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Re: Staying in Thailand or moving on?

Postby Rock » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:13 am

Falcon wrote:Rock:

1. I can't live with relatives anymore though, due to various family reasons.

2. I'm not a Taiwanese citizen and don't even have an Overseas Chinese certificate. However, since both of my parents are Taiwanese citizens, I am also eligible to apply for a Taiwanese passport, and then an ID card if I stay in Taiwan long enough.

3. Thais get to stay in Taiwan for 30 days visa-free now. I might also be able to move my family over to Taiwan, but then we're all gonna be foreigners there in an environment that I think they probably won't like to stay in long-term.

4. And is it really worth it to do it in Taiwan? Rent is more expensive in Taiwan, and in Chiang Mai, my rent is about $70 / month. In Taipei you're looking at maybe $300 / month for a tiny cramped room. Making 30k-40k baht is lower than 60k NT, but given the low rent and low cost of food at 30 baht per meal, I don't know if it's really worth that much to go off and work in Taiwan for that long. If I'm off for that long, I might as well go off and work anywhere in the world. Plus, Taiwan, except for Taipei, is not really the optimal environment for people like me or Winston either.


- Ok I didn't realize you can't stay w relatives like before. That sucks.

- Why was Winston able to get a passport so easily? Can you at least get a green card (APRC)?
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Re: Staying in Thailand or moving on?

Postby Falcon » Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:21 am

I was born in the US. Winston was born in Taiwan and moved to the US when he was 3. He has also spent way more time in Taiwan than I did. If you stay put in Taiwan for at least 1 year, then you can get a Taiwanese ID card after you have already applied for Taiwanese citizenship.

Once, I even got asked some questions by Taiwanese immigration after I flew back to Taiwan from the Philippines. It looked like a bit of a visa run, so they were asking me where I was living and what I was doing in Taiwan. Just a brief chit-chat and they weren't overly suspicious, but the fact that they even asked shows that even US citizens have to be a bit careful sometimes. So you have to be careful and say you're just visiting relatives if you don't have a work permit yet. As for as the Taiwanese government is concerned, I'm an American foreigner.
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Re: Staying in Thailand or moving on?

Postby Ghost » Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:56 am

Go wherever you are happiest and can do the most good. Life is too short to spend in miserable places. You're not going to be on your deathbed wishing you had spent more time in soul-killing America for a few extra bucks.
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Re: Staying in Thailand or moving on?

Postby yick » Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:55 pm

No-one has mentioned it (least of all Falcon, surprisingly enough) but what does your girlfriend want?

Does she see America as part of any wider future, for her you or her daughter?

Do you want your soon to be step daughter (I know you see her as your child now, but legally I mean) to take advantage of US citizenship? study at an American university, does your wife want to live there?

If I had a wife and she wanted to live in Europe - would I take her back to somewhere like Spain for a few years? I would, I would never take her back to the UK though, eurgh god no.

Now, if your girlfriend/soon to be wife has no interest, then what on earth are you pursuing it for?

You aren't going to make the wages in Thailand that you do in America? So what?

You have to buy more shit in America, more expensive too.

And you might not like teaching English or Chinese, but they are growth industries in Asia (still...) you aren't being made redundant anytime soon.

Up to you though - and of course, your family and what they want from it all as well, if they aren't pushing for it, why would you? Makes no sense to me. :|
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Re: Staying in Thailand or moving on?

Postby Falcon » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:13 am

yick wrote:No-one has mentioned it (least of all Falcon, surprisingly enough) but what does your girlfriend want?

Does she see America as part of any wider future, for her you or her daughter?

Do you want your soon to be step daughter (I know you see her as your child now, but legally I mean) to take advantage of US citizenship? study at an American university, does your wife want to live there?

If I had a wife and she wanted to live in Europe - would I take her back to somewhere like Spain for a few years? I would, I would never take her back to the UK though, eurgh god no.

Now, if your girlfriend/soon to be wife has no interest, then what on earth are you pursuing it for?

You aren't going to make the wages in Thailand that you do in America? So what?

You have to buy more shit in America, more expensive too.

And you might not like teaching English or Chinese, but they are growth industries in Asia (still...) you aren't being made redundant anytime soon.

Up to you though - and of course, your family and what they want from it all as well, if they aren't pushing for it, why would you? Makes no sense to me. :|


Both my girlfriend and daughter prefer to be in Thailand and are not interested in America. My GF says that Thailand has everything - good food, good weather, great friends, great schools, everything.

Going to work outside Thailand is my own idea. Saving up hundreds of thousands of dollars for retirement, and having a proper white-collar job in the US are goals that are inculcated into you especially if you were born into a typical upper-middle class Asian-American family.
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Re: Staying in Thailand or moving on?

Postby The_Adventurer » Sat Sep 17, 2016 5:39 am

You're only 25, man. You don't need to be worried about that stuff.

If you can make $1000 per month doing a specialised online business few people can do, then put in the time and research how to make it into $2000 per month, then $4000 per month etc. You are in a prime position where you don't need to be worried about making these gains overnight. Spend a few years to quadruple your income while still enjoying your life now.
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Re: Staying in Thailand or moving on?

Postby yick » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:21 am

Falcon wrote:
Both my girlfriend and daughter prefer to be in Thailand and are not interested in America. My GF says that Thailand has everything - good food, good weather, great friends, great schools, everything.


There you go, there's your answer.

Going to work outside Thailand is my own idea. Saving up hundreds of thousands of dollars for retirement, and having a proper white-collar job in the US are goals that are inculcated into you especially if you were born into a typical upper-middle class Asian-American family.


With all due respect - its a dumb idea.

You are going to uproot two people who are happy with their lives to a country - where they are going to be second class citizens.

That little girl you adore - you are just going to put her at an disadvantage by putting in an American school where she is going to be automatically be behind of her peers.

You read Winstons posts about his move to Palo Alto or wherever it was - he still hasn't got over it - whereas you are going to move a little girl away from everything she knows and her friends and family to get bullied and teased.

What happens when they hate America - they will be sticking their fingers in YOUR face YOU'LL be getting the blame - wether your intentions were good or not, it's not going to matter.

There was a reason you left America - don't be giving your little girl the neuroses you, Winston, Zboy, Chanta suffer from(that she is free from at the moment) by moving her and getting her educated in that racist shit pit - are you kidding me?
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Re: Staying in Thailand or moving on?

Postby Jonny Law » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:52 am

Dear Sackler-

2. Why the ever loving God do you have an older girlfriend? You are in f***ing Thailand. Keep her as a sidepiece
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1. Thailand is even more materialistic than American.
Younger women expect you to take care of them (expect you to pay $$ for them). Basically it is almost impossible to tell the difference between a normal Thai girl and a Thai prostitute.
Older Thai women are more likely to help pay for things on their own and take less of your money.

2. Older girlfriends are less Lesbian and less Feminist than younger Thai girls.


Thailand is great if you:
1. Are a faggot and/or Like ladyboys
2. Are an Asian lesbian
3. Love to whore monger for over priced whores who are not that great

There is hope. Thailand borders Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia. The women there are more traditional and decent.
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Re: Staying in Thailand or moving on?

Postby droid » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:21 am

The_Adventurer wrote:You're only 25, man. You don't need to be worried about that stuff.


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1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
2)Everybody is full of it. What's your hypocrisy?
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Re: Staying in Thailand or moving on?

Postby Falcon » Sat Sep 17, 2016 1:21 pm

yick wrote:You are going to uproot two people who are happy with their lives to a country - where they are going to be second class citizens.

That little girl you adore - you are just going to put her at an disadvantage by putting in an American school where she is going to be automatically be behind of her peers.

You read Winstons posts about his move to Palo Alto or wherever it was - he still hasn't got over it - whereas you are going to move a little girl away from everything she knows and her friends and family to get bullied and teased.

What happens when they hate America - they will be sticking their fingers in YOUR face YOU'LL be getting the blame - wether your intentions were good or not, it's not going to matter.

There was a reason you left America - don't be giving your little girl the neuroses you, Winston, Zboy, Chanta suffer from(that she is free from at the moment) by moving her and getting her educated in that racist shit pit - are you kidding me?


Oh yes, I've talked to them about life in America. How America has thieves and guns everywhere, very bad bullying in schools, lack of respect towards elders, and all sorts of social problems.

I showed them videos of high-speed car chases in LA, and they were shocked.

I told them how I was physically bullied and intimidated by kids in grades 1, 2, and 3. Slapped and called names by other bullying kids for no apparent reason. My GF simply couldn't get it and was shocked. In the US, kids aren't innocent, happy little critters like in Thailand or even in America a few decades ago. My little girl has super good friends and teachers and is very happy with her friends. I never had this kind of childhood, and I'm basically reliving a new, happier childhood with her now, to replace my previous miserable one.

I told them that in the US, theft is very common. I had 4 bicycles stolen within a few years even though I put huge steel U-locks on some of them. In Thailand, I can leave my bicycle unlocked outside for days without having it even being touched.
My old Toyota car had its hub caps stolen, windows smashed, and so on. Showed them photos of the huge steel brake locks I used, and their eyes were wide open. My Thai friends said that thieves generally aren't that interested in old cars in Thailand. You just don't see those in Thailand. These problems are very limited in Thailand.

Oh, and the gun shootouts that are aired every week on Los Angeles' TV channels.

Worth the few extra bucks? Maybe, maybe not.
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Re: Staying in Thailand or moving on?

Postby chanta76 » Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:48 pm

JohnnyLaw,

Correct me if I'm wrong than why are you in THailand?
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Re: Staying in Thailand or moving on?

Postby Guhji » Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:06 pm

Falcon, you were bullied as a kid? Did you also have a hard time scoring dates? How have Asian American women treated you?

I thought the younger generation of Asian guys had it better than my generation. Maybe I thought wrong.
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Re: Staying in Thailand or moving on?

Postby yick » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:05 am

Hi Falcon,

From what you tell us, you have a great life, your family there in Thailand has a great life, you're all happy - you are treated better and have adjusted better in Thailand than any other foreigner probably ever - so you are thinking of giving up a pretty perfect situation for what?

Your family are telling you they don't want it - they're right as well, they don't want to be FOB's - being treated like dirt by everyone - even by their own communities who just happened to have been born and raised there.

Now I have read about your childhood - why would you dump that on your stepdaughter? That's what she is going to get.

You're happy - be happy - stop thinking about shit too much - it's bad for you.

If you want to give your wife and daughter chances - then marry and adopt and get them US passports so they have opportunities in later years, your daughter can go to university or live there in the states but DON'T put her in the public school system there - my word - what would she have done in a previous fate to deserve that shitty life.

And I am sure there is a little 10 year old, blond haired, blue eyed Chad Thundercock only too happy to hear your thoughts about moving on over. What's the marry out percentage of Asian women in America - is it coming up to nearly 40% - I don't think you are moving on over so you can have pay for Chad Thundercocks wedding - oh well, you'll make up your own mind about this I am sure.
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Re: Staying in Thailand or moving on?

Postby Yohan » Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:21 am

Falcon wrote:.....I've talked to them about life in America. How America has thieves and guns everywhere, very bad bullying in schools, lack of respect towards elders, and all sorts of social problems.
I showed them videos of high-speed car chases in LA, and they were shocked.
I told them how I was physically bullied and intimidated by kids in grades 1, 2, and 3. Slapped and called names by other bullying kids for no apparent reason. My GF simply couldn't get it and was shocked. In the US, kids aren't innocent, happy little critters like in Thailand or even in America a few decades ago. My little girl has super good friends and teachers and is very happy with her friends. I never had this kind of childhood, and I'm basically reliving a new, happier childhood with her now, to replace my previous miserable one.
I told them that in the US, theft is very common. I had 4 bicycles stolen within a few years even though I put huge steel U-locks on some of them. In Thailand, I can leave my bicycle unlocked outside for days without having it even being touched.
My old Toyota car had its hub caps stolen, windows smashed, and so on. Showed them photos of the huge steel brake locks I used, and their eyes were wide open. My Thai friends said that thieves generally aren't that interested in old cars in Thailand. You just don't see those in Thailand. These problems are very limited in Thailand.
Oh, and the gun shootouts that are aired every week on Los Angeles' TV channels.
Worth the few extra bucks? Maybe, maybe not.


What you write here is not limited only to USA.

I had EXACTLY the same experiences while still living in Central Europe as a child and later on as a young man. Just terrible.

And yes, I also replace my previous miserable life with a better one here in Japan, with Thailand as our second home for me and my family members.

My opinion: Do not bring Far East or South East people into Northern America or into Western Europe, and about yourself, try to continue to stay in Asia.
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Re: Staying in Thailand or moving on?

Postby retiredfrank » Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:40 am

My usual advice is earn in the rich countries, like USA, spend in the poor countries, like Thailand. But your case might be different.

I would strongly advise against bringing a foreign woman to the USA. People can and do grow apart with time. A foreign woman married to you in the USA has you by the balls.

In the long run, money matters a lot. But it is not easy to accumulate money working as an employee. Wages in the USA are high, but so are expenses. Real security, for most people, comes from having skillset that is in demand, so that you are effectively a business, possibly just yourself with one client (employee situation), possibly with multiple clients and other workers under you (actually running a business). The skillset is what matters, and the most reliable skillset is one where there are high barriers to competition. Some sort of international business go-between, requiring understanding lots of cultures and languages and having lots of personal connections, for example. That is way more reliable in the long run than the latest computer skill which will be obsolete in a few years.

Ideally, you'd want rich organizations as your clients: multinationals, hedge funds, militaries, etc. Provide them with services or information no one else can provide.

Use language teaching as a way of developing personal connections with future leaders and getting insights into business opportunities.
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