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Postby globetrotter » Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:33 pm

TRADER1972 wrote:For fresh air and pure relaxation visit Baguio. My best times were there and its the place I would consider most likely to move to. I was just discussing that today. Also the weather is cooler and much more pleasant. I am not aware of whether bar girls exist there, though. You will see its different than Angeles, Olongopo, Pampanga.


Ding ding ding.

Yep.

Baguio City, Winston.
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Postby Jackal » Sun Apr 10, 2011 2:36 pm

Winston wrote:I am considering that too. I speak basic Chinese but am not fluent in it. Where in China should I go to?

I'm not an expert on China and I've never been there, but one place that looks interesting is the tropical Hainan Island.

http://www.transitionsabroad.com/public ... hina.shtml

There are some pictures here:
http://thebesttraveldestinations.com/ha ... and-china/
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Postby onezero4u » Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:40 pm

good luck in your search Winston.

like yourself, i heavily influenced by my surroundings & need a positive, clean and good vibe place to keep me satisfied.

if youre sensitive and cant adjusts your environment to suit you...its time to pack up and find your bliss elsewhere
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Postby Winston » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:07 pm

Terrence,
You've been to both the Philippines and China right? How would you compare and contrast them?
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Postby momopi » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:47 pm

Winston wrote:
Jackal wrote:Winston, have you ever thought about moving to China? You can speak Chinese, right?

It's big country, so you might find some part of it that you like. If you speak the language, that's a natural advantage for you.


I am considering that too. I speak basic Chinese but am not fluent in it. Where in China should I go to?



Try coastal areas of Fujian where they speak Hokkien. Quanzhou, Zhangzhou, Xiamen, etc.
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Postby ijohn » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:49 am

Every place has its benefits and its requirements. You can't have one without the other. I can't see any place on this earth where you would be completely comfortable for good.

If you want a place where everything is clean and everything works too, that kind of culture has certain requirements. People will work hard and be competitive. If you want laid back people, what kind of towns and cities are laid back people going to create? They are not going to be very efficient.

You can't have both.

What it does sound like though is that you have reached the end of a phase of life, the finishing of the happier abroad project? Does that make sense? You had a goal which gave you a raison-de-etre for living. And you succeeded. You left America, found your way to the Philipines and found yourself what you wanted. You got a girl, and you have a family too right? One or two kids? Then you are done. You did it. You left the pain of America and got what you wanted. It is done.

Along the way you set up your happier abroad project, documented all of this and you did everyone a good service offering hope and advice to others.

When people feel a place as home they start complaining about it. That you are complaining about the Philippines does suggest that it is home now, your reality. And so you will have to deal with the requirements of this reality. So it is done then your happier abroad project. You have completed it. The pain of America has been replaced by the pain of the Philippines. Now analysis of the pain of America will feel less and less relevant. You will be more and more concerned with the pain of the Philippines.

So now that the old raison-de-etre is gone you have to find a new one. You could of course swap the pain of the Philippines for the pain of another country. Then you could start a happier abroad for Philippinos?

In terms of ideal communities and places here is an interesting story. People may have heard of Ram Dass the sixties fellow. There is a documentary out on his life (it is remarkable how these people manage to keep themselves in the limelight). Ram Dass was once Richard Alpert. He was from a very wealthy family in Boston, made a Phd in psychology became a harvard professor. Then he started experimenting with mood altering substances, got kicked out of Harvard went to India, had some epiphanies and because a guru or sorts.

Somewhere during it all he ends up living in a community hippie house somewhere in Maine. This is a very nice hippie house (it is easy to be a rich hippie) and it is a party house, full of intellectuals artists and musicians, with furious discussions about the meaning of things, all kinds of free thinking and experimentation, great parties every night all the lusty hippie girls you can want and more. Sounds like heaven right? Well he says that after a while they began to hate each other.

That last part, getting fed up of the people you are with is human nature unfortunately.
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Postby The_Adventurer » Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:19 am

Winston wrote:Terrence,
You've been to both the Philippines and China right? How would you compare and contrast them?


I didn't have time to write about this yesterday, so I will try today, and hope I finish before my girlfriend finishes preparing lunch and makes me clear out my computer. :)

I don't share ijonh's negative assessment of things or see this as the end of Happier abroad. I see this as simply a matter of arranging priorities to fit your desired life style. Here is what I have learned thinking about comparing Philippines with China.

If you want to live the high life, meaning average western style, middle class, it is expensive just about anywhere. I find it to be a lot more expensive in Philippines that other places like China or even Korea. One reason for that is Philippines has a range from squatter areas up to nice penthouse condos. In China or Korea, the range is a lot smaller.

In Cebu city I lived in a nice tower apartment, mostly western style, but still local construction standards, and no central air. It cost about 20,000 peso per month or $400 at the time. My apartment in Shanghai is about the same, but slightly less, around $380 or so, but quality is so far out of the league of anything I've seen available in Philippines that I think it is actually cheaper her. Of course Shanghai has places that go up into the several thousand dollars per month also, so it depends on what you're looking for.

Here the real issue. As you move towards more local lifestyle, the prices naturally drop. The thing is, in China they drop a lot lower than in Philippines, but the quality still beats even my expensive tower apartment in Cebu. In Cavite city, I lived in a very simple apartment. It was 2 bedroom, no central air, very local standards, but certainly very livable. It cost about 7000 peso per month. Maybe $140 or so. Of course everything broke just about every other month too. In Henan province, in China, my friends had a huge 3 bedroom place. The quality was still up to western standards, only lacking central air. It beat my tower apartment in Cebu, which also lacked central air, by miles in quality. It cost about $180 a month. Aside from not having an elevator to get to the seventh floor, meaning you had to take the stairs every time, it was better than the place I paid $1000 a month for in L.A.!!

That is still not the cheapest place I have seen in China. In Fujian, in the smaller cities like Fuzhou, I noticed that even the so-called poor areas still were clean and had decent looking construction. There weren't people peeing everywhere. NO chickens walking around making noise or street dogs or noisy motorbikes. Seems many ride electric scooters here or use normal pedal bicycles.

Basically you can live a much higher quality of life on the same income in China versus the Philippines. China has so many varieties of foods that you could go for a year and never eat the same thing twice. Food is cheap. EVen in shanghai you can find places where you can eat a lot for a $1. In other cities, it's the norm not the exception.

Now, for those who want all the girls and nightlife, that seems to be expensive here, and there's not as much of it, at least available to foreigners. I haven't been into that scene for years now, but I have heard stories from other folks I talked to and read on the net. Even the filipinas here charge an arm and a leg for short time. There are only a few places that cater to foreigners and the girl to customer ratio seems skewed heavily on the customer side, which means the girls are ridden hard. In the Phils you can easily find bargirls who haven't had a customer for weeks or even months during low seasons, but in China you can expect that every girl services several guys every single day. The cost is also 5X or more what you pay in the Philippines. Even if you go to cheaper cities, being a foreigner, you will still be expected to pay big, even if the local guy in front of you walked out having payed only 200 yuan, or 1500 peso. The foreigner will probably be expected to pay 1000 yuan, or 7000 peso or so.

Normal nightlife, like non P4P stuff, is also expensive in Shanghai but it is awesome anything I found in Philippines. Awesome Jazz bars with real fat black women singing in there and everything! You can find anything as far as food, live music and entertainment, but the price approaches western prices.

The other big hurdle in China is the visa issues. I almost went to jail and payed through the nose to fix my problems in that arena. Now that it is all fixed, though, I am set here for a very long time. Still, you have to overcome that, which may mean you will need a real job, or at least a company willing to sponsor you as though you have one. This would be my biggest problem if I were to stay here and do only my internet business. Of course, if one is willing to marry here, that is no longer a problem.

My conclusion is that, on a budget, you get more out of China, except in the P4P department, if that is your thing. People are not as warm and friendly as the Phils, especially in BSG. In the smaller parts of China, though, I'd say they are neck and neck. Remember, China is HUGE, almost as big as the US in land size. There is somewhere you can find the climate, look, and living style you like and you can do it on a budget. I don't see myself returning to the Philippines personally. There are a couple of things I miss, but far too many things I don't miss. Overall, I feel like China has more to offer. I have yet to see a dirty, urine smelling, chicken filled city, and I have traveled up and down this country visiting both big and small, rich and poor areas. Being hear has made me consider dropping my older goal of finding a life in Japan. (of course recent events there add to that) If I am to be happier abroad, I think right here in China, though probably not in Shanghai, is where I will do it.
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Postby keius » Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:42 am

FYI, since you're ethnic Chinese, just speak Chinese. Even if it's off a bit, they'll assume your a immigrant from another province. You'll still pay the local rates for entertainment. 200 yuan sounds about right. That's usually on top of the house fee though, which i recall being around 50 yuan for the massage *cough*. Even if they know your an ABC, as long as your ethnic Chinese, they shouldn't overcharge you.

Visa issues are a real bitch like Terrance said. Without a long term visa, it was a pain going in to Hong Kong every now and then to get it renewed.

And yes, China offers much more diverse options than the PHI.

Buying property in China is expensive. Property values have skyrocketed. Perversely, rental rates have pretty much stayed stable. Renting is the way to go and is relatively very cheap.

Something you should know though, if you are overweight, like you are, people will tend to look at you funky. China is like the opposite of America, where the norm is being skinny. I almost never saw anyone under 40ish who was what i'd consider overweight. I was close to 140 lbs and 5'6 when i was in China. The number of times people called me fat.....
Get the idea?

I don't think Terrance mentioned that the girls in China are alot more attractive than the ones in Angeles City. Quality can vary of course, but in general, that's what i'd say based on my own tastes. I've seen alot of the Youtube/video blogs of AC.
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Postby Winston » Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:35 pm

From what Terrence said, it sounds like I might be a better fit in China. Plus since I'm Taiwanese, I share the same ancestral genes with them, which would give me more of a natural kinship with them.

Terrence, I don't think you have to spend a lot of money just to live in a place that's not filthy. Asking for a place to be clean is not a lot to ask for. Angeles is just way too filthy and awful to endure, and it makes me cough a lot. For some reason, when I smell something bad or see something gross, it makes me cough. Is that normal? Why do I do that?

So what's a place that is fairly clean and has approachable girls?

Yeah I've got to lose some weight. But it's so hard. I can't seem to get the weight off no matter what I do. It's frustrating.
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Postby Jackal » Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:18 pm

Winston wrote:Yeah I've got to lose some weight. But it's so hard. I can't seem to get the weight off no matter what I do. It's frustrating.

Have you ever tried counting your calories? If you're not counting how many calories you're eating in a day, you're just guessing. There is some number of calories that is exactly what you need to maintain weight. If you go below that, you will lose weight. If you go over that, you gain weight. There are many websites online now where you can look up the nutritional information for the foods you eat.

Have you ever tried doing intense cardio 6 days a week? That would make most people lose fat.

Here are some great no-nonsense fat-loss tips which written by an expert trainer:
http://www.fitsense.co.uk/fit_article.php?id=53

But I think the main thing is that you have to be willing to suffer a bit if you want to lose a lot of weight. If you avoid suffering at all costs, you'll never do it. You need to reframe your thinking so that you view the suffering positively (i.e. "This is helping me reach my weight-loss goals.").
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Postby Winston » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:42 pm

Something I don't get. Why do any regular local families live in Angeles City? I mean, they don't go to the bars, so why would they put up with all that nasty toxic pollution around them, and complete lack of nice places to walk with fresh air? Who would stay and endure that? It seems insane, like suicide, to want to stay long term in such an area, unless you are some rapid bar-goer. I don't get it. If I were a regular local in Angeles, I'd be dying to get out.
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Postby The_Adventurer » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:48 pm

Winston wrote:Terrence, I don't think you have to spend a lot of money just to live in a place that's not filthy. Asking for a place to be clean is not a lot to ask for.


My room was fine. We kept it nice and clean. It was the neighborhood. Nothing we can do about chickens, street dogs and urine.

Winston wrote:So what's a place that is fairly clean and has approachable girls?


I often hear a lot about Sichuan. Everyone seems to think they have the best, sweetest girls. Things seemed pretty good in Fujian too and I heard some promising stories.
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Postby Mr S » Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:39 pm

As I mentioned to you before through text you may enjoy living in the Negros Occidental area which the main city is Bacolod:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negros_Occidental_province
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacolod_City
http://www.bacolodcity.gov.ph/

Or Negros Oriental which has the main city of Dumaguete and the nearby island of Siquijor:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negros_Oriental
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumaguete_City
http://www.godumaguete.com/
http://dumaguetecity.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siquijor
http://www.mysiquijor.com/home.html

Siquijor is supposed to be one of the areas where traditional shamans and witches still practice so it is very different from the typical Catholic parts of the country.

I've been to Bacolod and it's okay. I've requested to go back there in July, I may go and take a trip to Dumaguete and Siquijor to check them out if I have time. Like I said before bitchin about wanting to move from AC is one thing, actually getting up and doing something about it is another. You gotta explore the islands and find the city that speaks to you. There is only so much research and advice from others you can use before making a decision to just go for it and explore!

IF you want to arrange going down to Bacolod with me in July let me know. It'll be sometime around the 6th of July, so plenty of time to think about it and act...
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Postby gits » Sat Apr 23, 2011 4:56 pm

I was in Boracay for a week. It's also expensive, but I think you should find someplace similar....
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Postby Winston » Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:00 am

Check out what someone suggested to me by email:

Go to Amsterdam. Smoke a shitload of weed. Get laid by the "Working Girls" and write a brilliant peice on your sinful misadventures. Then come home to a jealous young wife and write an article on how evil and possesive all women of the human species are. Then move your hot little Asian ass to Thailand and have fun-and write about it. THEN decide what to do. That is how I would do things if I were the notorious Wu. ;-)
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