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The Plight of Young, Black Men Is Worse Than You Think

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The Plight of Young, Black Men Is Worse Than You Think

Postby zboy1 » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:30 am

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... qus_thread

The U.S. has the highest incarceration rate of any wealthy nation, with about 2.3 million people behind bars at any given moment. (That’s 730 out of 100,000, vs. just 154 for England and Wales.) There are more people in U.S. prisons than are in the country’s active-duty military. That much is well known. What’s less known is that people who are incarcerated are excluded from most surveys by U.S. statistical agencies. Since young, black men are disproportionately likely to be in jail or prison, the exclusion of penal institutions from the statistics makes the jobs situation of young, black men look better than it really is.

That’s the point of a new book, Invisible Men: Mass Incarceration and the Myth of Black Progress, by Becky Pettit, a professor of sociology at the University of Washington. Pettit spoke on Thursday in a telephone press conference.

On the day Barack Obama was inaugurated in 2009, Pettit said, “there was hope that perhaps the U.S. was becoming a post-racial society.â€￾ But it wasn’t true then, and it’s not true now. The gap between blacks and whites remains wide in employment, income, wealth, and health. And as Bloomberg’s David J. Lynch reported earlier this month: “The nation’s first African-American president hasn’t done much for African-Americans.â€￾

The unemployment rate and the employment-to-population ratio reported by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics are based on a survey of households—people “who are not inmates of institutions (for example, penal and mental facilities and homes for the aged) and who are not on active duty in the Armed Forces.â€￾

The reported figures are bad enough. The employment/population ratio for black males aged 16-24 was 33 percent in August, vs. 52 percent for white males of the same age group. But the black number is skewed upward by the exclusion of jail and prison inmates. The white number is also skewed upward, but less so because a smaller share of young white males are incarcerated.

“We’ve developed a distorted ideaâ€￾ of how young, black men are faring, Pettit told reporters on the call, which was hosted by the book’s publisher, the Russell Sage Foundation. The BLS methodology didn’t begin to distort the statistics until the mid-1970s, when the incarceration boom began.

I asked Pettit how this problem can be solved. The first thing she recommended was doing more to help young, black men get an education, since there is a strong link between failure in school and a life of crime and imprisonment.

A further idea is to reduce the penalties for nonviolent drug crimes, recommended another academic on the call, Ernest Drucker, who is a scholar in residence and senior research associate at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and adjunct professor of epidemiology at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. Imprisoning people for drug offenses can damage their ability to earn a living for the rest of their lives, dooming them to a life of poverty and recidivism, said Drucker, author of A Plague of Prisons.

Inimai Chettiar, the third speaker on the conference call, would go a step further and decriminalize acts like “turnstile jumpingâ€￾—i.e., getting into the subway system without paying. Chettiar is director of the Justice Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.

The popular “broken windowsâ€￾ theory of policing says that cracking down hard on minor crimes creates an atmosphere of law and order that helps prevent more serious crimes like robbery, rape, and murder. So Chettiar and others are fighting an uphill battle with their decriminalization argument.

There’s no question, though, that the plight of young, black men is even worse than the statistics generally show.
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Re: The Plight of Young, Black Men Is Worse Than You Think

Postby All_That_Is_Man » Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:19 am

zboy1 wrote:http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-09-28/the-plight-of-young-black-men-is-worse-than-you-think#disqus_thread

The U.S. has the highest incarceration rate of any wealthy nation, with about 2.3 million people behind bars at any given moment. (That’s 730 out of 100,000, vs. just 154 for England and Wales.) There are more people in U.S. prisons than are in the country’s active-duty military. That much is well known. What’s less known is that people who are incarcerated are excluded from most surveys by U.S. statistical agencies. Since young, black men are disproportionately likely to be in jail or prison, the exclusion of penal institutions from the statistics makes the jobs situation of young, black men look better than it really is.

That’s the point of a new book, Invisible Men: Mass Incarceration and the Myth of Black Progress, by Becky Pettit, a professor of sociology at the University of Washington. Pettit spoke on Thursday in a telephone press conference.

On the day Barack Obama was inaugurated in 2009, Pettit said, “there was hope that perhaps the U.S. was becoming a post-racial society.â€￾ But it wasn’t true then, and it’s not true now. The gap between blacks and whites remains wide in employment, income, wealth, and health. And as Bloomberg’s David J. Lynch reported earlier this month: “The nation’s first African-American president hasn’t done much for African-Americans.â€￾

The unemployment rate and the employment-to-population ratio reported by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics are based on a survey of households—people “who are not inmates of institutions (for example, penal and mental facilities and homes for the aged) and who are not on active duty in the Armed Forces.â€￾

The reported figures are bad enough. The employment/population ratio for black males aged 16-24 was 33 percent in August, vs. 52 percent for white males of the same age group. But the black number is skewed upward by the exclusion of jail and prison inmates. The white number is also skewed upward, but less so because a smaller share of young white males are incarcerated.

“We’ve developed a distorted ideaâ€￾ of how young, black men are faring, Pettit told reporters on the call, which was hosted by the book’s publisher, the Russell Sage Foundation. The BLS methodology didn’t begin to distort the statistics until the mid-1970s, when the incarceration boom began.

I asked Pettit how this problem can be solved. The first thing she recommended was doing more to help young, black men get an education, since there is a strong link between failure in school and a life of crime and imprisonment.

A further idea is to reduce the penalties for nonviolent drug crimes, recommended another academic on the call, Ernest Drucker, who is a scholar in residence and senior research associate at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and adjunct professor of epidemiology at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. Imprisoning people for drug offenses can damage their ability to earn a living for the rest of their lives, dooming them to a life of poverty and recidivism, said Drucker, author of A Plague of Prisons.

Inimai Chettiar, the third speaker on the conference call, would go a step further and decriminalize acts like “turnstile jumpingâ€￾—i.e., getting into the subway system without paying. Chettiar is director of the Justice Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.

The popular “broken windowsâ€￾ theory of policing says that cracking down hard on minor crimes creates an atmosphere of law and order that helps prevent more serious crimes like robbery, rape, and murder. So Chettiar and others are fighting an uphill battle with their decriminalization argument.

There’s no question, though, that the plight of young, black men is even worse than the statistics generally show.


The first rule of red pillers: STOP GETTING YOUR INFORMATION FROM BOOKS WRITTEN BY WOMEN.
That entire article felt like some tasteless advertisement for the author to sell copies of her sh:tty book.
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Postby ChosenTraveler » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:54 am

Though the book was written from a woman and we all know women are hardly the most reliable source of information, young black men are in danger in this society. Whereas most young men of non-black backgrounds have a leverage, young black men are targeted from the day they're born, positioned in one maze or another as if they're a lab rat.

Did I expect for Obama to change this? No. Obama is simply the new face of Global White Supremacy and has done more to recolonize Africa than any of his predecessors. He's barely an example of progress.

The young, astute, positive black man encounters three main adversaries in his lifetime:

- White Men who are jealous of a black man's position, academic standing or success in once exclusionary fields. These are among the most dangerous as white men are reverting to their grandfather's roles as slavemasters more and more( this is their self-preservationist philosophy returning, hence their paranoia that they're the most targeted group).

- The Black Woman who's so infected with feminism, that her once feminine, submissive ways have been replaced by man hating, self-expressed independence. Her superficiality and inability to breed with righteous men has inhibited generations from progress in the Black community. She is the ultimate pawn of white men in the Black man, and Black families destruction.

-The Eurocentric system that was designed by homosexual European men( you would call them "forefathers") to impede the ability of Black men to function fully in the Western World.

America is adept at removing a fish from water then blaming the fish for its own death.
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Re: The Plight of Young, Black Men Is Worse Than You Think

Postby NorthAmericanguy » Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:32 pm

All_That_Is_Man wrote:The first rule of red pillers: STOP GETTING YOUR INFORMATION FROM BOOKS WRITTEN BY WOMEN.
That entire article felt like some tasteless advertisement for the author to sell copies of her sh:tty book.



Not all books written by women are garbage. Esther Vilar, the author of The Manipulated Man is heavily respected in the MGTOW/Men's rights movement.


As far as the book, Invisible Men, listed in the article that zboy posted, I have not read it, but it seems like a good book to me.

"The book (Invisible Men) shows that more than a half century after the first civil rights legislation, the dismal fact of mass incarceration inflicts widespread and enduring damage by undermining the fair allocation of public resources and political representation, by depriving the children of inmates of their parents' economic and emotional participation, and, ultimately, by concealing African American disadvantage from public view."

https://www.russellsage.org/publications/invisible-men
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Postby NorthAmericanguy » Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:45 pm

ChosenTraveler wrote: young black men are in danger in this society


KRS1 sums up everything in this short clip:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq_-5MVlgFU[/youtube]





At the end of the day, American Black men need to start taking responsibility for themselves, and their communities. Blaming other races does nothing to solve the problem.
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Postby Teal Lantern » Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:09 am

NorthAmericanguy wrote:
ChosenTraveler wrote: young black men are in danger in this society


KRS1 sums up everything in this short clip:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq_-5MVlgFU[/youtube]

At the end of the day, American Black men need to start taking responsibility for themselves, and their communities. Blaming other races does nothing to solve the problem.


Guys like KRS-ONE are hard-pressed to get a hearing of their views, today. The stations that happily play Ross, Wayne, etc. all day (even if they have to censor every third word) aren't trying to put on tracks like BDP's "You Must Learn" or PE's "Hazy Shade of Criminal".
I doubt tracks like those would even be released by a major label, today.
CNN even ran a piece critical of Bomani's "Read a Book" calling it offensive. :roll:

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Postby Cornfed » Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:05 am

I would think both black men and women have it made in the US. All they need to do is speak a dialect of English, read and write at a somewhat adult level and avoid getting caught committing any major felonies and they are guaranteed a scholarship, bullshit degree and subsequent do-nothing office job. It is just that most of them are too stupid and worthless to meet even the feeble demands placed upon them.
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Postby All_That_Is_Man » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:51 pm

Cornfed wrote:I would think both black men and women have it made in the US. All they need to do is speak a dialect of English, read and write at a somewhat adult level and avoid getting caught committing any major felonies and they are guaranteed a scholarship, bullshit degree and subsequent do-nothing office job. It is just that most of them are too stupid and worthless to meet even the feeble demands placed upon them.


You just summed up black women there.
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Postby ChosenTraveler » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:30 am

To add, I would contend that among the greatest problems facing Black men in America is that they're bred against their best interests. Biologically, Black men are used to a lifestyle that once changed by this Western plain has made it difficult to recover.

Example, in our ancient lands, Black men practiced polygamy, and enjoyed prosperous societies off the laurels of this lifestyle, yet European power interests mandated the monogamy concept. Black men are collectivist, meaning that one achievement inspires the calling of many to act. European social powers rely on capitalism which denotes that there must be competition/ murder in order for there to progress.

Lastly, our ancient lands taught us different spiritual systems. Black men weren't religious, they had vibration, which meant that the mystery schools were awakening to higher forms of knowledge. European power interests distorted the mystery schools of Kemet and gave us fractured forms of Christianity,Islam and Judaism. Indeed, the intellectual black man would make the most fitting exapt, for his home has never been these Western shores, bred from violence, corruption and European pedophilia.
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Postby Dragon » Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:33 am

ChosenTraveler wrote:To add, I would contend that among the greatest problems facing Black men in America is that they're bred against their best interests. Biologically, Black men are used to a lifestyle that once changed by this Western plain has made it difficult to recover.

Example, in our ancient lands, Black men practiced polygamy, and enjoyed prosperous societies off the laurels of this lifestyle, yet European power interests mandated the monogamy concept. Black men are collectivist, meaning that one achievement inspires the calling of many to act. European social powers rely on capitalism which denotes that there must be competition/ murder in order for there to progress.

Lastly, our ancient lands taught us different spiritual systems. Black men weren't religious, they had vibration, which meant that the mystery schools were awakening to higher forms of knowledge. European power interests distorted the mystery schools of Kemet and gave us fractured forms of Christianity,Islam and Judaism. Indeed, the intellectual black man would make the most fitting exapt, for his home has never been these Western shores, bred from violence, corruption and European pedophilia.


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Postby ChosenTraveler » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:10 pm

Dragon wrote:
ChosenTraveler wrote:To add, I would contend that among the greatest problems facing Black men in America is that they're bred against their best interests. Biologically, Black men are used to a lifestyle that once changed by this Western plain has made it difficult to recover.

Example, in our ancient lands, Black men practiced polygamy, and enjoyed prosperous societies off the laurels of this lifestyle, yet European power interests mandated the monogamy concept. Black men are collectivist, meaning that one achievement inspires the calling of many to act. European social powers rely on capitalism which denotes that there must be competition/ murder in order for there to progress.

Lastly, our ancient lands taught us different spiritual systems. Black men weren't religious, they had vibration, which meant that the mystery schools were awakening to higher forms of knowledge. European power interests distorted the mystery schools of Kemet and gave us fractured forms of Christianity,Islam and Judaism. Indeed, the intellectual black man would make the most fitting exapt, for his home has never been these Western shores, bred from violence, corruption and European pedophilia.


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What was misunderstood about what I said? America( originally Moorish territory), has distorted the progress of the collective of Black men. We had our own systems, our own nations and our own spiritual systems, until we were brought to this country and "westernized".


The Westernization of Black men has led to the decline in our vibration( levels of understanding/ability in ancient Kemet).
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Postby Jester » Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:13 am

ChosenTraveler wrote:

America( originally Moorish territory),


You're referring to the Melungeons I guess? It's hard to see how one boat-full of shipwrecked sailors can claim a continent.

This doesn't negate your larger point, I just hate to see guys here reaching for extreme or dubious references. When you're right, you shouldn't have to do that.
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Postby Jester » Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:15 am

All_That_Is_Man wrote:
Cornfed wrote:I would think both black men and women have it made in the US. All they need to do is speak a dialect of English, read and write at a somewhat adult level and avoid getting caught committing any major felonies and they are guaranteed a scholarship, bullshit degree and subsequent do-nothing office job. It is just that most of them are too stupid and worthless to meet even the feeble demands placed upon them.


You just summed up black women there.

So true.
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