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Useless American College Degrees

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Useless American College Degrees

Postby Taco » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:22 pm

If you want an exciting career working in customer service you'll need an American college degree.

Useless American College Degrees
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXpwAOHJsxg
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Postby marklambo » Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:02 am

Degrees are overrated. I never went to college and I make more money now than most people with master's degrees, phds, doctors, lawyers, etc. Rich dad Poor dad is a good book to read and a solid explanation that it's not just about book smarts. There are many ways to make a solid living. You just have to be creative. Being smart and successful is not about the degree you have.
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Re: Useless American College Degrees

Postby momopi » Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:02 am

We're hiring CSR's, no college degree required! However you must be fluent bilingual in English and one of the following languages: Finnish, Dutch, Norwegian, Mandarin, & Swedish.

By bilingual, I mean you must be able to speak, read, write, and computer input in English and one of the other languages on the list. You'll be expected to provide bilingual customer support services as well as translations for our web sites. There are also opportunities for travel work assignments & serving as translator for our sales & senior staff.

If anyone is interested, PM me -- we're in Orange County, California.
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Re: Useless American College Degrees

Postby Jester » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:38 am

Taco wrote:If you want an exciting career working in customer service you'll need an American college degree.

Useless American College Degrees
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXpwAOHJsxg


Thanks for posting. God bless Peter Schiff.

I have tried to make this point to teens and moms but it is like I am talking gibberish, their eyes glaze over.
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Re: Useless American College Degrees

Postby marklambo » Wed Nov 14, 2012 10:24 am

Jester wrote:
Taco wrote:If you want an exciting career working in customer service you'll need an American college degree.

Useless American College Degrees
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXpwAOHJsxg


Thanks for posting. God bless Peter Schiff.

I have tried to make this point to teens and moms but it is like I am talking gibberish, their eyes glaze over.


Society says that everyone should go to school (acquire loads of student loan debts at the same time), get a degree, get a job (if you can find something that actually correlates with your degree) and live the "American Nightmare" , oops, I mean the "American Dream"
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Postby ladislav » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:00 am

Maybe they are making more money doing the bar tending. Some bartenders and waiters can make 60K a year in some establishments. And those trycicle drivers taking people around can also make pretty good money. And any job that has to do with go go dancing and sleazy bars is also a well paid job- a go go dancer makes great money with tips and all.

I do not regret having gone to college at all. They were warning me back in my college days how difficult it would be to find work but I did.
I do not know how much time these people devote to looking for work in their chosen fields daily and how much they are willing to relocate.

Most of them look like they enjoy being in the fun environment with drinking and partying and alcohol and go go bars. If I were a college graduate in my 20ies and in the New Orleans red light district, I would not mind getting a bar tending job for a couple of months either.
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Postby xiongmao » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:32 am

I went to Uni - twice! I don't regret doing my PhD, it was a great time in my life.

On the other hand since graduating I've worked as a software developer, and I'm completely 100% self taught in that.
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Postby ladislav » Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:38 pm

marklambo wrote:Degrees are overrated. I never went to college and I make more money now than most people with master's degrees, phds, doctors, lawyers, etc. Rich dad Poor dad is a good book to read and a solid explanation that it's not just about book smarts. There are many ways to make a solid living. You just have to be creative. Being smart and successful is not about the degree you have.


Good for you. If it were so easy to have a business without a degree and make great money as you are making, no one would be going to medical schools or law schools. Some people like yourself succeed. Most do not.

What you did is possible but cannot be achieved by all people. I had many solid business plans and it seemed that they would work but they did not. Years were wasted. Good thing at that time I had a college degree so I got jobs that paid my bills and allowed me to live a life.

Even in the US the overwhelming majority of businesses fail and the reason cannot be attributed to the owner of the business alone. There are things like market conditions which can change, restrictive laws of all kinds, circumstances beyond one's control. One can of course keep trying and trying and trying but what do you do while you are trying to succeed at something else? You need to buy food and pay rent/mortgage, etc. This is when college degrees come in handy.

If you want to teach ESL overseas and see the world, the embassies will not issue you a work visa without a college degree. I could not have gone to Saudi and Kuwait without one. Cushy jobs with 70 day paid vacations in Oman will not be given to you without a degree.

Doctors, nurses and teachers must have degrees. Same with lawyers and engineers.

If it were so easy to have a business without a degree and make great money as you are making, no one would be going to medical schools or law schools. Some people like yourself succeed. Most do not.

For every successful enterpreneur, there are 100 losers which try and try and try but no no avail.

There is talk that Rich Dad Poor Dad is nothing new- just lots of rehashed ideas. And again, some people succeed in real estate, and some do not. In 2008 my mother lost about one million in equity after the crash.

Some 15 years of living frugally and paying off mortgage to accumulate equity resulted in negative equity. Who is at fault? The bankers; not my mother.

I say- yes to a college degree in a field in which there are many jobs. And also, when you look for a job, you need to send out at least 1000 resumes.
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Postby Disillusioned_American » Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:31 pm

For me, college was a psychologically damaging experience, since it was a stark introduction to just how cold, unapproachable, and narcissistic the women in the US can be. It was hard for me to remain focused on my academic and career goals when I felt so lonely at the time, and didn't have what I felt was a "normal" social life. I wish that websites such as Happier Abroad and Global Dating Solution existed back then; that way I would have been encouraged to ignore those whores, and at least had something better to look forward to in the future, by leaving this sh*thole country after finishing college.

I would like to continue my education further, and enhance my earning capability, but I refuse to return to college in the US; most school curriculums have gone to sh*t anyhow.

I wonder how hard it would be to gain acceptance into a college/university overseas (as well as the necessary residency visa), such as that one in Kyrgyzstan that Odbo showed that video from. I feel that it would be much easier to focus in a more serious academic environment like that one. American colleges are garbage, in my experience.
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Re: Useless American College Degrees

Postby Jester » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:16 pm

marklambo wrote:
Society says that everyone should go to school (acquire loads of student loan debts at the same time), get a degree, get a job (if you can find something that actually correlates with your degree) and live the "American Nightmare" , oops, I mean the "American Dream"


Right.

This is an ADDITIONAL problem. Even if you CAN find a job that pays the debt... now you HAVE to do so, RIGHT AWAY, because of the debt burden.

No travel,
no period of apprenticeship in a craft you love,
no time working for your dad and learning his business...

...and for the girls, no being full-time wife and mom..
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Postby Ginger » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:30 pm

In here you need at least 2 years in college to work as a fastfood crew at McDonald's. You need a college degree to work as a messenger/runner. In here if you graduate with a nursing degree, good luck finding a job answering calls, you'd earn more waiting tables compared to working at the hospital under deplorable conditions.

Conditions are so bad in the job market here to the point that teachers choose to work as maids and domestic helpers overseas, because those jobs pay at least 3x more than what they can get with their degree here. I know someone with an engineering degree working as a janitor. Imagine that.

So I say US is still a lot better :P
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Postby Jester » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:38 pm

ladislav wrote:If you want to teach ESL overseas and see the world, the embassies will not issue you a work visa without a college degree. I could not have gone to Saudi and Kuwait without one. Cushy jobs with 70 day paid vacations in Oman will not be given to you without a degree.

I say- yes to a college degree in a field in which there are many jobs. And also, when you look for a job, you need to send out at least 1000 resumes.


The resumes is good practical advice.

But you shouldn't have to.

Having to work in Oman to make a good living is hardly a recommendation for 4 years of foregone income and a massive debt.

One DOES need credentials and skills. A certified welder or welding inspector is in demand in many places. Certified translators and court recorders make huge money here in the Los Angeles. So do energy healers, acupuncturists, etc. Paralegals can do okay too.

It's true that college degree is required in most countries to enter and get work. But in this case, the college degree would be cheaper, and you would learn more, at an overseas college.
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Postby Jester » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:47 pm

Disillusioned_American wrote:For me, college was a psychologically damaging experience, since it was a stark introduction to just how cold, unapproachable, and narcissistic the women in the US can be. It was hard for me to remain focused on my academic and career goals when I felt so lonely at the time, and didn't have what I felt was a "normal" social life. I wish that websites such as Happier Abroad and Global Dating Solution existed back then; that way I would have been encouraged to ignore those whores, and at least had something better to look forward to in the future, by leaving this sh*thole country after finishing college.

Big public colleges are hellish places for most guys. Ivy Leagues suck too, unless you are a jock AND socially dominant.

Claremont is a great place for everyone who goes there (Harvey-Mudd next-door for engineers). And there are other small private colleges here and there where there is social acceptance, good academics, decent life. Some have big endowments and will give a good candidate a free ride. Obviously not everyone can get in or get the fre ride.

Disillusioned_American wrote:I would like to continue my education further, and enhance my earning capability, but I refuse to return to college in the US; most school curriculums have gone to sh*t anyhow.

I wonder how hard it would be to gain acceptance into a college/university overseas (as well as the necessary residency visa), such as that one in Kyrgyzstan that Odbo showed that video from. I feel that it would be much easier to focus in a more serious academic environment like that one. American colleges are garbage, in my experience.


Overseas would be a great place to finish. Pick a country you like, you will never have to leave.
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Postby jamesbond » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:18 pm

College is a complete waste of time (unless you major in a high tech field but even then you need to have work experience). Most people major in liberal arts (like I did) and those degrees are not worth the paper they are written on.

My roommate from college went on to get his masters degree in business management. He graduated on the honor roll and it took him over a year to find a job making $12 an hour! :shock:

Colleges are in business to make money, so they need people enrolling in school. What college students don't realize is that without work experience, your college degree will probably be absolutely worthless! :shock:

Check out this great documentary about "The college conspiracy."

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