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Liberty Is Making the World Richer. You're Included.

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Postby Teal Lantern » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:01 am

A popular snark is "Most of you guys will never get on a plane .... derp ... derp ... derp ..."

Maybe you won't need to ...
Liberty Is Making the World Richer. You're Included.
http://www.garynorth.com/public/10615print.cfm

Maybe you just need to "load up the truck ..." :wink:
Tax Maps
http://taxfoundation.org/maps
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Postby abcdavid01 » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:05 pm

Thanks for this Teal Lantern. It's what I keep saying on these forums. I'm somewhat less optimistic about America and Canada, but he does make the point that it is not our public education that's any good. Withdrawal for us will probably take decades and he understates the pain it will require. Comparing it to the Black Death is not something that should be done lightly.

I also consider myself an elitist. I do fully complain about liberty. My ideal is free markets, but an elitist culture and anti-democratic political system.

Basically, I don't want to live in a country struggling with withdrawal syndromes. In the time it takes, other countries are very likely to overcome us. At least for the short term (20 to 50 years) I'm pessimistic about the West and optimistic about everywhere else.

The author stretches himself too far, but he makes a good point at the beginning. Keynesianism will die, Post-modernism will die, so will Feminism. I keep saying, Feminism is no longer revolutionary. It's institutionalized and intellectually bankrupt. The Fourth Wave will be on the defensive from guys like us.

Of course, the moral aspects remain unaddressed, but they will be, as part of the overall paradigm. Welfarism, declining marriages, sexual liberation, single motherhood - this is liberalism. With economic change so too will there be social change away from these trends. After all, economic security is greatest in stable, addiction-free families.
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Postby abcdavid01 » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:29 pm

Ghost, I'd be wary of Molyneux. The guy said that poor parenting - things like spanking or really just any expression of parental authority - instill in children a respect for authority, an anti-freedom philosophy, that continues into adulthood. So there have been a number of instances of people getting wrapped up into it and doing exactly that - young guys listen to his radio show, stop believing in religion, cut themselves off from their families, and commit suicide. Leads their parents to call his radio show a cult. Check out this:

http://www.molyneuxrevealed.com/2012/06 ... x-and.html

Now I used to be a libertarian and I still am in a sense, though I'm far from a typical one. What changed me is reading Hayek's The Fatal Conceit. Basically the idea is that family and local communities are intrinsically egalitarian, socialist institutions - just as the first human tribes were. Unlike Molyneux or Ayn Rand, Hayek embraces this truth while still making a viscous argument defending the free market on a macro level.

So then I took it further and started examining ideas like Mencius Moldbug, really great blogger. This idea is that pure Libertarianism works under ideal conditions, but sometimes you need a military dictator to prevent the two tribes from engaging in an ethnic bloodbath. So the free market results in spontaneous order - a much better system than Socialism. Yet for spontaneous order to safely emerge it must be preceded by non-spontaneous order (state action). The key is to have a liberal dictator - which is something Hayek also argued. Libertarianism is supposed to defend the free market right? If you think of government as a corporation, Democracy is like letting everyone in the office including the janitor on the board of directors and allowing them to pick the CEO. Not good business practice. Anarcho-capitalism is a pipe dream. We already have anarchy within the sphere of international relations (no one world government) and there's a reason institutions like the Hanseatic League don't exist anymore.

I suppose one label I could use is Fascist Libertarian, which I know sounds like an oxymoron:

http://therightstuff.biz/2013/01/23/fas ... ter-world/
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Postby Teal Lantern » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:53 pm

Certainly there won't be a one-size-fits-all answer.
I was thinking here of offering some ideas for those men who can't or would rather not go all Marco Polo, in Asia. :wink:

The map link is for those who would like an alternative to directly funding the social ills around them.
Combine that with http://city-data.com/ and now you're cookin'. :lol:

On the issue of gov school indoc .. err.. "education", I offer these as just two examples of MANY alternatives.
http://www.robinsoncurriculum.com/
http://khanacademy.org/
( When I was still considering a family in the USSA, I actually spent some time looking at how homeschooling was treated by different states. )

Some places have realized productive people are necessary and are trying to lure new ones in.
Free land fails to draw new homesteaders to Kansas towns
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/30/9 ... fails.html

Beatrice (Nebraska) offers free land for new 'homesteads'
http://journalstar.com/article_1313b238 ... 03286.html

Want land? Take it — it's free
http://realestate.msn.com/land-of-the-free

Mixed results so far, but I expect to see more offers in the future.
I also hear radio ads for other communities pointing out how they're great places to set up shop.
As abcdavid01 put it, they're on the defensive.

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Some of these locations I'm finding might be great places to 'ghost'. I'd better stop posting, now. 8)
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Postby abcdavid01 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:07 am

Adults? More like vulnerable teenagers if I understand, so...

Also, it was not always thus. Yes, serfs never have any concept of art or refinement. Yet in ages past the serfs were not in power as they are now.

Drive through most any town in the United States, and you will notice a recurrent theme, our societal leitmotif: at least one street (usually several) blighted by, sacrificed to, consumptive postmodernism.

Large and gaudy signs, unimaginative architecture, mass-produced imagery, welfare disguised as diversionary hourly make-work (Now hiring 4th assistant manager!). All of this designed for the singular, mechanical, amoral purpose of pandering already obsolescent shit to an ever lower common denominator.

Several streets over, hidden behind this shoddy mask of progress, technology, and cheap baubles you will find postmodernism’s fugal counterpoint: the prior.

Houses built by craftsmen long-dead, aesthetically-pleasing city halls, charming and inviting town squares. Monuments dedicated to events that held infinitely more spiritual value than any nihilistic school shooting or Lew Rockwell article on predator drones.


http://therightstuff.biz/2012/12/23/autophagy/

And more, on the living dead:

http://therightstuff.biz/2012/12/12/the-living-dead/
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