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Are people in Hawaii more friendly and relaxed?

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Postby NorthAmericanguy » Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:26 pm

globetrotter wrote:
Northamericanguy wrote:And yes, native Hawaiians don't like white people as others have stated, and it baffles me when white people express anger that they are not accepted in Hawaii. I mean, after all the raping, killing, and stealing they have done (much more so than any other racial group!), they have the nerve to get mad that there are people today that are rightfully upset over what they were responsible for in the past.


This is total bullshit.

Whenever I encounter Political Correctness, Critical Theory or Cultural Marxism, I drop the hammer.

Fallacy of Composition:

A fallacy of composition arises when one infers that something is true of the whole from the fact that it is true of some part of the whole.

E.G.
All of the rapists in Hawaii were white, therefore all whites are rapists and deserving of scorn.

Sorry, that's Bullshit.

I am not responsible for what someone did 150 years ago just because they might look a little bit like me.

Racism is Racism, no matter who propagates it.





Really, I'm a raciest for pointing out the history of your violent ancestors?

And it does not stop with the Hawaiians, the Native Americans/Australian aboriginals dislike whites too because of the millions of Indians/Australian aboriginals that were killed, all while the survivors were driven off their land they lived on for 1000's of years.

And your response is typical when I bring this topic up with other Caucasians, they either resort to, "get over it," or others say," I was not responsible because I was not there." Very few acknowledge what happened and admit that what their ancestors did was wrong and try to rectify it. And at this point, I'm not even getting my hopes up that white people would care because it's not in their nature. Quite simply, a race that survives on domination, aggression, and war, is not going to one day wake up and be caring and compassionate and try to have a civil factual discussion of the past because it could lead to public outcry, war crimes and a revision of the history books itself.


GT, you might want to check out this book however, Iceman Inheritance : Prehistoric Sources of Western Man's Racism, Sexism and Aggression, it was written by a white man for white people to read. The general outline of the book is that Caucasians have a history of aggression towards their own kind and others because genetically they mixed in with the Neanderthals where other racial gropes such as the Africans did not.

http://www.amazon.com/Iceman-Inheritanc ... 1879831007



Bradley offers a persuasive argument that the white race, the Neanderthal-Caucasoids, are more aggressive than others because of ancient sexual maladaptation. And, in tracing the effects of Caucasian aggression, Bradley offers an uncomfortable and all-too-plausible explanation for the pattern of human history.
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Postby NorthAmericanguy » Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:42 pm

globetrotter wrote:
Northamericanguy wrote:
Kapinga626 wrote:If I had met any Hawaiians that were SO cool , and fun to be around , I might be living there now , But I didn't .

Being a middle aged man from nowhere Pennsylvania , I can say with all sincerity , that I have never raped a Hawaiian , killed a Hawaiian , or stole from a Hawaiian . For any Hawaiian to resent me for something that happened 150 - 200 years ago by someone else is just stupid .


How is it stupid? Why can't people have the right to be angry at another group of people if it's valid?


Because it isn't valid, it's racist and it's illogical.

Just because a group of a few thousand white men were assholes 150 years ago, does not mean that one can conclude that ALL white men are assholes, or that one can blame them all, even ones born 150 years later who were not even from the same country. Fallacy of Composition.

Racism is Racism, no matter if the person doing it is Hawaiian or otherwise.

You are arguing for Hawaiians to be pissed off at people from Iceland or Iran, when Iceland had ZERO affect, interest or impact upon Hawaii 150 years ago.

But people in Iceland are white, and the men in Iceland are White Men, so by your 'reasoning' Hawaiians have the right to be angry at them.



All white men are not bad, I happen to have much respect for the Ancient Greeks such as men like Herodotus.

Regardless, Caucasians TODAY still continue to dominate others through economics, and military might.
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Postby globetrotter » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:08 pm

Northamericanguy wrote:
globetrotter wrote:
Northamericanguy wrote:And yes, native Hawaiians don't like white people as others have stated, and it baffles me when white people express anger that they are not accepted in Hawaii. I mean, after all the raping, killing, and stealing they have done (much more so than any other racial group!), they have the nerve to get mad that there are people today that are rightfully upset over what they were responsible for in the past.


This is total bullshit.

Whenever I encounter Political Correctness, Critical Theory or Cultural Marxism, I drop the hammer.

Fallacy of Composition:

A fallacy of composition arises when one infers that something is true of the whole from the fact that it is true of some part of the whole.

E.G.
All of the rapists in Hawaii were white, therefore all whites are rapists and deserving of scorn.

Sorry, that's Bullshit.

I am not responsible for what someone did 150 years ago just because they might look a little bit like me.

Racism is Racism, no matter who propagates it.


Really, I'm a racist for pointing out the history of your violent ancestors?


Yes, you are.

You betcha, because MY ancestors did not set foot in Hawaii.

Thus your allegations are a lie, and you are racist.

My ancestors landed in North America (1630) before the introduction of slaves into the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1643.

Take this up with someone whose ancestors worked a southern slave port, or someone whose ancestors were on those ships in Hawaii.

I also dismiss the concept, which is based in Marxism and class envy morphed into race, of responsibility for what other members of my 'race' did in the past.

I am not responsible for what someone who may have looked like me, and who was not my ancestor, did 150 years ago.

This concept only applies to 'the oppressors' who must take collective responsibility for past actions of members of their race, but it does not apply to any member of an 'oppressed class' who is free from the same strictures.
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Postby NorthAmericanguy » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:25 am

globetrotter wrote:
Northamericanguy wrote:
globetrotter wrote:
Northamericanguy wrote:And yes, native Hawaiians don't like white people as others have stated, and it baffles me when white people express anger that they are not accepted in Hawaii. I mean, after all the raping, killing, and stealing they have done (much more so than any other racial group!), they have the nerve to get mad that there are people today that are rightfully upset over what they were responsible for in the past.


This is total bullshit.

Whenever I encounter Political Correctness, Critical Theory or Cultural Marxism, I drop the hammer.

Fallacy of Composition:

A fallacy of composition arises when one infers that something is true of the whole from the fact that it is true of some part of the whole.

E.G.
All of the rapists in Hawaii were white, therefore all whites are rapists and deserving of scorn.

Sorry, that's Bullshit.

I am not responsible for what someone did 150 years ago just because they might look a little bit like me.

Racism is Racism, no matter who propagates it.


Really, I'm a racist for pointing out the history of your violent ancestors?


Yes, you are.

You betcha, because MY ancestors did not set foot in Hawaii.

Thus your allegations are a lie, and you are racist.

My ancestors landed in North America (1630) before the introduction of slaves into the Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1643.

Take this up with someone whose ancestors worked a southern slave port, or someone whose ancestors were on those ships in Hawaii.

I also dismiss the concept, which is based in Marxism and class envy morphed into race, of responsibility for what other members of my 'race' did in the past.

I am not responsible for what someone who may have looked like me, and who was not my ancestor, did 150 years ago.

This concept only applies to 'the oppressors' who must take collective responsibility for past actions of members of their race, but it does not apply to any member of an 'oppressed class' who is free from the same strictures.





How dare you call me a raciest when growing up my own late grandfather told me stories of how Caucasians hung Africans from trees like a sport, our how he fought for this country and was still not permitted to enter restaurants through the front door.




As far as the rest of your post, it's funny how you're silent on the subject of Caucasian aggression, violence, and the mass slaughter of indigenous people wholesale around the world. I'm sure it's because you know that all the roads lead back to EUROPE.



http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Country-Hi ... t_ep_dpt_5

"In addition, the author argues, white Australians have never acknowledged that their country was founded on the genocide of the aborigines, still discriminated against today, and has been run ever since as a colonial tool, first of Great Britain and now of the United States--the CIA, the author suggests in convincing detail, connived in the 1975 overthrow of a Labor government unpopular with the U.S. Pilger's strong tone may alienate those who don't already agree with him, but he backs up his contentions with careful documentation. Overall, though, his thoughtful book will appeal to those seeking a more realistic understanding of the land Down Under."






http://www.amazon.com/Freedom-Next-Time ... t_ep_dpt_1





"This text was a difficult if not an extremely painful read. Man's inhumanity to man expressed in this book truly goes beyond the pale. We have entered an Orwellian stage in our history, where world dominance is justified as paving the way for democracy, maintaining our `freedom' through combating `terror', where the true victims are the innocent, the silent oppressed, euphemised as `collateral damage'.

John Pilger has been chronicling crimes against humanity for over 35 years, his first most ground breaking story being the Indonesian invasion of East Timor, which was given the green light by President Ford and Henry Kissinger, and supplied weapons by the British. Thousands of innocents were slaughtered, including two Australian television news crews as they were attempting to report this illegal action to the world and paid the ultimate price. The oppression in East Timor continues today. In Freedom Next Time, Pilger examines five examples of crimes against humanity and the effects of economic globalization, where the elites are getting richer and the poor slowly vanishing from the radar screens, categorized as "non-persons".

In chapter 1, Stealing a Nation, Pilger describes the unlawful deportation of an entire people, the island of Diego Garcia, part of the Chagos archipelago, which constitutes the Saloman Islands and Edgemont Island, situated exactly between Africa and Asia. A secret deal between the British and American governments, the British sold Diego Garcia to the Americans to make way for a military base. Over two thousand Chagossian's were deported to Mauritius, dropped off with barely the cloths on their backs, currently living in abject poverty without compensation from the British government despite being British citizens. What is startling is the massive cover-up by the government and the silence of most journalists over three decades, allowing (them) to get away with it.



This a hard book to read as man's inhumanity to man, the appalling lies and silence from the mainstream media, and the amount of innocent deaths around the globe for the betterment of the few, is hard to take. Pilger has never held back with the truth, despite numerous death threats over his career, banned from countries and standing up to those that perpetrate these crimes against humanity.

As a reader of Pilger for some years now, this is his best book to date.

Highly recommended."
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Postby MrCross » Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:27 pm

Yes, the way Hawaiians have been treated in the past is horrible, but guess what??? The tourist white people keep the economy alive. Notice that the locals with attitudes are also the ones living in poverty. If your pride for something that didn't happen to you outweighs your will to succeed, you may want to reevaluate your priorities.

The same can be said for many races on the mainland as well. You want to complain about how horrible your ancestors had it, and how the government is screwing you, then you take section 8 housing, food stamps, Medicaid, and welfare, and you drive to get your benefits in a Mercedes? Congratulations...I can't get approved for housing loans while I attend medical school. I guess I'll have to take the half-assed route through school and be a sub-par physician because I was too busy working 2 jobs while in school.

Don't come crying to me about ancestors, because I'm Irish. My family was oppressed by the English a thousand years ago. Guess what??? I'm over it. If people want to cry about oppression and mistreatment, tell them to study WWII and the Shoah, then talk.

Just live, love, and get yours.
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Postby MrCross » Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:29 pm

Oh btw, they live in HAWAII, not Iraq. Walk outside, go to beach, STFU.
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