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These jobs suck

Postby Mr S » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:08 pm

These are supposed to be the "hot" jobs now and in the future. Imagine doing these for your career, God i'd kill myself with bordom and non creativity. The photos are so cliche fake too.

http://www.boston.com/jobs/bighelp/2011/hotjobs2011/
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Postby E_Irizarry » Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:05 pm

Hold on, Mr. S. I usually agree with everything that you say, but Business Analysts and Code developers still make bank, my friend. Not as much, but they still make bank.
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Postby ladislav » Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:08 pm

Not mentioned are these hot careers. Hope they do not get mentioned- we do not need the competition.

English teacher in Kuwait- $50K tax free + housing + 41 days vacation+ transportation to work.

English teacher in Saudi- $72K a year + 60 days vacation+ housing

English teacher in Iraq- $139,000 a year. First 94K tax free. Housing paid. In Afghanistan- ESL trainer. 170K a year with Dyncorp.

Boring? With mortar rounds landing every day? Not so.

By the way, living on $30-40K ( some jobs quoted pay that) in California is damn near impossible.
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Postby Mr S » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:52 am

E_Irizarry wrote:Hold on, Mr. S. I usually agree with everything that you say, but Business Analysts and Code developers still make bank, my friend. Not as much, but they still make bank.


I'm not talking about pay, jobs are not always about money. I'm talking about the actual work itself. I would find these jobs considerably boring and monotonous, especially having to deal with managers and "bosses" that probably couldn't tell their ass from a hole in the ground. Plus office politics and all that sucks...

The jobs mentioned are mostly all left brained jobs where you have to work under various hierarchies, plus having to play ball in the office regarding political correctness and what other mind-numbing skullduggery that goes on in American offices nowadays.

I have almost zero interest in using my left brain much, always been a right brainer and the system growing up tied to force me to use my left and forget the right. Never did happen. Since the education system is based mostly on left brain instruction my grades were average at best.
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Postby ExpandMindset » Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:22 am

JOBS here in the US are totally useless. They kill your creativity and dreams. It destroys your personality and makes you become a conformist DRONE. All you care about is your 401k or what type of food you are take out for lunch. People are so clueless at my work about the outer world. Most people have never been outside their home state.
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Postby Mr S » Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:23 am

ExpandMindset wrote:JOBS here in the US are totally useless. They kill your creativity and dreams. It destroys your personality and makes you become a conformist DRONE. All you care about is your 401k or what type of food you are take out for lunch. People are so clueless at my work about the outer world. Most people have never been outside their home state.


I totally agree that's why I posted the link initially to show how brainwashed the overall public is thinking these are "good" jobs, ugh...Shoot me if I ever have to be stuck doing work in America again to survive!
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Postby Rock » Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:18 am

ladislav wrote:Not mentioned are these hot careers. Hope they do not get mentioned- we do not need the competition.

English teacher in Kuwait- $50K tax free + housing + 41 days vacation+ transportation to work.

English teacher in Saudi- $72K a year + 60 days vacation+ housing

English teacher in Iraq- $139,000 a year. First 94K tax free. Housing paid. In Afghanistan- ESL trainer. 170K a year with Dyncorp.

Boring? With mortar rounds landing every day? Not so.

By the way, living on $30-40K ( some jobs quoted pay that) in California is damn near impossible.


Those salaries sound enticing. Sounds like any Joe from the US or UK could make a career alternating - 1 work year / 1 play year, esp. those willing to work in war zones.

But, I did a quick search on ESL jobs in Saudi and the salaries I saw ranged from $2,000 - $3,000 per month, occasionally up to $3,500. Housing and transportation allowances were provided as well.

How easy do you think it is to secure jobs which pay towards the high end of the ranges you mentioned above?
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Postby ladislav » Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:52 pm

But, I did a quick search on ESL jobs in Saudi and the salaries I saw ranged from $2,000 - $3,000 per month, occasionally up to $3,500. Housing and transportation allowances were provided as well.
How easy do you think it is to secure jobs which pay towards the high end of the ranges you mentioned above?


An excellent question. Well, the Internet is full of "chaff" jobs in Saudi. These will hire one PDQ. I had a job for 4 years that paid $2666 a month. I banked $2000 every month. Vacation tickets were paid, housing paid, food- three meals a day- paid, a car was provided, gas paid, clothing paid ( yup), a fridge full of sandwich ingredients, detergent paid, all utilities paid. Swimming pool and gym free and laundry free. A 5, then 10 then 15% bonus at the end of each year. So even that job allowed me to put away over 20K a year. Not bad at all and I did not refuse myself anything. Vacations were 41 days a year. Some guys lived on $50 a month and did not take vacations. These banked close to 30K a year. Not bad at all. I went on safaris in Africa, sent my GF to college, paid off all my credit cards, went to Amsterdam, and spent a long time in the Philippines in between contracts. Still came away with a good sum.

If you want high end jobs what you do is you just "prospect" for them. Google "ESL Job Saudi Middle East" and/or "English Language Instructor Wanted Saudi" ( Iraq, Kuwait, etc). Note what boards they are on, bookmark them, if they have a membership program/ requirement, enroll, and just start going through all the present/past jobs and "lie in wait" for future ones. Takes some 1-8 weeks to start finding jewels. If you have decent quals. and you apply for some 5-6 of those good ones, and then after being rejected by some, and rejecting other ones, you will eventually find your match. It takes me close to two months normally to get those high end ones. It is a matter of going through one after another board and just emailing resumes. I am no longer happy with 3K a month jobs, but recently they offered me a $ 5800 a month plus all things paid. But I had already taken this job in Kuwait. With the former, you can easily bank 5K a month for the total of 60K a year. But these usually want guys with an MA. With BAs, you would need to do mid level ones and then if you get a DELTA/CELTA and have 2-3 years experience you can move up to some $4800 a month jobs. Still, you will be able to save some 50K a year so not so bad. And with the lower end ones- 20K a year minimum while living a "normal" life.

If you have no ESL experience, then you may want to do a year in Korea- they take anyone who is round eyed with a big nose and any college degree; get a DELTA/CELTA certificate while there, then move on to your first lower end Saudi job and then move up.

Iraq/ Afghan jobs are on Dyncorp Careers websites - google there and search.

I could not pass the US military medical- liver enzymes too high. Have no idea why. So I am now taking medications and maybe will reapply in the future.

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Riyadh Saudi Arabia

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Mecca


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Abu Dhabi

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Not many Americans in all these places. Americans are made to think by Hollywood that all Arab cities look like this:

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so most would never come
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Postby Adama » Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:47 pm

Yup. Articles like these just drive more people into those fields. Then the people who graduate with degrees for those fields will find out that there are so many other graduates flooding the market that they can't get their foot in the door. Prime example: Lawyers. That would probably be the worst and most expensive mistake career-wise.
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Postby momopi » Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:35 pm

I worked as an IT analyst for ~14 years. If the company really had an effective hierarchy, it'd have made my work much easier. But, some blokes had the bright idea that autonomous work groups and flat organizational structure is the way to go, so manging projects in the US is like herding cats. You're put in charge with no authority and nobody above you (up to VP) has the authority over others. If you look at the company's organization chart, it's like a collection of smaller companies with a mind of their own, plus figurehead parent corporation like a cherry on top.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7yqlTMvp8[/youtube]

What I learned in those years: when you can't command or demand people to even show up for your project meeting, you bribe them with doughnuts and pizza. The difference between lower ranking staff vs. higher ranking staff is that the lower ranking guys can be bribed with food in the office, versus the higher ranking guys require a visit to the golf course. Quite hilarious considering both the old and new company office locations were conveniently within walking distance to a golf course.

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Actual photo of golf course next to my old workplace. By "next to", I mean it literally. The company's campus is next door to the golf course. Rest assured that if you don't like these "left brained" jobs, there are plenty of people around the world who'd be happy to take your place. An employee is on the expense side of the columns, and quite expendable.
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Postby TRADER1972 » Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:57 am

ExpandMindset wrote:JOBS here in the US are totally useless. They kill your creativity and dreams. It destroys your personality and makes you become a conformist DRONE. All you care about is your 401k or what type of food you are take out for lunch. People are so clueless at my work about the outer world. Most people have never been outside their home state.


Brilliantly stated! I read a book in 1993 that was from the 1970s that discussed the fact of jobs destroying ones creativity. I believed it then and it has been confirmed over the past 18 years.

And people sure are willfully ignorant.
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Postby jamesbond » Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:10 am

Mr S wrote:I'm not talking about pay, jobs are not always about money. I'm talking about the actual work itself. I would find these jobs considerably boring and monotonous, especially having to deal with managers and "bosses" that probably couldn't tell their ass from a hole in the ground. Plus office politics and all that sucks...

The jobs mentioned are mostly all left brained jobs where you have to work under various hierarchies, plus having to play ball in the office regarding political correctness and what other mind-numbing skullduggery that goes on in American offices nowadays.

Most jobs SUCK! I heard a news report that said 78% of Americans HATE their jobs! I believe it, I mean how many people do you know of, wake up in the morning and say, "Oh great, I can't wait to go to work today." :lol:

You throw in the traffic you have to face driving to and from work, the office politics, the asshole you may have for a boss, the coworkers you don't like, not to mention the job itself that you probably don't like and that's what you wind up doing from the time you get out of school until the time you retire! WTF? :shock:

No wonder why so many people look forward to retirement! :D
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Postby tribbsj » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:55 pm

"Business systems analysts don't typically write code themselves. Instead, they look at the problems businesses face and decide what the hardware and software firms use needs to include."

What the f**k does that mean? So they just say to the IT guys, "Hey, buy this software and install it." And the IT guys says, "Yeah, I know, duh, that's what we need." Sounds productive.

"ERP technical developers customize workplace software to fit the needs of individual companies. Since one company cannot make do with the ERP software of another, technical developers will be in higher demand as firms start investing in their own needs."

So, basically, you sit down and take Software A and make it into Software A "with company logo to appear at the login screen."

It's all TOTAL f***ing BULLSHIT! They're not even REAL JOBS!
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Postby tribbsj » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:15 pm

THANK YOU for this awesome information, ladislav. You've led one hell of a life.

I thought before, "Is it as simple as just scouring these boards for job postings and emailing resumes?" Well, it is.

Trouble is, I don't have my BA degree finished. That will take a year at least. Then to Korea, then another year, etc. *sigh* It's a lot. Might be better to focus on starting a business here or buying properties and developing rental income.

I don't care about the money. As Mr S said, money doesn't matter to most. What does matter is income. I, personally, what you're decribing, Ladislav, it's a huge committment. It's a huge personal investment and change of lifestyle for me -- probably for a lot of people.

Am I teacher? Never thought of myself as one. I don't even know if I'd like it at all. Don't know.

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But, I did a quick search on ESL jobs in Saudi and the salaries I saw ranged from $2,000 - $3,000 per month, occasionally up to $3,500. Housing and transportation allowances were provided as well.
How easy do you think it is to secure jobs which pay towards the high end of the ranges you mentioned above?
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