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Poll: Does Winston give a damn about his own forum?

No, he doesn't get rid of trolls or clean up the spam since they make it look more active. Claiming he had to let all trolls back in due to a technicality was just an excuse
16
55%
Intermediate opinion
2
7%
Yes, but he is so hell bent on free speech that prefers to err on the side of freedom.
4
14%
Does Winston really make a living out of this?
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24%
 
Total votes : 29

Re: Poll: Does Winston give a damn about his own forum?

Postby Rock » Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:18 pm

Winston wrote:
Rock wrote:
Cornfed wrote:
Winston wrote:Notice that option number one got the most votes, despite it being the LEAST accurate. The reason? Obviously because it is the most NEGATIVE option and the RIDICULING one as well. So it got the most votes ONLY for being the most negative, even though it was the least accurate. A logical person would have voted the second or third option. That doesn't bode well for the members here. It means they aren't logical or objective at all, but hell bent toward anything negative, even if it's false and inaccurate. That doesn't speak well of the members here. So Steve55 and other critics are right, that the problem here is that you guys are way wayyyyyyyyyyyy wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too hell bent on negativity, criticism, cynicism and ridicule. That's what's driving people away from this forum, NOT my bad management. So look at yourself in the mirror guys.

Oh come on Winston. If you had not been neglecting the forum this wouldn’t be an issue. If you had been a diligent employee or entrepreneur you would have been doing what you have been doing in the last few days all the time. Instead it has taken you weeks to do anything. Imagine your dad owned this forum as a business, the guy managing it ran it like you do and your dad asked for your advice. I think you would advise him to fire the manager.


Winston, it's not that we wanna be negative. It's just that the overwhelming majority of core posters here from past and present believe:

1. You frequently neglect the forum completely, maybe as much as 70-80% or more of the time.

2. You don't even bother to at least skim each thread. You miss a lot more than even many of us even though you are the owner and beneficiary of all the work that goes in it. And when you do read stuff, you're often very late to the game, often many weeks late.

3. A large number of quality core posters have either left or no longer contribute much because they are not happy with the direction this forum has gone.

4. The forum has become a cesspit of negativity, racism, and trolling.

5. As Mr. S pointed out, volume (post numbers and word count) seems to have declined significantly from a few years ago unless you include all the spam and troll posts.

6. Many get tired of the retarded conspiracy flat earth nonsense and other half baked pseudo science and sky is falling Tacoest stuff.

I'm personally fed up with this place. I follow it everyday like an addict but I don't contribute much anymore. As I explained to El Claudio, if I spent a lot of time to put together a good report, I might get 2-3 quality responses if I was lucky and perhaps a few one-liners or sarcastic quips from the likes of Banano. Back in the day, a good report could generate many pages of great discussion. Now it's kinda become a small circus and we come off as losers for being here.

Case in point. At this very moment, I'm in Accra Ghana, a very exotic local. Am I gonna put together a trip report with photos similar to what I did with Jamaica, Haiti, or DR? Nah. Too much trouble for too little reward in the way of responses and follow-up discussion. I'd be better off just sharing w a few friends on Whats app or not even bothering. There is no reward for posting here like there used to be.

I realize you will deny much if not all of what I've stated above. Again, as I told El Claudilo, what looks purple to Winston may look green to many others. Such is the nature of perception and perhaps reality itself is not absolute but rather relative. Still though Winston, you should ask yourself a few hard questions - Why have so many good to great posters abandoned ship or cut down their contributions here to almost nil if nothing has gotten any worse? Why are trip reports so rare these days? Why is the noise to signal ratio here so high? If we've all become negative, perhaps the source is a chronic lack of leadership and consistent hands-on management of the place. If happierabroad.com was a publicly traded asset, I bet the share price would be way down from it's peak by now. It's an eroding asset.


Rock,
Whether you want to be negative or not, you ARE negative. Most of you are. There no doubt about it. Why else would most people pick the most NEGATIVE option in this poll even though it's the least accurate and least logical? Obviously because people love negativity and are addicted to it. It's obvious and a no brainer.

1, 2. Excuse me Rock. Most forum owners rarely participate in their own forum. David Icke does not participate in his massive forum. Neither does Alex Jones. Even Rooshv doesn't participate that much in his own forum. Get real. The forum owner is supposed to have a life and be a role model to follow. The forum owner is not supposed to read every thread either. That would take all day and all night, or at least many hours.

3. The reason a lot of good posters no longer post is the SAME reason I don't. They have a life in the real offline world, and they are busy with lots of things. You know how life is. Tons of distractions, people to pay attention to, things to do, errands, eat, sleep, laundry, etc. etc. Only computer geeks have time to post all the time. Don't you get it?

Besides, Ladislav and Mr S are active in the Facebook group. They find it easier to upload pics and follow. Some people prefer FB. That's not my fault. Why do you think everyone is my fault or under my control? Free speech is not supposed to have too much control or censorship. Some of my other forums died out due to posters getting banned.

4. Why do you blame me for what people post here? Do you expect me to control and restrict their free speech? If so, tons of people will complain and leave. What solution do you suggest for getting people to post more positive useful stuff here? You are complaining but you don't have realistic solutions.

5. I thought you conceded that forum traffic was the same, according to Google Analytics, as we discussed earlier. Why are you now saying the opposite? You keep contradicting yourself. You are so unstable Rock and waffling. I told you, there's no objective proof that the forum traffic is dwindling. Again, click the Active Topics link above. Last time I clicked it, there were 76 active topics of the last 7 days, which is pretty good, remember? That right there PROVES you wrong. Traffic may rise and fall, but on the average, it's still about the same. Click on the active topics page and you will see. Did you do that? If so, you will prove yourself wrong, but you don't want to be wrong right? So you don't click the link. lol. Go figure.

How many times do I have to repeat the same things to you Rock? Are you deaf?????? Should I copy and paste the above to you again below? Do you need to read the above twice in order to remember it? lol Or thrice? lol

6. If you don't like the flat earth stuff, then don't participate in those threads. Don't read them. Don't post in them. Simple as that. Are you a child who needs to be told what to do? Do you need to learn common sense? If you don't like something, then ignore it. But if we set up a rule that no flat earth topics are allowed, then it would restrict free speech and another group of people would complain. How about we start a poll to see if the majority of posters would like to have rules banning pseudo topics like flat earth, etc? If so, then what else would you lump into this "pseudo" category? Conspiracy topics? 9/11? Anti-semitism? What's next? Anything weird or someone thinks is kooky (even if true) would go into that category? Pretty soon we would be a politically correct forum. Is that what you want? If not, then what do you suggest exactly?

Be a man. Honor free speech. If you don't like a topic, then ignore it. Don't click on them.

Even Mr S does not believe that free speech here should be restricted. Like me, he posts a lot of conspiracy stuff and metaphysical stuff here too. So he wouldn't be in favor of censoring such topics.

Yes I understand what you mean about writing a long trip report with pictures, and then getting very few replies. That happens with my threads sometimes too. It even happens with Everdred, though some of his threads have a good number of responses. Why is that my fault? What do you want me to do about that? You want me to force people to reply to your trip report threads? How would I force people to do that????????? Why you blaming me for things outside my control? lol. Isn't that illogical?

Besides Rock, we all know you come here for the entertainment value of it. You like oddballs and you find the odd cast of characters to be interesting and intriguing. It tickles your funny bone. That's why you loved odbo's posts. He didn't contribute anything practical, but his anti-semite posts and cartoons were funny and made you laugh. That's why you wanted him back remember? For your ENTERTAINMENT. Admit it. You like oddballs and eccentrics. That's why you even defend that poser who pretends to be my dad. You know it's not my dad, but you find it funny, so you defend it, cause it's ENTERTAINING to you. So admit it, this forum is a source of entertainment for you. You like the weird characters here, the eccentric personalities and the oddballs, as well as the free flowing free speech here. It creates a vibe and character that is like nowhere else. That's why you come back, and why others do too.

Even regular posters check in sometimes. Even MarcosZeitola checks the forum sometimes. I saw his profile and he regularly comes and reads posts still, even though he's not active. Same with billy and anamericaninbangkok other non-active members. They still come back to see what's going on, even if they no longer post. I know because their profiles show that they recently logged in.

I'm tired of repeating all this Rock, please re-read the above a few times. Sheesh.


Yes you repeat things many times. Like your ebook could be boiled down to a fraction of it's size an still have all the relevant content in-tact. I'll let you in on something Winston. Just because you repeat something doesn't make it correct or accurate. Just because you swear to something or say it's 1000% true doesn't make it so. So you told us many times? So what. I know that this forum used to be a much better place as far as the topic of Happier Abroad is concerned.

As for the most active topics, it's a big mistake for you to use that as a gauge. If you instead use the latest 100 topics, you can monitor when a post is made and how many posts are made in a certain period of time, say over a 24 hour period of time. That's what I do. It ensures that you don't miss anything, especially threads which are started but don't attract responses. I've made many such threads and usually you miss them unless I point them out to you. And if you eliminate the troll threads, harsh racism, moon landing idiocy, rants about American women, and petty fights between the few left here, you will find the post numbers and word counts are in fact down when compared to a few years ago. Even if you include the retarded conspiracy flat earth stuff, it's still down.

Yes, many moderators of larger forums are not so active anymore. But guess what. They put solid systems in place to make sure the forum get's 24/7 moderation according to guidelines and that spam does not flood the place. They also seem to know whats going on through their lieutenants and deputies. So if I bring up a thread to them, they don't scratch their head and ask me who that poster is. The forum content generated at present is light enough that one person could follow it all. Even with my skimming, I pretty much catch everything. That's more than I can say for you, the guy who's collecting 1-2 K per month from a forum which is coasting on it's archives.

Your forum is kinda a joke these days. Yes, perhaps it may be out of your control to some extent. But you've become lazy and inconsistent as far as it's concerned so you don't even try much.

BTW, I'm not negative about everything. I'm positive about Thailand for fun, Taiwan for quality life environment, Philippines for dating, and Africa for exotic experiences. I try to encourage people when I see solutions for them. I only become negative when I see them dropping the ball, being lazy, or acting stupid. You see, when I get pissed off in Phils, it usually has to do with one of those three factors above when I try to accomplish a business task or even get decent service.

As leader, you should at least shape the forum into positive directions such as spiritual growth, creative solutions to finding happier abroad lives now that many areas are being contaminated, help to newbies, and quashing of extreme racism, negativity, or petty bickering which you yourself sometimes participate in.

You are like a 40 year old kid when it comes to taking in constructive criticism. You've lost many posters who might have stayed if you behaved more like a man and less like an emotional boy. So straight up, it is what it has become and that's not good. If you changed, it might be salvageable to an extent in spite of what Mr. S and Cornfed have said about the broader environment. But none of us are holding our breathes.

Guys, are there any alternatives to forums like this now that forums in general seem to be in decline? What do people do now to swap happier abroad information and trip reports?
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Re: Poll: Does Winston give a damn about his own forum?

Postby droid » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:28 pm

Winston wrote:Ok I just sent you the code for that file to your PM. I sent a copy to fschmidt too. But the code didn't wrap around though and goes off the screen. If it's too hard to read, I'll try to find a way to send it to you as a file attachment. Let me know by PM. Thanks.


Yeah i could see it. I sent you a message with something you might try or look into.
Your Captcha scheme seems to be working well though.
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Re: Poll: Does Winston give a damn about his own forum?

Postby retiredfrank » Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:45 pm

Winston wrote: What you propose is censorship. That would undermine one of the unique qualities here, of free speech and honesty.

As to racist topics, the forum members voted in a poll here before to allow racist topics, in the name of free speech. See here:

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=16329


You banned several people for attacking you personally, for posting stuff you didn't like, etc. There is plenty of censorship here, you just call it something other than censorship when you want to get rid of things you don't like.

If people want to talk about racism, conspiracy theories, flat-earth, etc, then you should start a separate forum for that. I really don't understand why Crapmelder and Cornfed don't go to the white nationalist forums, since pretty much ALL they talk about is race, very seldom anything to do with happier abroad. Ditto for all the conspiracy theorists. Why not give these guys their own forum?

I do ignore irrelevant threads, but I mostly access via mobile phone and use the active topics list. That list is currently mostly crap. If you are going to continue to allow the forum to be filled with crap, and you want to keep people like me, then you need to create a list of non-crap topics.

Bottom line: Rock's criticisms are valid. Seeking happiness abroad is something I've been doing since I early retired way back in 1998. Seeking women was never my primary goal, nor did I go abroad to make money. Rather, I sensed that there was something limiting about American culture and I wanted to broaden myself through travel. And so I've been doing that ever since, for almost 20 years now, for an average of 6 months/year, including this year (leaving in two weeks for Spain, after that Ukraine). So I was very excited when I first found this forum, because many of the people here share my travel passion. But the forum has definitely gone downhill in the last three years since I first joined. (I was banned under my old name, I believe inadvertently, since I've been more of a troll under my current name than I ever was under the old name.) And not because forums are obsolete.

The main problem is the host of this forum, you Winston Wu, is bored and doesn't give a damn about much of anything anymore and that attitude is contagious. The personality of the forum host makes a big difference. The reason RVF went downhill (and yes, it has gone downhill a lot) is Roosh got bored with women (because he never treated women as anything but notch counts to boast about to other guys, and that gets old after a while) and became another right-wing political crank, which is just boring to most of us. Plus he banned too many people and wouldn't tolerate criticism. (Note that I don't recommend banning Crapmelder or Cornfed or Adama, or deleting posts that are hostile or critical of other members. All I recommend is deleting each and every post of theirs that is not relevant to the primary theme of HA.) So aside from cleaning up the crap postings, you need to reawaken your own interest in travel.

As for facebook, I despise that place plus I prefer to remain anonymous. But if you want to dump HA in favor of facebook, in order to make money for Mark Zuckerberg rather than yourself, go ahead.
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Re: Poll: Does Winston give a damn about his own forum?

Postby starchild5 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:47 am

ohh my God....I so much love Winston vs Rock...Drama... :lol:

The best American Sitcom you can get for free right here in India... :D

Wait, let me get the popcorn....

Winston vs Rock - Viewpoints could be made into Episodes and Seasons...because they come back every year, fighting for the same issues...

Only competitions for them is Korean Drama in Asia... :mrgreen:

I seriously love Winston vs Rock Season 7 Episode 1 :)

Who are the new entrants this time..

RetiredFrank and Mr. S...Can't wait to see how they play this season.
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Re: Poll: Does Winston give a damn about his own forum?

Postby Tsar » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:44 am

In reference to my earlier post on the thread, my Twitter following spiked again by +20% so I have more followers than people I'm following. But about 3 were banned by Twitter. I still can't believe how far I'm rising. This is the 4 week mark. So if it weren't for followers being banned I would have many more.

Being a White Nationalist/National Socialist doesn't mean a person is racist. It means they value racial purity, want a White Homeland, and are against how a "Cabal" is exterminating the White Race (and feminism is one of the ways they do it).
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Re: Poll: Does Winston give a damn about his own forum?

Postby Johnny1975 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:17 am

For the last couple of days I've been following this thread, and wondering if I should say something. Twice I've started typing and then changed my mind, thinking what's the point. For some reason I've decided to try again.

I lurk here every day, but I very rarely post. I used to post quite a bit, but not any more. I just don't feel like it's worth it. Some of the threads and conversations here are so ridiculous and juvenile. How odd that a forum which is about a topic that interests me greatly doesn't inspire me to take part. That's not normal. If Winston finds it hard to do the things that a moderator is supposed to do (discipline), fine, but he should at least appoint a couple of hardasses to do it.

Winston you keep getting complaints about how you don't moderate enough, or how you let the quality deteriorate, but all you want to do is give people a numbered checklist of reasons why you're right and they're wrong. Try this for a change. Try coming up with reasons why the other person might be right. Stop defending your position just because it's your position, and listen to what people are trying to tell you.

If someone started a thread on my forum about how it's going downhill, I'd pull my socks up quick and find out what the problem is so I can solve it. Have some humility. People are telling you that there's a problem. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing but if you're just not going to listen to anything people say, the forum will continue to deteriorate and then you'll blame everything and everyone but the one who let it happen.

I've probably wasted my time typing this but what the heck.
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Re: Poll: Does Winston give a damn about his own forum?

Postby OutWest » Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:52 am

Johnny1975 wrote:For the last couple of days I've been following this thread, and wondering if I should say something. Twice I've started typing and then changed my mind, thinking what's the point. For some reason I've decided to try again.

I lurk here every day, but I very rarely post. I used to post quite a bit, but not any more. I just don't feel like it's worth it. Some of the threads and conversations here are so ridiculous and juvenile. How odd that a forum which is about a topic that interests me greatly doesn't inspire me to take part. That's not normal. If Winston finds it hard to do the things that a moderator is supposed to do (discipline), fine, but he should at least appoint a couple of hardasses to do it.

Winston you keep getting complaints about how you don't moderate enough, or how you let the quality deteriorate, but all you want to do is give people a numbered checklist of reasons why you're right and they're wrong. Try this for a change. Try coming up with reasons why the other person might be right. Stop defending your position just because it's your position, and listen to what people are trying to tell you.

If someone started a thread on my forum about how it's going downhill, I'd pull my socks up quick and find out what the problem is so I can solve it. Have some humility. People are telling you that there's a problem. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing but if you're just not going to listen to anything people say, the forum will continue to deteriorate and then you'll blame everything and everyone but the one who let it happen.

I've probably wasted my time typing this but what the heck.




A word to the wise...excellent constructive observation by you, Rock and some others

Its also true that popular YouTube channels on any topic are owning the forum traffic. I sail, so I pay attention to sailing channels, and some of the popular sailing channels/ vlogs, get mass views with vigorous comment traffic, far greater than anything on HA. Some of these channels have around 300,000 subscribers and a new video might generate tens of thousands of views in a few hours. Its obviously more popular than HA. Some of these popular channels are only a year or two old.
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Re: Poll: Does Winston give a damn about his own forum?

Postby droid » Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:25 pm

Tsar wrote:In reference to my earlier post on the thread, my Twitter following spiked again by +20% so I have more followers than people I'm following. But about 3 were banned by Twitter. I still can't believe how far I'm rising. This is the 4 week mark. So if it weren't for followers being banned I would have many more.
Being a White Nationalist/National Socialist doesn't mean a person is racist. It means they value racial purity, want a White Homeland, and are against how a "Cabal" is exterminating the White Race (and feminism is one of the ways they do it).


What does this have to do with the thread? I mean yeah you 'quit' this forum, but it's too unrelated.
Maybe make an update thread for your progress?
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