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Any of you talk to Arabs about anti-American stuff?

Post by Winston » July 18th, 2016, 5:00 am

Have any of you noticed that when you talk to Arabs and Middle Easterners about the anti-American stuff we talk about here, they are in total agreement, as if they were one of us too and on the same page as us? lol. In fact, they seem to be able to rant passionately for hours about how terrible and evil US foreign policy is in the Middle East. It's like once you bring it up, they can rage on and on about how much they hate America and its government. Even Arab women can rant about "the evils of America". lol. Any of you notice this or experience it too? If so, what kind of things did these Arabs tell you?

However, I noticed that primarily, the Arabs that hate America passionately tend to be from Afghanistan, Iran or Saudi Arabia. There are still Arabs that idolize America as a paradise to live and become rich in, such as Lebanese people. I don't know why people from Lebanon are so ignorant about America. They still think America is the land of the free where they can get rich and have a better life and that Americans are so friendly, etc. Where do they get all that? It's like their perception of America is outdated by a hundred years. Ladislav, you have any idea?

This means that if we go to the Middle East, we can have great anti-American discussions with the local people all day long, and they will be in strong agreement with us. Ladislav, did you do that too?
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Re: Any of you talk to Arabs about anti-American stuff?

Post by ladislav » July 19th, 2016, 2:19 am

I don't think many of us here are anti-American. I know I'm not.

This is not exactly a political forum. Here, we talk about the social life in the US and its romance life. And how things are bad in that respect. For us, that is. And what we do is try to self-internationalize to add some more countries to the US in order to have a more complete life. Instead of just thinking that absolutely everything is in abundance in America and if we don't have it, we are losers.

American business and even politics are global and very international, and no one says that they should stay at home and improve themselves. Colonialism is what made the West rich. First it was military, then it was economic, and now we are practicing romantic colonialism.

Why not?

There is international business and political exploration going on all the time. There is exploitation of global resources. Why is then the social/romantic resource not mentioned and always has to be limited to the inferior and limited domestic market- otherwise you are a loser? Ridiculous!

As far as American foreign policies and people criticizing it, their countries do similar things albeit on a smaller scale. Everyone is trying to defend and expand their interests and grab as much as they can. That's how things just are. Our task is to figure out how to use that system to benefit ourselves socially. We are opportunists, albeit we try to be benign about it.

For example, if it were not for the spread of American influence in Asia as well as its military prowess, we would not be able to date so successfully there. If it were not for Hollywood movies ousting local stuff and beaming mythical American heroes into the homes of all the girls there, we would not be seen as so "handsome". If they US had not invaded the Philippines, we would not be so welcome there - and allowed in without a visa and to stay there indefinitely. So, don't buck the system, Use it to your advantage in the social sense. Foreign countries respect power, especially Asians.

By the way, Afghans and Iranians are not Arabs. And Saudis would never be so rich if it were not for the cooperation with the USA.

It's OK to criticize some aspects of the US foreign policy. That's what free speech is all about. But one should not fall into the black and white simplistic trap of thinking that the US is so bad. It's not. It's just that it's bad for many men in the dating department, and the social department, period. That's when we add other countries to it.

When I was in Ukraine, I was just trying to imagine how it would be if the same social structure were present in the USA. If you could just go out and see a stream of cute blonds coming your way and just get numbers of girls and then start romance with them. If that element were present, no one would leave the USA. Heck, I wouldn't.
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Re: Any of you talk to Arabs about anti-American stuff?

Post by WorldTraveler » July 19th, 2016, 5:05 am

ladislav wrote:
It's OK to criticize some aspects of the US foreign policy. That's what free speech is all about. But one should not fall into the black and white simplistic trap of thinking that the US is so bad. It's not. It's just that it's bad for many men in the dating department, and the social department, period. That's when we add other countries to it.

When I was in Ukraine, I was just trying to imagine how it would be if the same social structure were present in the USA. If you could just go out and see a stream of cute blonds coming your way and just get numbers of girls and then start romance with them. If that element were present, no one would leave the USA. Heck, I wouldn't.
:D Ladislav, thank you for the well rounded view of America and the rest of the world. I agree with you. It is not black and white. If America had great dating and social life, I would be very happy there too. I've lived in Western Europe and these socialistic countries are not that good. What's good about America, the American Dream. Where else can someone come and bust their arse and make so much money so quickly. Just try the same thing in some of the corrupt countries that we date in. If you're not from one of elite families or have mafia connections you'll make little. I've heard horror stories. Winston, you and your family are a product of the American Dream. Didn't your parents come to the US and make their money and then retire in Taiwan :?:

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Re: Any of you talk to Arabs about anti-American stuff?

Post by ladislav » July 19th, 2016, 8:33 am

Making truly big money in America quickly is still not as easy as some people say, but at least, it's fairly easy to get to the middle class status. Getting credit is easier than in many other countries, too. Heck, you can get a job at MacDonald's and buy a car tomorrow with no down payment. And now, they have an owner occupied program whereby you can buy a house with 3% down. Then, you have the SBA loans and student loans and grants. Amazing. Getting into university is easy, too. Then, you can buy all this very cheap used stuff in the US. And a US passport is also pretty good.

The US still does not take as good a care of its people as Kuwait or the Emirates of Luxembourg/ Switzerland, but it's pretty good all the same. The infrastructure and the quality of services is superb. I am not anti American at all and none of us should be. What we are trying to do is add other countries to it. For example, now, I have Middle Eastern countries under my belt and the Philippines and Ukraine + America. Now, life is sweet. But it is now very non traditional life and marriage and kids would be a problem but you improvise. It's a totally new arrangement.
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Re: Any of you talk to Arabs about anti-American stuff?

Post by ladislav » July 19th, 2016, 8:44 am

As far as Arabs not liking America, hey, they love the " freedoms" which we take for granted and which we even see as insufficient. Compared to their countries, the US is very free. You can drink and you can go to Las Vegas to get a hooker and you can actually talk to women and see their legs! Wow!
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Re: Any of you talk to Arabs about anti-American stuff?

Post by Winston » July 19th, 2016, 10:05 am

But ladislav, America is only for those who like to "live to work". It's not for people looking for fun, social life, social connection, romance, sex or sweet friendly women. It's not for single guys either. It's for people who already have a family or don't need one, and are focused on working and making money only. It's also for materialistic people, not philosophers or artists or romantics.

What about my questions? Have any of you talked to Arabs about anti-American stuff? I have. They can rant passionately about how bad and evil the US is, for hours. Haven't you noticed that Ladislav? Have you talked to Arabs about the US? I can't be the only one that's experienced this. Talking to them about anti-Americanism is a blast because they are on the same page.

But Lebanese still idolize America. Why? They still think it's a paradise where they can have a better life and become rich.
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