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Post by Moretorque » August 26th, 2014, 3:32 pm

Hero wrote:
newlifeinphilippines wrote:
Hero wrote:You think Star Wars is ludicrous? I saw a movie where a dirt-poor third-world country was able to destroy the Evil Empire... oh wait, that wasn't a movie, that was what I saw on the news from 1979 to 1989. The truth really is stranger than fiction.
what country was that?
Afghanistan. They kicked the Soviet Union's a**.


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Post by Winston » September 3rd, 2014, 2:32 am

Mr S wrote:That video was pretty good, except for using that annoying music in between each number.

One thing that's never mentioned is why in Jedi when Luke defeats Vader and then faces the Emperor, he just throws away his light saber? Like what was he thinking that the Emperor would just say okay, you win and you can go now or I give up? Or that because the emperor was unarmed that he didn't have any ability to defeat Luke now? That part is kinda stupid.

I think Vader got messed up when the electricity shorted out his life support system in the suit that he is wearing when he picked up the Emperor, that's why he ended up dying, whereas Luke did not, although I would think it would short out his robotic hand and make it harder to carry Vader. Maybe he used the "force" to float Vader around down to the ships.

I hope Disney does something cool with the next 3 movies and makes them more adult and dark rather than childish and goofy. Lucas got sucked into the whole profit over substance after he realized how much he could make off of his toys and other franchise knockoffs. This is why Empire is the best cause the original dark plot line was kept in and the director was going for more of an adult theme, but then when Star Wars and Empires toys and other crap took off Lucas realized he would be better off making Jedi more kid friendly so he could make more money and changed the plot line of Jedi from it's original. This is why the director of Empire was let go for creative differences with Lucas. There is a video or interview somewhere on YouTube that talks about it. The Director of Empire wanted Jedi to be darker than Empire with lots of deaths and all that.
Yeah I was wondering the same thing. If you are facing an arch enemy on his own turf, you don't just throw away your lightsaber. There's no advantage in that. If Luke had kept his lightsaber, he could have deflected the lightning attack, the way Mace Windu did in the prequels.

George Lucas is terrible at basic logic it seems. But in his interviews he comes across as very genuine and down-to-earth. Luke had to throw his lightsaber though, so that he could suffer the Emperor's lightning bolts and win the sympathy of his father. It's just a stupid plot device to move the story along. But no one would do that in real life. They have to make people do stupid things in the movies in order to advance a plot. I wish they could make a more realistic reason for disarming Luke than just having him throw it away.

Yeah Jedi sucked. It was totally fake and cheesy and nonsensical, as I explained in my list of logic flaws above. I didn't know that Irwin Kershner was going to direct it too. He made Empire Strikes Back into one of the greatest movies of all time. I wonder what he would have done with Jedi. They should do a remake of Jedi using the plot that Kershner originally had planned. Empire was far more realistic. Jedi was like a cartoon. They shouldn't belong in the same series. You don't defeat an Empire without great sacrifice and bloodshed. No way.
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Post by Winston » September 3rd, 2014, 2:36 am

Mr S wrote:Which version is best?



I think the 2nd one is, the last one the dialogue is too contrived from the original to fit properly.
I think the second one is best too. They use the Emperor from Jedi in that version. The first version was the original one though. The subsequent versions are remakes in the special edition versions of the trilogy. I usually prefer the original version, but the original version here has kind of a dull Emperor with no personality.
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Post by Winston » September 3rd, 2014, 2:40 am

Hero wrote:
newlifeinphilippines wrote:
Hero wrote:You think Star Wars is ludicrous? I saw a movie where a dirt-poor third-world country was able to destroy the Evil Empire... oh wait, that wasn't a movie, that was what I saw on the news from 1979 to 1989. The truth really is stranger than fiction.
what country was that?
Afghanistan. They kicked the Soviet Union's a**.
That's not a movie. That was real news. But hey, you can't compare the Afghans with the Ewoks. The Afghans were people with guns. But the Ewoks were little teddy bears with sticks and stones. Not the same. Plus the Afghans only drove the Soviets out. They didn't topple the Soviet Empire.

I don't understand how the Soviets could invade Nazi Germany successfully by pouring in millions of troops but they couldn't do that with Afghanistan?

How did the US conquer Afghanistan in a few days?
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Post by Winston » September 3rd, 2014, 2:47 am

Moretorque wrote:Mr. Wu who cares, of all the space series ever done the original Star Trek had the best stories consistantly and really looked at the childishness of mans inner soul.

Star Wars is very very over rated!
No not true. You can't compare Star Trek and Star Wars. They are different. Star Wars is a space age version of deep mythologies in the human race. George Lucas was a student of mythology and Joseph Campbell.

Star Wars is not overrated to the kids who grew up with it, like me. To us, it was like magic in our lives, not just a good story or legend. You can't understand if you didn't grow up with it.

Today's movies are cheap in comparison. When a blockbuster movie is made, it comes out on DVD after a few months. But Star Wars was in theaters for years before it was released on VHS. When it was, the VHS version sold for $70 each! Can you believe that? It was like gold. I wanted it more than anything. No movie today is like that.

Watch this History Channel documentary about the Star Wars legacy that explains this. You will gain a deeper appreciation of Star Wars after you see this.

Star Wars - The Legacy Revealed

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL ... yvDsj8LL_E

Also see this documentary about the making of the Star Wars Trilogy. It's very interesting.

Empire of Dreams - The Story of the Star Wars Trilogy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4zMpLPjRms
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Post by Winston » September 11th, 2014, 11:37 pm

Winston wrote:
Hero wrote:
newlifeinphilippines wrote:
Hero wrote:You think Star Wars is ludicrous? I saw a movie where a dirt-poor third-world country was able to destroy the Evil Empire... oh wait, that wasn't a movie, that was what I saw on the news from 1979 to 1989. The truth really is stranger than fiction.
what country was that?
Afghanistan. They kicked the Soviet Union's a**.
That's not a movie. That was real news. But hey, you can't compare the Afghans with the Ewoks. The Afghans were people with guns. But the Ewoks were little teddy bears with sticks and stones. Not the same. Plus the Afghans only drove the Soviets out. They didn't topple the Soviet Empire.

I don't understand how the Soviets could invade Nazi Germany successfully by pouring in millions of troops but they couldn't do that with Afghanistan?

How did the US conquer Afghanistan in a few days?
Actually during the Zulu Wars in Africa in 1879, hordes of Zulu warriors did defeat British army regiments, which was a surprising upset. They used speaks and clubs to defeat British troops with rifles. Here is a documentary about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgFwzyfg6wY

There is a movie about it with Michael Caine called "Zulu".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meH1Y0tdzLk
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Post by Winston » September 12th, 2014, 12:34 am

Do any of you remember something?

When Star Wars came out in 1977, it played in movie theaters for years without coming out on VHS or Beta. As I remember, it didn't come out on VHS and Beta until 1983 or 1984.

But today's movies come out on DVD a few months after they are released. Why is that?

When Star Wars was released on VHS, I remember it sold for $70 a copy! Can you believe that? It was like gold. I wanted it more than anything. No movie today is like that.
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Post by momopi » September 12th, 2014, 6:43 am

We used to own a video rental store and, in early days "new release" movies in the 1980s retailed for $60-$80 on VHS. However the value dropped quickly as time passed. They were able to charge the higher prices to video rental stores that rented them out for a profit.

In those days I had an Amiga 1000 with A1300 genlock, hooked up to 2 VCR's for subtitle work. It was later replaced with A2000, SuperGen 2000S, and Pioneer LD player. My SVHS subtitled masters were used for Anime Expo show rooms.

Unfortunately LD's suffered from "rot" as the glue used in the discs did not last. I kept a few LD's as mementos and donated most to my Japanese translators. I don't even own LD player anymore. I did used to own Star Wars on LD and gave them away about 14 years ago. I still have a Panasonic AG 5710 SVHS VCR and a box of SVHS tapes, though most of my VHS/SVHS collection have gone into the recycle bin.

Star Wars is "science fantasy" space opera, as fantasy it's about as logical as flying dragons, casting spells, and throwing fireballs from your fingers. If you watched Legends of Galactic Heroes, it's like space ship combat with WWI and WW2 tactics in space. If you're bored enough to poke holes at it, you know you've spent too much time in front of the TV. Here's a hint: your brain turns of mush when watching TV, but it's less mushy if you watch subtitled shows in a foreign language.


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Re: My list of logic flaws in the Star Wars Trilogy

Post by Winston » May 16th, 2015, 5:54 pm

Here is a documentary about how Star Wars fans hate George Lucas. It's called:

The People Versus George Lucas

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