Logic flaws in the Star Wars Trilogy (long list)

[Winston]

I never noticed these plot holes as a child watching Star Wars, but now I do.

- When the Death Star approached Yavin to destroy the Rebel Base, why didn't it bring the Imperial fleet with it as back up? Even after the Death Star was destroyed, the fleet could have still destroyed the Rebel Base.

Plus, it was kind of stupid for the Empire to bring the Death Star to the Rebel Base, since they know that the Rebels might find a weakness in it and destroy it. They could have just sent a fleet of destroyers, which would have been enough to destroy the Rebel Base. There was no need to try to destroy the entire planet.

- If one could find a weakness in the Death Star by simply studying its data tapes that would destroy it, then why didn't the Empire scan its own Death Star first and find this weakness so that they can cover it up or block the chain reaction from happening? Makes no sense.

- Can Solo fire shots from the Millenium Falcon from the cockpit alone? Or does he need to go up to the guns at the top and bottom of his ship? How was he able to destroy the tie fighter at the end?

- When Vader locked Luke's X-Wing on target, he fired a few shots, at the same time that Han came to save the day. What happened to those *beep* Didn't they hit since they were locked on target?

More plotholes:

During the Death Star rescue, when the whole station knew Han, Leia and Luke were on the run toward the Falcon, why didn't the Imperials just take away the Falcon or deactivate it or haul it off so that they had no escape?

Did they really let them get away on purpose?

Plus, when Han was chasing the squad of stormtroopers down the hall, why did they run from him? There was no logical reason for them to run or think they were outnumbered. Plus, stormtroopers don't usually care if they get killed and do not fear their enemies, so they would not usually run away. They usually stand and fight regardless.

[Winston]

BTW, did you all notice the numerous plot holes in Return of the Jedi as well?

I mean, sheesh, where can I begin? They are too numerous to even count.

Why didn't the Emperor finish the new Death Star on Coruscant first, his home base, where it would have been safest, before launching it into space? Why leave it vulnerable out in the Endor system open to attack? That was dumb and made no sense.

In fact, the Emperor committed many reckless strategic blunders in ROTJ. Why did he have to be on the Death Star and expose himself to attack? It wasn't necessary and his presence there added nothing.

And why did the Death Star need a shield generator? Why couldn't this generator be placed inside the Death Star and launch the shield from within? Or be mounted on a Star Destroyer nearby? This was such a hokey plot.

And how can a big flagship like the Executioner go down just by one fighter taking out its bridge. That's how you take out a huge warship? Gimme a break.

And again, how can you destroy a whole Death Star just by blowing up one thing inside. That's lame. Why didn't they just seal off the tunnels inside the Death Star during the attack?

Also, when the new Death Star blew up (hurray... NOT!) where was the rest of the huge Imperial Fleet? Surely the Rebels couldn't have destroyed it. We only see on star destroyer blown up and and the flagship Executioner. What happened to the rest of the ships? Since both the Rebels and the Imperials agree that the Rebel fleet is no match for the Imperial fleet in a head to head battle, how can the Imperial fleet just vanish? Surely it would have finished off the Rebel fleet even after the Death Star was destroyed.

Did Lucas pull a David Copperfield act and vanish the whole Imperial Fleet?

Oh I get it. The Imperial fleet was told to stay put and do nothing, so the Death Star could destroy the Rebel ships one by one while Luke suffers and turns to the Dark Side. That was the Emperor's plan. How stupid. The Emperor in ROTJ is just about as stupid as Anakin was in ROTS.

My God, this ridiculous ending and turn of events in ROTJ almost ruin the whole Star Wars trilogy. ROTF was a total disgrace to Star Wars. Only the magic and childhood wonder concept of Star Wars has saved it up to this point.

It seemed that Lucas was in such a rush to finish off the Empire that he turned it into a cartoon at the end.

A more plausible and realistic way to finish off the Empire would have been to have a sort of D-Day large scale invasion, like in WWII. That's how I've always imagined it. Or have a coup from INSIDE the Empire take over or split it up into factions til it became too weak to hold together. Or get gradually weaker until it's no longer powerful. Etc. That's how Empires go down in real life. Not in a cartoon like manner where every big ship goes down for nothing and blowing up one thing ends it all.

Yeah right. I hate movies where all the hero does it blow up one central computer or central host and then all the villains and their ships and armies and robots collapse. Those are always the lamest type of movies. Yet most fantasy movies end that way.

Oh and that scene with Jabba the Hut was horrible. How can Princess Leia have the strength to choke him to death. Get real. And no one helps him either? He could have squashed her any time.

And how can a skilled fierce bounty hunter with lightning reflexes like Boba Fett get killed by an accident like Solo accidentally hitting his jet pack. That was so gay and totally denigrated the mystic and power of Boba Fett.

Then, when Boba Fett fell off and hit the sand slope near the monster pit, he did not have to fall into the pit. ANYONE who's been to a sand dune knows that when you are on a sand slope, you instantly stop. You do not roll down. To continue rolling down, you have to EXERT EFFORT in making yourself roll down. And even if you were moving a high velocity when you hit the slope, you could still easily break the roll down a sandy slope with just one hand or arm. Sand is not slippery like that. ANY fool that's been to a sand dune and tried to slide down can tell you that. A sand dune is not like ice. You do not roll down a sand slope unless you are trying to do so.

I found this out when I was in Great Sand Dunes in Colorado.

Why couldn't Lucas find a better end to Boba Fett than that? Does Lucas actually watch this scene and think it's great? My God. He must be demented. The idiot can't distinguish the difference between ice and sand. Maybe he thinks fire is safe to touch too? It wouldn't surprise me.

My God Lucas...... You are such a disgrace to the Star Wars characters.

I mean, nerds are usually intelligent, but Lucas is a dumb nerd who is in his own world and does not see the bigger picture and lacks insight as well as common sense.

[Winston]

Here's a funny read.


http://www.cracked.com/article_16570_6- ... -endings-i n-movie-history.html

The "Happy" Ending:

The evil Emperor Palpatine hatches a plan to defeat the Rebellion once and for all by telling them the location of his unfinished superweapon and then telling them how to defeat it. This plan goes about exactly as well as you would expect, and our heroes destroy the evil scourge with the help of some genocidal teddy bears.

Wait a Minute...

That epic battle at the end there? That only destroyed one base and a fraction of the troops the Empire had at its disposal. Sure, Vader and the Emperor were both blown up, but that wouldn't destroy the Empire any more than blowing up the Pentagon would dissolve the USA.

What it does do is create a horrific power vacuum, in an empire with fleets of Star Destroyers and millions of pissed-off troops roving around the galaxy (even more pissed off if the payroll office and all of their checks were in the Death Star).

Soon these power-hungry military officers would no doubt form factions and destroy entire planets in their brutal attempts to seize power. Eventually Palpatine would simply be replaced by a new Emperor, possibly even one competent enough to devise a plan that can't be foiled by developmentally stunted bears throwing rocks.

Sure, the Death Star was taken out, but that didn't exactly stop them last time. Not to mention that by the time they reach phase twenty-six of their patented "Let's just throw Death Stars at the problem until it goes away" strategy, [below] someone's probably going to decide that maybe the ship doesn't really need an unguarded, torpedo-shaped hole on the outside, thus allowing the Empire to swiftly conquer the entire universe.

[Master]

What Can I say? When you said I in the post it seemed you were talking about episode 1.


Seems like your a big fan of Star Wars. What did you expect? These films are intended for juvenile fans, kids. If you actually the creation of these things you wont stop laughing. George lucas has the brain of an ape.

[FuzzX]

Ok Winston in answer to your questions

1. The complete Death Star had an entire fleet of tie fighters, gun boats, drop ships and probably even a few star destroyers docked inside of it. Not to mention it had near impenertrable shields and thousands of turbolasers... plus it had its own hyperspace drive, so why bother expending all the fuel from launched ships when one can jump the whole fleet.

2. The empire did not know about the weakness and when they did find out, their own ignorance led to their demise... think of the common north american man overlooking the fact that where a woman comes from improves his chances 1000 to 1. People... typically empires get sloppy and stupid and it only takes a few well organized rebels to make the change the universe needs.

3. How easy is it to hide on a planet? I'd say pretty darn easy... imagine if one of those rebels hid himself away on yavin... he could bring down the whole empire... I mean luke skywalker, han solo, lando calrissian and a group of ewoks managed to pretty much clean up the second deathstar.... the only solution would be to vaporize the whole planet, not to mention making an example for the galactic news media.

4. The millenium Falcon is equipped with two missle tubes in the middle of the ship... those can be fired from the cockpit and both turbo laser batteries can be fired aswell but must be targeted manually while piloting or by hooking them up to the ships computer, so if you are a good enough pilot you can probably take down a ship at the same time.

5. Vader's over confidence made him sloppy.

6. Because Obiwan had deactivated the tractor beam and a few other things on that bridge... plus I'm sure Han would have installed some remote starter. I don't think the imperials had put two and two together at that point because if you recall they didn't find a crew aboard the falcon when they searched it so they may have assumed it was just space junk.. also the escape pods had been jettisoned so they would naturally assume that the crew had tried to escape prior to arrival. ON THE OTHER HAND IF THE IMPERIALS KNEW ABOUT THE RESCUE #7.

7. They knew that skywalker and his friends were there to rescue leia... they wanted to locate the Yavin base. They knew Leia lied to them about the location of the rebel base and the only way they could find out would be to let a crew come aboard and pull off a 'rescue'.

8. A guy with a gun can be pretty damn initimidating, especially a guy like Han Solo... with a wookie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njZWWkFEC80 (excuse the spanish) He blows a trooper away and then advances... I think your first instinct would be to run.

[FuzzX]

Addressing the plot holes in JEDI:

1. The Death Star WAS finished and was actually bigger than the first one... it was built that way to make the rebels think that it was under construction (the emperor mentions this when he blows away the first calamari cruiser).

2. The emp was on the Deathstar to convert Luke...remember that Vader 'captured' him on Endor.

3. The Shield generator was pretty massive and it was an excellent way to capture the remaining rebels, which is what happened... the imperials didn't count on the local flora and fauna lending a hand. Also having the MAIN shield generator on a planet would make more sense when protecting the Death Star from space based attacks (ala ep 4)... The tiefighters could bullseye anyone trying to get into the atmosphere and knock out the generator.

4. The Executor happened to be close to the deathstar at the time, everyone was panicking. When the bridge went out its likely there was very little command structure and may have caused different chains of command to give contradictory orders to the 'remaining bridge pilots'. You have to remember that over confidence is a theme in all imperial ships including the death star and tie fighters (which have no shields).

5. Again that was clearly a suicide run and in the original release Lando and the falcon were destroyed... its the same as going up to a pop machine and trying to get a free pop by putting your hand in the dispenser... its more likely your arm will get stuck then you are likely to pull a soda out of one of the places... (I've seen it done only once). Also if you've played any of the games, the walls do close which is why the falcon lost its radar going in. It wouldn't have been possible if the pilots weren't extremely good at their jobs.

6. Likely a bunch of slow moving ships would have been caught in the blast, the remainder would have retreated with no remaining chain of command... I mean 90% of the generals, vader and the emperor were dead... WTF DO WE DO NOW? retreat and re-group... likely more rebel fleets were on their way.

7. Jabba's sail barge was a sinking ship and likely he had more enemies than friends... the first girl tried to choke him and almost succeeded..thats where she got the idea. How could he have squashed her, he was just a fat rich blob... his slaves and lackeys were the only thing holding his empire together.

8. Boba fett was never a major character, the fans made him into something he wasn't supposed to be... Lucas actually CHANGED much of the plot of episode 1,2,3 to suit fans...probably why it sucked so much.. even the ewoks movies were better. Accidents happen to good people, I thought that was great. You can be the best boxer ever and still get beat by a sucker punch.

9. IF he had hit the sand dunes on a flat surface, but it was a pit and he was falling, the force of the impact and the angle of attack would have made him roll downwards... also his jet pack was on and he was facing downwards. Bobafett was always supposed to be a minor character. Christ even DOG the real bounty hunter fvcks up once in awhile.


Sorry winston I disagree.. these three films were excellent and so well done.. you are just being overly critical. The problem with nerds is many of them lack imagination, that's why they're not called artists .

[FuzzX]

The Happy Ending

1. There are plenty of imperial and rebel forces left over... thats why there are so many games, books, campaigns and comics that address the stories that happen afterwards... its a completely open ended universe and leaves alot to be expanded on, that's why Star Wars is so epic, Lucas never explains away the mystery of the star wars universe like so many other films... I mean the fact that I can answer your questions with logic means the movie was well done.

Soon these power-hungry military officers would no doubt form factions and destroy entire planets in their brutal attempts to seize power. Eventually Palpatine would simply be replaced by a new Emperor, possibly even one competent enough to devise a plan that can't be foiled by developmentally stunted bears throwing rocks.

Read HEIR TO THE EMPIRE... this is exactly what happens.

The new book series really kicks ass btw... Aliens (Yuuzhan Vong) from outside the universe come in with technology that is completely organic and doesn't respond to laser attacks... very similar to the movie ALIENS and both the imperial remenant and the new republic have to band together.. plus the new jedis are a blend of dark and light side and the story of the skywalker and the solo blood line continue...the expanded universe is great. If Lucas makes any more films I really think he should do it on these books...there is alot of good material.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Jedi_Order

[Winston]

Here is my complete list of logic flaws and errors in the Star Wars Trilogy. Gee, don't I have too much time on my hands? lol

Logic Flaws in the Star Wars Trilogy (long)

You don't notice these things as a kid, but as a critical thinking adult, they become obvious to you. Here is a long thorough list of plotholes and logic flaws in the original Star Wars trilogy that defy basic logic and common sense. Feel free to add any of your own.

Star Wars A New Hope

- When the Falcon was captured by the Death Star tractor beam, and the Imperials found it empty because Han and his party were hiding in the smuggling compartments, why didn't the Imperials use their life form detection devices, like on Star Trek? They should have such capabilities, since at the beginning of the movie, when C3PO and R2D2 were in the escape pod fleeing the captured Rebel cruiser, the Star Destroyer personnel said, "There goes another one. Wait, hold your fire. There's no life forms. It must have short circuited." Then later an Imperial officer told Vader aboard the captured Rebel cruiser, "An escape pod was jettisoned during the fighting. But no life forms were aboard." This indicated that the Imperials did have life form detection capability. So why wasn't it used on the Falcon in the Death Star?

Furthermore, the pilot of the Tie Fighter that the Falcon was chasing to the Death Star should have reported that the Falcon was following it like a manned craft, not like a ship on automatic pilot, which should have told the Imperials that there were pilots on board.

- Before the Falcon was captured by the Death Star, Governor Tarkin ordered his Imperial officers to execute Princess Leia immediately, after she lied to them about the location of the Rebel base. So how could Han, Luke, Ben and Chewie have so much time to sneak into the Death Star and rescue Princess Leia, if she was scheduled to be "executed immediately"? I guess "immediately" must be a long time in the Star Wars universe. lol

- There was no reason why the Death Star personnel would let Han, Luke, Leia, Chewie and the droids escape on the Millenium Falcon. They could have easily deactivated the ship or hauled it away, rather than leaving it intact and operable in the hangar bay with only a few guards around it. That is too contrived and convenient.

- When our heroes went down into the trash compactor room on the Death Star, after the shootout in the prison bay, the Imperials obviously knew they were down there, since they disappeared and blew open the trash chute. So when they set the walls of the trash compactor to close in on them, and R2D2 managed to stop it and open the exit door, there should have been guards outside the door to immediately capture them, since their location was already known. But there weren't. That was never explained.

- When the Falcon escaped the Death Star, even though the tractor beam was deactivated, the Death Star could still have easily shot it out of space, or immediately sent fighters to destroy it. There's no way a gigantic space station could be that easy to escape from. It should have many things in its arsenal besides its tractor beam.

- In a military space station, areas where you can deactivate things should not be so easy to get into. They are usually locked and heavily guarded. So Ben Kenobi should not have been able to get to that control panel to deactivate the tractor beam that easily, by simply walking through a hallway and out onto a balcony.

- During the light saber duel between Ben Kenobi and Darth Vader, Kenobi gives up when a few stormtroopers arrive and point their weapons at him, and lets Vader slay him and vanishes. There was no reason for him to give up like that. In the prequels, Jedis can deflect lasers with their light sabers very easily, like a routine breeze in the wind. If Kenobi could deflect lasers so easily during his youth, there was no reason why he couldn't do it again in that scene and continue to fight Vader, or flee and rejoin Han's party in their escape. His sacrifice seemed senseless. Furthermore, he was in a personal duel with Vader and the stormtroopers were not supposed to interfere.

- Furthermore, during that same duel with Vader, Kenobi's light saber suddenly turns into a glass stick, revealing the prop that it was. That scene should have been cut out, but was left in for some reason.

- The stolen data tapes of the Death Star that the Imperials were after the whole movie made no sense. If the Rebels can analyze it and find a weakness in the Death Star so quickly and easily, why couldn't the Imperials have done the same long ago? I mean, what's to stop them from analyzing the technical blueprint of their own Death Star, finding the same weakness in the exhaust port, and plugging it up or fixing it so that it doesn't cause a chain reaction? A simple realignment or plugging of the pipes could have easily fixed the problem. This was never explained, of course, because obviously, if they had done that, the Rebels would have had no chance. lol

Since there was no logical reason to believe that the Rebels were more technologically advanced than the Imperials were, the Imperials should therefore have been able to discover this weakness in the Death Star long ago and fixed it. Then there would have been no need to chase the Rebel cruiser at the beginning to try to retrieve the stolen data tapes. The Death Star would have been invincible and the Rebels would have had no chance, and the movie would have sucked I guess. lol

- When the Falcon escaped from the Death Star, Leia tells Han, "They let us go. They're tracking us." So that means that Leia was knowingly leading the Death Star to the Rebel Base. Yet she seemed unsure though hopeful about whether the stolen data plans would reveal a weakness in the Death Star. So why would she willing take such a huge gamble, knowing that if she lost, then the whole Rebel base would be destroyed? How could her conscience and allegiance to the Rebel Alliance let her do that?

- When the Death Star headed for the Rebel base on one of Yavin's moons by tracking the Falcon, there was no reason for it to stay around and risk itself. Once it found the location of the Rebel base, it could have sent out thousands of fighters to destroy the Rebel base, or dispatched ground troops to capture it, or called the Imperial fleet to destroy it, and then fled the scene out of harm's way. There was no need to try to destroy the entire moon that the base was on, to destroy the Rebel base, and incur risk upon itself. Since the Imperials knew that the Rebels were planning to find a weakness in the stolen data tapes that could destroy the Death Star, they knew that the Death Star was at risk, so they should have had it flee and jump into hyperspace, as soon as the location of the Rebel base was discovered.

Furthermore, the Imperial fleet should have followed the Death Star for protection and backup, in case the Rebels succeeded in destroying the Death Star. There was no reason not to have the Imperial fleet tag along in this huge pivotal battle that could end the war and the Rebellion.

- After the Death Star was destroyed, the Imperial fleet should have arrived and finished off the Rebel base. Yet, at the end of the movie, the Rebels have enough time for a relaxing medal of honor ceremony for Han and Luke. In it, they do not look like they are in a rush to leave at all, before the Imperial fleet arrives.

- If Darth Vader was Luke's father, then why did Vader try to shoot Luke down during the Death Star trench run? Couldn't he feel that Luke was his son, using the Force?

- During the trench run, Vader locked onto Luke's fighter and fired his lasers. They should have hit Luke's X-Wing and destroyed it, just as it did to the other fighters. Yet Luke's fighter was not hit and it was never explained why. Instead, Han's Falcon comes and destroys one of Vader's guard Tie Fighters, and knocks out the other, hurling Vader's fighter into space. But no explanation or cause for Vader's miss was given.

Also, the Death Star should have had thousands of Tie Fighters and cannons protecting it during this battle, so Han's ship should not have been able to approach the Death Star and enter its trenches so easily. You can't approach a giant technologically advanced space station the size of a moon that easily. Its cannons and defenses should easily be able to blow targets out of the space around it.

- A space station the size of a moon ought to have thousands of fighters, not just a dozen like was shown in this movie.

- When the X-Wing squadron approached the Death Star, it was very gradual. It took time for them to get to it, and then into the trenches. Yet, after Luke successfully fires into the exhaust port, he, Han, and a few other fighters, suddenly flee and get really far away from the Death Star, in just a few seconds, so that they are safely out of range when it blows up. If they can get that far in a few seconds, why didn't the whole Rebel squadron get into the trenches in just a few seconds when it was arriving too? And again, the Death Star should have had countless laser canons and missiles which should have blown away the escaping fighters anyway.

- On Tatooine, there was no reason for the stormtroopers to have killed Luke's Uncle and Aunt that he lived with and worked for. If they wanted those two droids and the stolen data plans they carried, which was traced to their home, they would have held his Uncle and Aunt hostage until Luke returned and surrendered the droids. That would have been the logical move. But killing them and then moving on was senseless. It accomplished nothing and did not help their objective. I guess Lucas was in a rush to cut off Luke's remaining obligations to his relatives on Tatooine so he could go away with Kenobi and join the Rebellion. And when Lucas is in a rush, any senseless thing will suffice. That seems to be the pattern.

The Empire Strikes Back

- At the beginning of the film, Han Solo tells Leia and the General that he has to leave because he's still a wanted man being tracked by bounty hunters. But at the end of the first Star Wars film, Han had collected his reward for rescuing Princess Leia, and said that he was going to use it to pay off his debts to Jabba the Hutt. If he did that, then why is he still a wanted man at the beginning of Empire Strikes Back? That should have been explained, but it wasn't.

- When Luke escapes the Wampa cave on Hoth, he turns on his light saber and cuts off the Wampa creature's arm. Then he runs outside in the snow storm to slowly freeze to death until Han rescues him and digs a shelter. However, wouldn't it have been far safer for Luke to just finish off the Wampa creature with his lightsaber, so that he could use its cave as shelter, rather than go out and risk freezing to death? That Wampa was clearly no match for his light saber.

- During the Hoth battle scene, the Imperial Snow Walkers' armor hull was impenetrable to laser fire from the Rebel Snow Speeders. Luke says after firing at it, "That armor's too strong for blasters. Use harpoons and tow cables. That might be our only chance of stopping them." Yet when one of the Snow Walkers collapses after its legs were tied up by harpoon cables from a Snow Speeder, another Snow Speeder flew over it, shot the top part of it, and blew it up. Now, if you can blow up a Snow Walker just by shooting the top of it, then why didn't they do that earlier, instead of saying that their armor was too strong for their blasters and that they had to use harpoon cables? Huh?

- When Luke's Snow Speeder crashed, he got out and pulled himself up to the underbelly of a Snow Walker to throw a bomb/grenade into it. Then he detached the cable he was dangling from, and fell straight to the ground from a great height. How could he fall straight down from that high up, which we clearly saw, and not get injured or killed? Instead, he gets up and walks back to the Rebel Base to get into his X-Wing as though he were unharmed.

- When the Imperial fleet attacked the Rebel base on Hoth, most of the Rebels ended up escaping in transport ships, even though Hoth was surrounded by the Imperial fleet. These transport ships should have been destroyed or captured. Yet they all just slipped past the fleet, after one Rebel ion cannon disabled one Imperial Star Destroyer? WTF? Or could it be that that one ion cannon disabled the whole Imperial fleet? If it could do that, then why did they need to evacuate Hoth? They could have just kept firing with it to smash up the whole Imperial fleet.

Furthermore, the huge Imperial flagship Executor, which Vader was in, was also above Hoth. Since it looked to be the size of at least ten Star Destroyers, how would the ion cannon disable that? And how could all the Rebel transports get past that and all the Star Destroyers alongside it?

- If the ion cannon of the Rebel base was powerful enough to take out Star Destroyers all the way out in space, then why didn't the Rebels just point it at the giant Snow Walkers approaching the base on the ground? It should easily have taken out the Snow Walkers and made it difficult or impossible for the Empire to attack the base by ground. Furthermore, if the Rebel base was protected by an impenetrable force field, as the Imperial officer told Vader, then how could the ion canon fire through it? I've never heard of a "one-way force field" before. lol

- In the original Star Wars movie, it was established that fighters cannot go too far out into space on their own, when Han Solo said that the Tie Fighter they were following, headed for the Death Star, could not have gotten so far into space on its own. Furthermore, the X-Wings were shown to be fueling in the Rebel base hangar bay before the Death Star attack. So how then, in Empire Strikes Back, did Luke's X-Wing go from Hoth to Dagobah, and then all the way to Cloud City? Where did it refuel?

- Also, the Falcon's hyperdrive was inoperative until the end of the movie. So how did it travel all the way from Hoth to the asteroid belt and then to Cloud City on its jet engines or sublight speed alone? Wouldn't that have taken thousands or millions of years? lol. Star systems are usually many light years apart, so the Falcon would have had to travel at faster than light to get to other star systems. But if it's only traveling on jet propulsion, wouldn't it have taken forever, beyond a human lifetime?

- As in the first Star Wars movie, when the Imperials captured the Falcon at Cloud City, why did they leave it operable and unguarded? Why didn't they deactivate it or haul it away? Didn't they learn from their mistake in the first movie when they escaped the Death Star so easily? Or did Darth Vader have amnesia? lol. How convenient of the Imperials to always leave the Falcon operable and virtually unguarded so that our heroes can jump into it and escape. They've done it twice now.

When they left Cloud City, Vader asked the Imperial officer if his men deactivated the hyperdrive on the Millenium Falcon, and he says yes. But why would they only deactivate the hyperdrive rather than the whole ship itself? What kind of dumbass strategy was that? Furthermore, why didn't they put a tracking device on the Falcon, like they did in the first Star Wars movie, so that they could track it all the way to the Rebel base or fleet again?

Also, when Lando, Leia, Chewie and the droids were escaping Cloud City and shooting at the stormtroopers, the Imperials should have known that they would head for the Falcon and either guard it, haul it away, or render it inoperable. Then Lando would have had to direct them to another ship for their getaway.

- Chewbacca was huge and moved slowly. So how could any stormtrooper repeatedly fail to hit him? Hitting him should be as easy as hitting a big door.

- After Han and his party in the Falcon left the asteroid belt and the monster inside one of them, why didn't they simply catch up to the Rebel fleet, instead of going to Cloud City for repairs and risking what might happen there? Obviously they must have known where the Rebel fleet was, since Leia and Lando went directly to it after escaping Cloud City. If their inoperable hyperdrive wouldn't allow that, then how did it allow them to go all the way to Cloud City, which must have been light years away? Or why couldn't they have called the Rebel fleet and asked to be picked up?

- If Anakin Skywalker created C3PO, as revealed in the first prequel, then why didn't Vader recognize his own creation when he saw him on Cloud City and in the carbon freezing chamber?

- If Vader could sense through the Force that Luke is his son, then why didn't he recognize Leia as his daughter in the first two movies when he encountered her?

Return of the Jedi

Oh boy, this movie, which I consider the worst of the trilogy, has so many flaws and blunders that listing them is going to be tedious. Nothing made sense in this movie. So here it goes...

- The beginning part was stupid. Why would Jabba the Hut keep Han Solo frozen? If you want revenge on someone, you don't keep them asleep. You wake them up and punish them and torture them. Or you make them repay their debts and then either release them, kill them, or torture them, depending on the score you want to settle.

- And why would Jabba keep Han, Leia and Luke prisoner so he could take them out into the desert and throw them into that mouth pit? Why not just execute them on the spot or imprison them? Why take such a chance so that they could escape?

- During the battle on the barge, why did Bobba Fett hit the sand dune and then roll into the mouth pit? Sand is not ice. You do not slide down it against your will. Anyone who has walked on a sand dune or tried to roll down one knows that you have to MAKE yourself roll down one. You do not slide down one like ice. When you hit a sand dune, you immediately stop. You do not roll down unless you make the effort to roll down. It looks like Lucas doesn't know anything about sand. Or he just wants the movie to be stupid.

- Why would Bobba Fett not take out Han Solo first, who is right next to him, rather than Luke? A blind Han Solo would be easy to take out in a second. Instead, he ignores Han and concentrates on Luke, while Han accidentally hits Bobba Fett's jet pack with some pole, causing it to ignite and propel him into the sand dune for that unrealistic roll into the mouth pit mentioned above. A great fighter or bounty hunter does not get defeated by an accidental move from a blind man. That's silly and has never happened in history. It's also a cheap insult on the villains too.

- How can Luke stand in the middle of the barge in broad daylight, surrounded by enemies, and not get hit? Anyone can shoot him from behind. A light saber does not provide 360 degree protection.

- How did Leia choke Jabba the Hutt to death with chains so easily? He was huge. How could he be that weak to have a woman choke him so easily? Furthermore, why would Jabba tie chains around himself so that anyone can choke him with it, including his female slave Leia? Also, wouldn't a super powerful gangster whom everyone feared (including Solo) like Jabba the Hut have some body guards around him?

Also, if Jabba the Hutt was that easy to kill, then why was Solo running from him during the first two films and acting afraid of him? Why run in fear from someone who is super easy to kill? lol

- Why would firing the barge's deck gun at the barge's deck destroy the whole barge and explode it? Why would Jabba have a barge that was so easy to blow up with just one shot from its own deck gun? That is way too contrived. It seems that this movie was designed for the brainless.

- When Luke returns to Dagobah to complete his Jedi training with Yoda, Yoda tells him that he does not need any more training, and that he must face Vader again to become a fully trained Jedi. How can this be? When he left Yoda and Ben's apparition in Empire Strikes Back, they said that he still needed a lot more training. How did Luke suddenly excel so far that he didn't need it anymore? One might think that his experience with Vader on Cloud City accelerated his training. However, that doesn't make sense. He got his ass whipped by Vader, his hand cut off, and suffered an emotional shock from learning that Vader was his father. How does that make up for missing training? Sure he resisted Vader's temptation to join him. But that shouldn't make up for any missed training either. Plus, in his previous training, Luke failed his test in the cave when he slew a phantom image of Darth Vader, which indicated that he still had a lot to learn. It just doesn't add up.

Next, the whole Death Star/Endor battle scene was ridiculous and senseless. It was like a cartoon. I guess you don't have to have common sense to be a movie director.

- Why would the new Death Star need to have a shield generator outside of it? Ships and space stations usually have shields generated from the INSIDE, not outside. Why would they have a shield generated outside, which could be easily destroyed? Furthermore, why would the Emperor place himself in a Death Star that was so easy to destroy?

- The Rebel strategy for taking out the shield generator was nonexistent. Why send a small assault team to try to take it out, not knowing what would happen or how heavily guarded it was or even how to get into it? There was no real plan or basis for this strategy. I mean, what if they arrived and the shield generator was heavily guarded by an army and had many exterior guns? What would their small assault team do then? Try to take them out in a shootout? Infiltrate them? Recruit wild animals? lol. They simply had no real reliable plan. Yet they banked the survival of the whole Rebel fleet and the outcome of the war, on this one ground mission which technically had no chance of succeeding?! WTF? That was weird.

Yet in spite of this, Lando kept telling Admiral Ackbar to have faith in Han completing his mission and getting that shield down, when there was no logical basis for such faith, as explained above. So, the survival of the whole Rebel fleet was at stake and they were banking on Han's small assault team taking out a heavily guarded shield generator with no strategy or method? WTF? That sounds suicidal to me. No one would rely on such a strategy or bank a whole war on it.

It would have been more quick and efficient to simply fire missiles at the shield generator to take it out, or try to use fighters to secretly attack and destroy it. But oh wait, I guess if they did that, then our heroes wouldn't have had the opportunity to meet those stupid Ewoks, and the film wouldn't have appealed to children. lol

- When Han and the Rebel assault team in the shuttle transmitted the clearance code to the Imperial fleet to get to Endor, Vader sensed that his son Luke was on board the shuttle. He even told the Emperor about it afterward. So he knew right there that there was a Rebel assault force in the shuttle. Yet he let the shuttle land anyway. That was a huge tactical blunder that made no sense, and cost the Empire the whole war. Why would he let them land and put the shield generator at risk? Why not immediately capture the shuttle and take his son to the Emperor to be converted, if that was his plan? Or put the tractor beam on them without warning? Why bank on Luke coming to Vader of his own will on Endor, if he didn't have to, and could have captured them right there? Vader's decision to allow the shuttle to land was completely baseless and reckless. It also cost the Empire the whole war. Antagonists always do the stupidest things.

- The battle on Endor was ridiculous, goofy and impossible. The Ewoks had no chance against the stormtroopers. How could the Ewok arrows pierce the armor of the stormtroopers? If their armor can't stop arrows and stones, then what's the point of them wearing it, which slows down their movement and heats them up (unless there is a cooling system inside)? Arrows are no match for laser blasters and walking machines.

- In fact, what was the point of the stormtroopers wearing all that white armor over their whole body? I mean, it did not protect them against laser blasts, nor did it protect them against the Ewoks' arrows. So what was the point of wearing it? It only slowed them down, impeded their mobility and flexibility, and required cooling units inside. It seemed like a lot of trouble for nothing. The Empire does not seem very efficient. Why not just have the stormtroopers wear the gear and outfits that standard army soldiers wear, or that SWAT teams wear with bullet proof vests? That white armor that covered their whole body did not provide any advantages, only disadvantages.

Plus, didn't Luke say in the first Star Wars movie when he was wearing stormtrooper armor that, "I can't see a thing in this"? If the stormtroopers couldn't see well in that armor, then what's the point of wearing it? What kind of Empire puts helmets on their troops that interferes with their vision? lol. Wouldn't such an Empire that inefficient be unable to have conquered so many star systems? lol.

Also, I gotta wonder how those stormtroopers take a piss or shit or even go to sleep. Do they remove all that armor every night? lol

- Swinging logs cannot destroy the metal hull of AT Walkers like paper. Metal does not collapse like paper from colliding with logs. On Hoth, when giant Snow Walkers were deployed, their armor was impenetrable to the lasers of the Rebel Snow Speeders, which means they must be pretty tough. So, if the little AT Walkers had similar armor, then there's no way swinging logs could crush them like paper.

- Speaking of Snow Walkers, one was seen in this film at night on Endor, in the scene where Luke surrenders himself to Vader. However, it was never used during the battle of Endor. I wonder why. Since its armor was impenetrable to lasers, there's no way the Ewoks could have done anything to it (except maybe tie a rope around its legs to topple it like the Snow Speeders did in Empire Strikes Back). It would also have kept the shield generator protected from Solo and his assault team. Now, one might suppose that it wasn't used because it was too big to walk around the forest fighting the Ewoks. But if that's so, then what was it doing there in the first place? At least it could have guarded the shield generator, so clowns like Solo couldn't get to it.

- When Han and his party were captured by the stormtroopers at the shield generator, there was no need to take them outside to stand around. What was the point of that? To have them look at all the stormtroopers and gloat in their defeat? Why didn't they just execute them, and eliminate the risk that threatened their whole war?

- During the shootout outside the shield generator, Han and Leia stood in the corner of the closed doorway of the shield generator, totally unprotected and exposed in the open. They were no more protected than if one were to stand in the corner of an open room. This means that they were sitting ducks and anyone could have shot them. Yet none of the stormtroopers hiding in the forest could hit them?! WTF? That is unbelievable and implausible. They should have been easily gunned down in seconds. I guess Lucas expects us to subdue reason and believe that two people standing out in the open cannot get hit by trained military soldiers surrounding them. Uh huh.

- When Leia was hit in the shoulder during the shootout outside the shield generator, Han gets distracted and the stormtroopers come up behind them and order them to surrender, which they get out of after Leia just shoots them down. Yeah right. Again, why didn't the stormtroopers just shoot them when they had the chance, since they posed a high risk and threat to the shield generator, on which the whole war hinged on? They should have immediately shot Solo in the back and finished them both. I guess the Empire just wasn't meant to win...

- The way Han Solo and his party finally capture the shield generator defied basic logic. Han poses as an AT Walker driver, using a captured AT Walker, and asks the shield generator personnel to send reinforcements to pursue the fleeing Ewoks and Rebels. When reinforcements are sent out, they are immediately ambushed and captured, and the door is left open for Han and his party to enter into the shield generator and blow it up. Now, there are a number of obvious problems with this:

First, why would an AT Walker driver be giving orders to the personnel of the shield generator? He takes orders. He doesn't give them. And the personnel in the generator should have refused his request anyway, for the next reason.

Second, the shield generator personnel's primary duty was to protect the shield generator and keep it running. It was their highest priority, since the whole war with the Rebels hinged on the shield generator's protection of the Death Star (well according to the logic of this movie that is). Therefore, there was no sense in sending out most of the personnel inside out to chase Ewoks and Rebels deep in the woods, leaving the shield generator unprotected and undermanned, when their primary duty was to protect it. That made zero sense and was a suicidal move.

Logically, the shield generator manager should have replied to Han's request with the following, "That won't be necessary. Just let them go and return to the shield generator to help guard it. The protection of the generator is our highest priority right now."

At that point, Han would have no way to get into the shield generator except by trying to destroy it with the AT Walker, or placing the explosive charges on the outside of the generator. But then again, shouldn't a crucial shield generator have some exterior weapons, armor or defensive capability, or at least a protective force field of its own?

Third, when the squad of Imperial personnel left the shield generator only to be surrounded by Ewoks, there was no reason for them to surrender. They could have immediately fired their laser weapons at the Ewoks and at Han Solo too. Arrows are no match for laser blasters. If arrows were better, why would anyone be using lasers? lol. And plus, if the Imperial squad knew that giving up the shield generator meant that the Empire would lose the war, wouldn't they have gone for broke anyway and started firing at the Ewoks and Solo? Han's strategy made no sense and should not have worked.

Fourth, the personnel inside the shield generator should have known from watching the battle outside through exterior cameras, and from field reports from their forces outside, that they had lost the battle in the forest, and therefore, should stay in and keep the doors locked to prevent the Rebels from getting in. In that case, Han's cheap trick should have failed and been obvious.

Furthermore, when the Imperial personnel inside the generator saw that the squad sent out was immediately captured, with their security cameras, why didn't they immediately close the door? And why didn't the door close by itself after the squad went outside? Surely the Imperials weren't planning on leaving that crucial door open were they? Geez. Also, how did all those Ewoks get on top of the generator for this stupid ambush? Weren't there security cameras outside that let the Imperials see what's going on outside?

As you can see, the capture of the shield generator contained multiple errors of basic logic. Sheesh. George Lucas must suck at any kind of strategy. If he were a military commander, he'd probably be the worst in history. He probably could not even beat the computer at chess on level one. The strategy and actions used in Return of the Jedi were obviously meant for the most brainless of people.

Next, the space battle above Endor also defied basic logic.

- The Imperial fleet obviously outnumbered, outsized and outgunned the Rebel fleet. Admiral Ackbar even admitted this when he said to Lando, "At that range our ships won't last long against those Star Destroyers." Yet it was never explained why the Imperial fleet didn't finish off the Rebel fleet. Even after the Death Star was destroyed and the Emperor was dead, nothing still prevented them from finishing off the Rebel fleet.

We are expected to assume that after the Emperor died, the entire Empire fled and disbanded. Yeah right. Didn't the Emperor have a successor, or did he plan that after he died, his Empire would be no more? Presidents and Kings have always had successors, to continue their nation or empire.

But either way, even without an Emperor, the Imperials should have finished the Rebels off anyway out of pride and vengeance. That way, they could go home and say, "We lost our new Death Star and Emperor, but we destroyed the entire Rebel fleet and won the war. All we need now is a new Emperor to continue the Empire. Since we successfully crushed the Rebellion, our Emperor did not die in vain." Wouldn't that have been far more honorable and glorious than going home and saying in shame, "We lost our new Death Star and Emperor, so we fled and gave up and lost the war. The Empire is no more."

Um Lucas, hello! Have you ever tried putting yourself in the Empire's shoes? I guess when Lucas wants closure in a movie, he rushes it any way he can, even in the most nonsensical way.

The bottom line is that technically, Return of the Jedi does not bring closure to the saga or end the war with the Empire. Even if the Empire had divided up into factions after the Emperor died, still, with Imperial ships out there that outmatched the Rebel ships, the galaxy was still not safe and neither was the Rebel Alliance. The rest of the Empire still posed a great danger. So the silly war on Endor had not really brought stable peace to the galaxy. Therefore, Lucas goofed in assuming that it did.

- When the Death Star's shield was down, why didn't the Imperials close off the tunnels that the Rebel fighters were flying through to get to the main reactor? Why make it so easy for fighters to fly through the Death Star and blow it up? Haven't the Imperials ever heard of a "door or wall" before?

- The way the Imperial flagship Executor got destroyed by crashing into the Death Star after a Rebel fighter crashed into its bridge, was cheap, cheesy, implausible, and defied the laws of physics, for a number of reasons.

First, you can't destroy a ship the size of the Executor, which looked to be at least ten times the size of a Star Destroyer (based on the scene in Empire Strikes Back when Star Destroyers moved alongside and under it, see here: http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/zs ... choth4.jpg), by simply crashing a fighter into its bridge. Geez. Can you sink an aircraft carrier by simply crashing a fighter plane into its bridge? No, you can't. You have to inflict a lot more damage than that to sink a carrier. So this made no sense.

Second, a huge flagship the size of ten Star Destroyers should have a ton of defensive capabilities, including shields, armor, lasers, backup systems, etc. and should be extremely difficult to destroy or incapacitate. A few outmatched, outnumbered and outgunned Rebel fighters isn't going to take out a thing like that. Come on now. Furthermore, such a ship should have backup navigation systems.

Third, even if you destroy a ship's navigation system (by crashing a fighter into its bridge in this case), it will simply glide onward and eventually get lost in space. It will not fall down like a plane from the sky in Earth's atmosphere. Come on now. Moreover, the Death Star does not produce gravity, and even if it did, it would not be strong enough to pull down a gigantic ship like that. Obviously, Lucas thinks that Earth's sky and space have the same properties and physics, or thinks that we are dumb enough to think that. Either way, he insults the viewer's intelligence.

Again, this scene was made for the stupid and brainless. Lucas obviously has low respect for your intelligence. Either that, or he has low intelligence himself or cheesy taste. I guess when Lucas wants something out of the way, whether it be a Galactic Empire or a flagship the size of ten Star Destroyers, he will do it any way he can, even if it insults your intelligence or is super cheesy. That seems to be his pattern all right.

- When the Death Star's shields were down, and the Rebel fighters were flying through the tunnels toward the main reactor, none of the Imperial personnel contacted the Emperor to tell him to evacuate to his escape pod. Gee I guess they didn't really care about him. Wouldn't the Emperor leave his intercom on, in case his forces lost or the Death Star was in danger, so that he would be notified?

- In the Emperor's room on the Death Star, there is a bottomless pit next to it, so that he can be thrown into it at the end by Darth Vader, who has no other way to kill the Emperor. Gee how convenient. Do rulers and kings like to sit near bottomless pits? Does Julius Caesar or King George sit around bottomless pits while giving out orders, so that someone who wants to assassinate them can simply throw them into it? Well, not in our world. But in the Star Wars universe, I guess they do. How bizarre.

- How could Luke endure the Emperor's lightning attack for so long, and then get up with normal strength afterward, yet Darth Vader only got hit with it for a few seconds while carrying the Emperor into the bottomless pit, and as a result, began dying right after?

- When the Death Star is about to be blown up, Luke takes Vader, his father, from the Emperor's room all the way to hangar bay to flee in a shuttle. Now, how did he get someone as big and heavy as Vader all that way? Did he drag him on the ground? If so, that would take a long time and they would not have escaped in time. Or did he carry him in his arms? If so, that would strain his arms and slow him down. Either way, why didn't any Imperials who saw him arrest or capture him?

- On Endor, when Luke asks Leia, "What do you remember about your mother? Your real mother?" Leia replies that her mother died when she was very young, and that all she remembered was that she was beautiful but sad. Yet in the prequels, Padme dies while giving childbirth to Luke and Leia, so how could Leia remember anything about her? That has been cited as a major plothole. But then again, what's new? Lucas is no master of logic. That's for sure. Rather, he seems to be a master of cheesiness. lol

Whew. I think this list is done for now. Sorry that was so long, but I hope you enjoyed reading this list of logic flaws, which you probably never thought about or realized while watching the Star Wars trilogy. Feel free to add any more if you like.

[Winston]

Check out this Irish guy listing 10 things wrong with the original Star Wars Trilogy. It's pretty funny and melodramatic, as well as true.



Also, check out my blog post about the all the many logical errors in Return of the Jedi.

http://blog.happierabroad.com/2014/04/r ... flaws.html

[Mr S]

That video was pretty good, except for using that annoying music in between each number.

One thing that's never mentioned is why in Jedi when Luke defeats Vader and then faces the Emperor, he just throws away his light saber? Like what was he thinking that the Emperor would just say okay, you win and you can go now or I give up? Or that because the emperor was unarmed that he didn't have any ability to defeat Luke now? That part is kinda stupid.

I think Vader got messed up when the electricity shorted out his life support system in the suit that he is wearing when he picked up the Emperor, that's why he ended up dying, whereas Luke did not, although I would think it would short out his robotic hand and make it harder to carry Vader. Maybe he used the "force" to float Vader around down to the ships.

I hope Disney does something cool with the next 3 movies and makes them more adult and dark rather than childish and goofy. Lucas got sucked into the whole profit over substance after he realized how much he could make off of his toys and other franchise knockoffs. This is why Empire is the best cause the original dark plot line was kept in and the director was going for more of an adult theme, but then when Star Wars and Empires toys and other crap took off Lucas realized he would be better off making Jedi more kid friendly so he could make more money and changed the plot line of Jedi from it's original. This is why the director of Empire was let go for creative differences with Lucas. There is a video or interview somewhere on YouTube that talks about it. The Director of Empire wanted Jedi to be darker than Empire with lots of deaths and all that.

[Mr S]

Which version is best?



I think the 2nd one is, the last one the dialogue is too contrived from the original to fit properly.

[Moretorque]

Mr. Wu who cares, of all the space series ever done the original Star Trek had the best stories consistantly and really looked at the childishness of mans inner soul.

Star Wars is very very over rated!

[Hero]

You think Star Wars is ludicrous? I saw a movie where a dirt-poor third-world country was able to destroy the Evil Empire... oh wait, that wasn't a movie, that was what I saw on the news from 1979 to 1989. The truth really is stranger than fiction.

[newlifeinphilippines]

You think Star Wars is ludicrous? I saw a movie where a dirt-poor third-world country was able to destroy the Evil Empire... oh wait, that wasn't a movie, that was what I saw on the news from 1979 to 1989. The truth really is stranger than fiction.

what country was that?

[Hero]

You think Star Wars is ludicrous? I saw a movie where a dirt-poor third-world country was able to destroy the Evil Empire... oh wait, that wasn't a movie, that was what I saw on the news from 1979 to 1989. The truth really is stranger than fiction.

what country was that?

Afghanistan. They kicked the Soviet Union's ass.