Where to find love/companionship NOT sex?

[lavezzi]

You must understand my confusion. I find this site, filled with insightful articles written by a man saying how hard it is to date and find love in western society and how it's people are poisoned and corrupted. This same man on this same site documents how he banged up the most attractive foreign women he could then cheated on her with countless prostitutes. Other users on this site also appear to have similar intentions. Most seem to be interested in having as much easy sex as possible, and if they do want a relationship, they want it to be with a female as hot/young as possible.

Is it any way possible for a young guy to find true love and companionship abroad with one girl, who doesn't just want you to financially support her? If so what would one need to do in order to achieve this and where's the best place/s to go?

Thanks in advance.

[odbo]

I hear you. I don't understand the point of meaningless sex. It cheapens and perverts love, and destroys your ability to be with anyone for any length of time let alone start a family with them. I've read articles on how men cheat because they are not hard-wired for long monogamous relationships because thousands of years ago "cavemen" were nomads who f***ed and dumped, leaving a bunch of single moms in their wake. Of course this is agenda-driven junk science written by Jews who love to push this kind of anti-family rhetoric. Man has tendancies for many things, but which do you choose to be led by? The reality is everything was fine for thousands of years until the television and socialism came along in the 20th century.

Winston and the rest of the guys here are victims of a lifetime of programming, and share more in common with American women than they'd like to admit. Take pity on their lost souls. Try to ignore them when they conclude man's desire for a wife and children is the result of brainwashing and when they pretend they have evolved past being manipulated.

As far as solutions for you, it depends on what kind of girl you're looking for. I guess you should check out Mexico for latinas, Vietnam for south-east asians, Japan for north-east asians, and Russia/Ukraine for european girls. But not capital cities, usually the farther from the big city the sweeter the girl.

[lavezzi]

It doesn't take a scientist to figure out p***y corrupts the heart. Maybe in so-called cavemen times, the alpha males that had the ability to spread their seed around were meant to do so, while the 'lesser' males cared deeper about the females and wanted to raise the alpha's children. But the egoism of today's society puts no value on these males so all males are programmed to aspire to be alpha, even if they get no p***y. If this is true, I'd like to believe I'm less programmed than the average guy and just want to stay monogamous to one woman.

The 'overseas solution' to me is more about solving my inability to posses the confidence it takes to attract in my own environment due to negative past experiences with females. I believe in the whole 'western woman are bad' thing but I don't indulge in the natural tendency to not take any personal responsibility.

How is someone who's only language worth mentioning is English meant to have a relationship with a woman from any of those countries, will I need to learn their language? Do people usually meet the women on a website beforehand or do you just go in hope of finding someone?

[C.J.]

lavezzi, I understand your confusion.

The problem is that many foreign destinations and their expats convinced many people to give in to their corrupt tendencies. Places like Thailand are porn director wonderlands, because the women there are very easy to have some of the nastiest sex ever with. That's how it is all over the world, but it varies. But you'll have a much easier time having relationships outside the US, and you may even want to test different lifestyle choices as it is possible.

The Western world is a hellhole. It was made into a hellhole ON PURPOSE, to destroy the intimate connections among its people, so they cannot ditch the elite and make a better world for themselves. The system is not so weak that a simple man can subvert it. You're better off finding relationships outside of the Western world. You'll find foreigners better at socializing than our retarded Western counterparts, thus enabling you to better socialize.

When it comes to different countries, you can stay within the English language and have a good time. However, these women mostly live in the big cities, and know how to live off of other people. If you want a nicer girl, go away from the big citites into the rural areas. Keep in mind that you WILL have to learn the native language at some point, to communicate with these foreign women. Think of them as being like you. They have little knowledge of the outside world, but unlike you, have very little access to it. So, learning new languages can be a great way to make traveling and communicating with native girls easier. In some cases, knowing new languages can get you further than you thought(new jobs abroad can open up, again making traveling easier).

When it comes to love and companionship, I think your best bet would be Ukraine. But you have to make the choice to get up, get out and test the waters.

[AdrianIV]

lavezzi,

Good for you buddy. I feel the same way. Isn't it sad, at least in my experience, that Western culture, and Western women whom devour it, look DOWN on the man whom is a "one woman" man?

I have nothing against "whore mongers" and such BUT just like other behaviors such as alcoholism, Some of them, seem to take offence IF one doesn't validate their lifestyles by being just like them?

I wouldn't use the owner/author of this site as any kind of model for they way I want to live, but then again, he his life is his own.

[onezero4u]

short answer...the dog pound...rescue a good hound and hell give you unconditional love, companionship and no sex (hopefully)

[odbo]

That's a good idea Winston needs to get a dog. He's always talking about how pets are stupid and there are no benefits to having children, etc. Why not actually try something and see if it's true Winston before pretending like you know everything? Experience triumphs trying to assess what you have no clue about with left-brain "logic".

A dog might recover the heart Winston lost screwing all those whores in the Philippines.

[C.J.]

Let me just point out the extreme hilarity of this sentence.

A dog might recover the heart Winston lost screwing all those whores in the Philippines.

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Straight out of a novel. XD (And possibly a solution?)

I don't think pets are stupid. Cats are known to heal people with their purring. I think pets are a great way to get in touch with the inner person many people lose during childhood.

If I wasn't so allergic to furry animals, I'd get one myself.

[lavezzi]

Thanks for the positive responses.

As someone who comes from a culture where men seem to only care about what's between a woman's legs, it's refreshing to hear from like-minded people in this regard.

I'd like to write some observations and rant about Ireland if that's OK. Since It's at this stage (unfortunately) an anglo western country where no one at least on this site considers going (and rightly so), I think my knowlege could enlighten those interested in all cultures.
Imagine the blacks of the USA, who have been enslaved and mistreated for generations, but given their own country so they have nobody but themselves to take out their resentment on. That is pretty much what Ireland and Irish people are. I'm not an expert on the subject, but I'm sure there are also countries in the caribbean where this is the case. The difference is, we have been handed economic prosperities.
Unlike Winston, I would like to take note of the positives our culture posseses, instead of only focusing only on the negatives. We are people known for and who have retained our great spirit, be it in terms of strength in character or humour. Which is typically rare in a country experiencing rapid economic growth and the social decline that goes along with it. For these reasons, going abroad to find romantic success is cultural knowlege for Irish men, unlike the secret it is for most westerners.
I honestly believe that from an unbiased perspective, Ireland is a horrible, horrible place for dating. This fact's not even such a big deal for the people who live here because there's other problems they're forced to worry about. I would like to point out to those people who negativly regard the 'police state' America has become, that when you live in a country of animals, you want there to be a force that can lock these people up. Trust me, you want to be able to leave your house at 9PM without having to worry about being beaten and robbed. And this is someone coming from a supposive middle class area, if such a thing is only dictated by finances.

I'm going bizarrely off the subject so I'll close by saying in life and such subsequent things as love, appreciation is everything. The natural balance that exists in the world will dictate how much you have with how much you need. You don't want to have the scale tipped too far either way.

[Mr S]

Thanks for the positive responses.

As someone who comes from a culture where men seem to only care about what's between a woman's legs, it's refreshing to hear from like-minded people in this regard.

I'd like to write some observations and rant about Ireland if that's OK. Since It's at this stage (unfortunately) an anglo western country where no one at least on this site considers going (and rightly so), I think my knowlege could enlighten those interested in all cultures.
Imagine the blacks of the USA, who have been enslaved and mistreated for generations, but given their own country so they have nobody but themselves to take out their resentment on. That is pretty much what Ireland and Irish people are. I'm not an expert on the subject, but I'm sure there are also countries in the caribbean where this is the case. The difference is, we have been handed economic prosperities.
Unlike Winston, I would like to take note of the positives our culture posseses, instead of only focusing only on the negatives. We are people known for and who have retained our great spirit, be it in terms of strength in character or humour. Which is typically rare in a country experiencing rapid economic growth and the social decline that goes along with it. For these reasons, going abroad to find romantic success is cultural knowlege for Irish men, unlike the secret it is for most westerners.
I honestly believe that from an unbiased perspective, Ireland is a horrible, horrible place for dating. This fact's not even such a big deal for the people who live here because there's other problems they're forced to worry about. I would like to point out to those people who negativly regard the 'police state' America has become, that when you live in a country of animals, you want there to be a force that can lock these people up. Trust me, you want to be able to leave your house at 9PM without having to worry about being beaten and robbed. And this is someone coming from a supposive middle class area, if such a thing is only dictated by finances.

I'm going bizarrely off the subject so I'll close by saying in life and such subsequent things as love, appreciation is everything. The natural balance that exists in the world will dictate how much you have with how much you need. You don't want to have the scale tipped too far either way.

So are you proposing that the Irish are and should be considered the white trash of Western Europe? So the previous discrimination against them in the 19th and early 20th century in America against the Irish was justified and warranted? I think I'm a quarter Irish myself, but majority French and English ancestry. I personally don't have an opinion, just wondering from your perspective how the Irish are perceived in Western Europe nowadays.

I looked into trying to get Irish citizenship so that I could work in the Euro zone but they only allow up to 3 generations and since my relatives migrated back in mid 1800's during the potato famine I believe, I wasn't eligible. France, England or Canada couldn't care less about granting citizenship based on previous proven genetic links to their countries.

[lavezzi]

Thanks for the positive responses.

As someone who comes from a culture where men seem to only care about what's between a woman's legs, it's refreshing to hear from like-minded people in this regard.

I'd like to write some observations and rant about Ireland if that's OK. Since It's at this stage (unfortunately) an anglo western country where no one at least on this site considers going (and rightly so), I think my knowlege could enlighten those interested in all cultures.
Imagine the blacks of the USA, who have been enslaved and mistreated for generations, but given their own country so they have nobody but themselves to take out their resentment on. That is pretty much what Ireland and Irish people are. I'm not an expert on the subject, but I'm sure there are also countries in the caribbean where this is the case. The difference is, we have been handed economic prosperities.
Unlike Winston, I would like to take note of the positives our culture posseses, instead of only focusing only on the negatives. We are people known for and who have retained our great spirit, be it in terms of strength in character or humour. Which is typically rare in a country experiencing rapid economic growth and the social decline that goes along with it. For these reasons, going abroad to find romantic success is cultural knowlege for Irish men, unlike the secret it is for most westerners.
I honestly believe that from an unbiased perspective, Ireland is a horrible, horrible place for dating. This fact's not even such a big deal for the people who live here because there's other problems they're forced to worry about. I would like to point out to those people who negativly regard the 'police state' America has become, that when you live in a country of animals, you want there to be a force that can lock these people up. Trust me, you want to be able to leave your house at 9PM without having to worry about being beaten and robbed. And this is someone coming from a supposive middle class area, if such a thing is only dictated by finances.

I'm going bizarrely off the subject so I'll close by saying in life and such subsequent things as love, appreciation is everything. The natural balance that exists in the world will dictate how much you have with how much you need. You don't want to have the scale tipped too far either way.

So are you proposing that the Irish are and should be considered the white trash of Western Europe? So the previous discrimination against them in the 19th and early 20th century in America against the Irish was justified and warranted? I think I'm a quarter Irish myself, but majority French and English ancestry. I personally don't have an opinion, just wondering from your perspective how the Irish are perceived in Western Europe nowadays.

I looked into trying to get Irish citizenship so that I could work in the Euro zone but they only allow up to 3 generations and since my relatives migrated back in mid 1800's during the potato famine I believe, I wasn't eligible. France, England or Canada couldn't care less about granting citizenship based on previous proven genetic links to their countries.

In previous centuries, mass immigration of the poor Irish peasents resulted in ghettoisation of places like England and America which gave the Irish a bad reputation. This bad reputation has faded completely today because they were white europenes that looked the same as the higher classes. So as generations went by, they blended in with the rest of the popululation unlike the blacks who stood out and were kept down and are still discriminated against.

Nowadays, the only emigrants from Ireland are the sophisticated, useful ones with degrees. The scum know home is the best place to spunge off the welfare state their whole lives and spawn typical rat looking degenerate kids to make the thankful day they shrivel up and die a less joyous occasion. So as a result, we havent been creating bad reputations overseas for a few decades.

[Adama]

The main problem is that most men arent able to get any kind of woman in North America. Men have sex drives, and after years of deprivation during their prime years, once they are overseas many can't control themselves. Now they can have sex with some of the hottest women they've ever seen quite easily and cheaply. That's something that isnt possible back home. So they indulge. And indulge and indulge.

It might be analogous to a person who has been starving most of his life and then has access to an above average diet at relatively low cost. This person may become morbidly obese in a very short time. (This is also one of the rationales for teenage binge drinking in the USA - unnecessary societal restriction to alcohol making it another coveted substance which people abuse rather than an acceptable drink used responsibly at the dinner table at home with the family.)

The problem is, at a certain point, you can't stop yourself. You've become addicted to the variety of women and the constant switching of partners. This means you probably can not get married. Not because you can't love the woman, but because eventually you won't be able to get an erection for her after only a short time.

[djfourmoney]

Hmmm.

Some men just want to have meaningless sex with as many women as they can. This is harder to do in Western Culture. Hard because its usually illegal. Its only recently because of how GI's always talked about p***y in SEA , that men started booking sexual adventures overseas. This started before the internet, but since has exploded into a multi-million dollar industry for airlines and local economies in those countries. That's why SE Asia and Brazil are top destinations for this type of activity and frankly due to America's religious, puritan overtones they allow Porn which is stupid if you don't allow Prostitution as well. The US could coup MILLIONS of dollars in tax revenue by just legalizing Prostitution, but as long as Feminism wants to continue to say its not a victim-less transaction which is proxy for wanting to a) control the supply of p***y b) to preserve any respectability gained since the 1970's. I should point out too them that in many countries were Prostitution is legal, women have been Prime Minister... Germany for example. She's apart of the Christian Democrats and there's no jump to morally over there. They have legal Prostitution and its affordable. Sure you can pay some high class German or FSU chick 300-1000Euro you'd be a nut but there's a sucker born every min. If you go to P4P's its 50-60E to get in, 60-100E per session (1/2 hr to full hour), passionate kissing (if you don't look like a train wreck) and full service. There other things you can do for even less cash outlay. RLD are all over Europe as well.

I have to say this though, most German women won't have a problem with it. However some will claim morally on you and while they might not drop you as a potential boyfriend/husband, they almost want you to promise to only f**k them. This shouldn't be an issue, unless you claim variety is the spice of life nonsense, I think they were talking about FOOD, not p***y.

Any way legalizing it would turn the p***y Paradigm Upside-Down. If we ever cleaned up immigration from Mexico and Central America, we would be flooded with attractive Latinas from Mexico, Central America and South America. The shear number of workers would force prices downward but competition increases quality. This will force out the women only doing it for the money or desperation. Of course they are doing it for the money, but I only felt that in Red Light Districts. In P4P's, I got mostly what is called a Girlfriend Experience, including a hot Hungarian girl chasing me around and pulling my stuff saying "I like Black Men".

Anyway but back to the main topic.

Don't worry about language, that's some BS. However it will make it easier to talk to village/rural women, but only really needed if you're doing this solo. For a complete novice I wouldn't suggest it. I don't like this idea that some people push that women in the major cities are difficult and jaded. Where do you think these cities get their fresh population of young women at? Many of these women come from rural areas of Russia, Ukraine, whatever and move to the Cities for better job opportunities, isn't that what happens all over the world? Some say "townies" are better to date, you have no proof of such a thing. The truth is most of the women you're going to find in FSU are going to be working jobs that have nothing to do with their focus of study. Those opportunities, especially in technology and sciences is improving all the time. Most that have studied English find work as translators for International Companies, the Government and Services like Bride Tours.

I find things funny, especially when asking a dude that has been taking off the market, they feel like they still know the market, when its changed. According to Mark and the guys on his tour the MAJORITY OF WOMEN SPOKE ENGLISH.

I don't understand how some village chick is safer. For what? Less corrupted? I suppose but if they didn't have the gumption to pick up and leave the only area they have known for better not only job but better husband opportunities, what makes you think she's going to get on that plane, leave everything she's known for some guy she barely knows from the other side of the earth? That's called Fear Of the Unknown and most people in most cultures suffer from it.

You're best served using a service that will put you in contact with women that are motivated, I think most men in America have not seen or felt that. Only successful men see this usually and most have commitment issues. They always complain, especially after 35, "Why the rush to get married, I've only known you for 6 months???" These dudes have issues, they are looking for flaws so they can use that as an excuse. Men have a shelf life too, though not for the same reasons. Most women aren't interested in men visibly aging especially in America unless you have tons of money to offset that. Wasn't a 50 year old man married some 16 year old girl? He has money, she's not quite mature, this should be fun.

Save money and contact Mark, Ed, or even AFA. You can also DIY, but as I have said in other threads, unless you are good with spreadsheets MS Excel and all that, I wouldn't recommend it, its a logistical nightmare.

[NorthAmericanguy]

You must understand my confusion. I find this site, filled with insightful articles written by a man saying how hard it is to date and find love in western society and how it's people are poisoned and corrupted. This same man on this same site documents how he banged up the most attractive foreign women he could then cheated on her with countless prostitutes. Other users on this site also appear to have similar intentions. Most seem to be interested in having as much easy sex as possible, and if they do want a relationship, they want it to be with a female as hot/young as possible.

Is it any way possible for a young guy to find true love and companionship abroad with one girl, who doesn't just want you to financially support her? If so what would one need to do in order to achieve this and where's the best place/s to go?

Thanks in advance.

True love? Personally, I feel true love is mostly a fantasy.

[E_Irizarry]

...Imagine the blacks of the USA, who have been enslaved and mistreated for generations, but given their own country so they have nobody but themselves to take out their resentment on....

Hence why I try not to interact with Blacks nor Afro-Caribbean peoples here in NYC that much. Even in avoiding them, if they live in my area and we end up seeing each other every other day to every other week, they despise being friends with me because I'm not on that niggershit and in their eyes, I'm that light-skinned self-hating Black man. Even after I tell them I'm Brazilian 3rd gen American when they ask what I am, they still don't want to have anything to do with me. Oh welps.