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Doc Love from AskMen.com (PUA guru)

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Doc Love from AskMen.com (PUA guru)

Postby Falcon » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:56 am

In short, Doc Love's advice = how to maneuver around the games that American women have invented.

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Doc Love, who is from Southern California, advises people not only on picking up girls, but mostly about keeping them interested for the long run. He reports that his readers have experienced greater success with women ( http://www.doclove.com/success_stories.htm ). His advice is actually quite sound - that is, for American women. His tactics are completely unnecessary for straightforward foreign women.

He constantly talks about how dating (in America) is a complicated game that needs to be mastered. And for only $99 ( http://www.askmen.com/products/doclove/ ), you can know all the secrets of "The System" so you can be successful with (American) women.

His website is: http://www.doclove.com/
At AskMen.com, it's http://www.askmen.com/dating/doclove/
Outline of some of his articles at http://www.bobsgear.com/display/any/Doc ... +Summaries

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doc_Love

The philosophy he advocates for dating is called "The System", which is laid out in his book, "The System: The Dating Dictionary."

The primary concept in his teachings is for a man to be a challenge to the woman he is interested in. Challenge, according to Doc Love, is the most important reason that a woman is attracted to and chooses to stay in a relationship with one man over another. Challenge is defined as "allowing the woman to do the pursuing". Doc Love is the only "love doctor" to talk about the necessity of a man being a challenge in order to achieve and sustain a successful relationship.

Doc Love differs from the "pickup artists" of the seduction community in that his focus is on teaching men to have happy long-term relationships rather than to seduce women for one-night stands. Nonetheless, their teachings have some similarities and might be said to complement one another. Both have as their primary target audience the nice guy who tends to befriend rather than attract the women he is romantically interested in ("Wimpus Americanus" in Doc Love's terminology - the seduction community term is Average Frustrated Chump) and both criticize this man's approach for being too eager to please, claiming that his accommodating behavior is precisely what is turning women off.



Doc Love says in http://www.askmen.com/dating/doclove_60 ... xpert.html

I have interviewed thousands of women and not one ever said to me:

1. I want a man whom I can't control.
2. I want a man who, when I test him, does not give in.
3. I want a man who keeps me guessing.

But you will see many women in long-term committed relationships with guys who have these traits.



He also says (American) women use "Womanese." http://m.askmen.com/dating/doclove/doclove9.html

The Secret Language
Let me give you a few more examples of Womanese :

What women say, and what they really mean:

- "We had an amicable divorce". Womanese for, "I took him to the cleaners and made him homeless."

- "We had an on-and-off again relationship", Womanese for, "I only kept him around until the next turkey showed up."

- "We had a bumpy marriage". Womanese for, "I nagged him to death."

- "Our values changed". Womanese for, "I dumped him because I couldn't change him."

- "We are in a transitional stage." Womanese for, "He will be history next month."

- "Where is this going?" Womanese for, "Are we going to get married?"

- And (of particular interest to you, Jamie): "I love you". Womanese for, "Now you say, 'I love you'."



But why SHOULD a woman even try to play those games? http://www.doclove.com/about_mastery1.htm

LEARN HOW TO DEAL WITH THE MOST INTIMIDATING AND CONFUSING GAMES THAT ANY WOMAN MAY TRY TO RUN ON YOU.



In "The 3 Biggest Mistakes Men Make", women actually play hard to get for THAT long? http://www.askmen.com/dating/doclove_60 ... xpert.html

During the first 60 days of dating:

1) Do not come on heavy -- keep it light

This means: Don't tell her how pretty she is or how much you like her, or that you'd like to see her again. Keep it positive Branden. Keep her laughing. Give her no more than one compliment per date. No gifts and no flowers, all of which she experiences as appeals for her approval. (Don't try to impress her.) Don't talk about your feelings for her or your romantic Interest Level [degree of love]. Instead, let her wonder where she stands with you. Remain mysterious.

2) Do not touch her -- let her do all the touching

If a girl likes you, she will automatically begin to touch you and will increase the frequency of touching as she spends more time with you. If you try to raise her Interest Level by touching HER a lot, your actions will backfire. You will inhibit her impulse to touch YOU. She will begin to feel uncomfortable, and she will withdraw from you. Most guys have absolutely no understanding of this principle of romantic relationships. Believe it or not, the less you touch her, the more she will want to touch you.

3) Do not mention or hint at the topic of sex.

Way too many guys have a terrible habit of talking about sex on a date. If you start trying to get your date turned on by talking about sex, you will turn her off! Yes. I said, you would turn her off. Even if she makes jokes or hints about sex, don't jump on it like most guys do. Instead, playfully steer her away from the topic. Trust me, this will work to your advantage.

Branden, if you begin practicing these 3 simple principles from "The System", your love life will improve immensely and you won't have to go down in flames ever again.

Remember guys, start with the basics.


"Doc Love: Low Interest Level" http://m.askmen.com/dating/doclove_500/ ... level.html

She was telling you that you were boring and predictable. That’s why you never say “I love youâ€￾ to a woman. Not saying it gives her something to chase, even after marriage and six kids.

Your problem is that you only read my book once or twice. You didn’t read it 15 times and memorize it, otherwise you would have seen all of this coming.


Plus, in "Doc Love: International Dating" http://www.askmen.com/dating/doclove_60 ... ating.html :o

Remember, guys: If she’s not a citizen of your country, you’re wasting your time.
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Postby djfourmoney » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:29 am

I disagree with the last bit, if you're intention is to move to her country, then its not a waste of time and its not a long distance relationship.

I'll have to write Dr Love when all this is said and done, I'm sure he'll be interested in what I have to say.

As for his "System" which includes the Three Rules, I have not broken any of them. I was sort of shaky with Rule #1, I did get into some heavier than average conversation with the German girl. She let me know she wasn't pleases with it, so I stopped. After about 90 days, she's turned the corner.

So I can tell you that The Three Rules does work. I already got the German girl interested in taking a cruise. She brought it up, I just added I would go with her and she was down. Already said "We should get two rooms, I would feel better with that." "If we get along well, I could always spend the night with you..."
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Postby FlipSurf » Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:14 am

I can attest to this 1000%. Doc Love's advice is the truth.
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Postby ssjparris » Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:16 am

you don't need any of this. i asked an argentinian girl for her number she said " yeah sure....hit me up. send me a messege!" i said " i want to see you." she said yes lets meet sometime soon. its so dang easy. you dont need "Dr. Love" for advice when it comes to foreign women.
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Postby Falcon » Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:12 pm

ssjparris wrote:you don't need any of this. i asked an argentinian girl for her number she said " yeah sure....hit me up. send me a messege!" i said " i want to see you." she said yes lets meet sometime soon. its so dang easy. you dont need "Dr. Love" for advice when it comes to foreign women.


Doc Love's advice is pretty good stuff, but only in stuck-up suburban America. Let me tell you why I do not ever use those tactics on my girlfriend.

Don't tell her how pretty she is or how much you like her, or that you'd like to see her again.


We say that to each other ALL the time.

Believe it or not, the less you touch her, the more she will want to touch you.


With her it's the complete opposite! :P

That’s why you never say “I love youâ€￾ to a woman. Not saying it gives her something to chase, even after marriage and six kids.


Things were completely different with my Mexican girlfriend. The first time she met me, she was obviously flirting with me, and it was easy to tell that she actually meant it. In one of our very first phone conversations, I told her that there was something that I was afraid to say to her, and that was "te amo" ("I love you").

She then told me, "This is the first time I've ever heard you tell me 'I love you!' Why didn't you ever say that before?"

"Earlier in my life, I told some girls that I loved them, and they all ran away from me."

"Oh don't worry about them. I really love you deeply, and I don't want you to hide your feelings. I really care about you, and you don't ever have to feel scared to tell me how much you care about me."

That's right. I can actually tell her my weaknesses and fears, and she will actually love me more for telling me all of that (that makes us feel a lot closer, and more open).

It's like day and night. With my Mexican girl, I never feel forced to hide my true feelings as I've always did with girls in the US.

The Secret Language
Let me give you a few more examples of Womanese :

What women say, and what they really mean:

- "We had an amicable divorce". Womanese for, "I took him to the cleaners and made him homeless."

- "We had an on-and-off again relationship", Womanese for, "I only kept him around until the next turkey showed up."

- "We had a bumpy marriage". Womanese for, "I nagged him to death."

- "Our values changed". Womanese for, "I dumped him because I couldn't change him."

- "We are in a transitional stage." Womanese for, "He will be history next month."

- "Where is this going?" Womanese for, "Are we going to get married?"

- And (of particular interest to you, Jamie): "I love you". Womanese for, "Now you say, 'I love you'."


Thank God she never ever talks like that. She is a very direct person, and when she says something, it's just that. No riddles involved.
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