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Postby Jester » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:41 am

abcdavid01 wrote:
Jester, is polygamy feasible? Men used to die earlier and more often than women, but now that we live in post-industrialism I wonder what the effects of reintroducing polygamy would be.



Research you can google:
--More kids per woman. Women in polygamous familes have an average of one more child per woman. (Possibly because of competition?)
-- Widows are never lonely, they get courted and can easily get married.
-- Girls do not have to give up sex to get a bf, so they can remain virgins till marriage
-- Girls marry younger
-- Young men see marriage as a good thing, because they can't get laid otherwise
-- Young men see marriage as a good thing, because they are still free when married.
-- Girls are in demand for marriage, rather than just for sex.


From personal experience:
--Sex every night (Competition gives the girls a reason to lay out the good silver and china for you.)
--Brings out the best in a man. No porn, no video games, no websurfing. Just pride, work, and fun. Life is good.
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Postby abcdavid01 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:12 am

Right, but that's the benefits of polygamy in general. I'm just worried about some guys being left out and being forced into singledom because his neighbor has five wives. It didn't used to matter for much of history because more men died younger than women, but that doesn't happen as much anymore.
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Postby Teal Lantern » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:33 am

abcdavid01 wrote:Right, but that's the benefits of polygamy in general. I'm just worried about some guys being left out and being forced into singledom because his neighbor has five wives. It didn't used to matter for much of history because more men died younger than women, but that doesn't happen as much anymore.


Don't worry. The neighbor can't keep an eye on all five wives at once. The "left out" guys will do just fine. :wink:
Plus they won't have to put up with the day-to-day expense and B.S.
They'll also get to have all their closet space to themselves and can get/stay in the bathroom as long as they want. :)
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Postby Jester » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:52 am

abcdavid01 wrote:Right, but that's the benefits of polygamy in general. I'm just worried about some guys being left out and being forced into singledom because his neighbor has five wives. It didn't used to matter for much of history because more men died younger than women, but that doesn't happen as much anymore.


Right now the Omega clowns deflower and corrupt plenty of women. Most men cannot get a good woman, because women are taught by the culture to become sluts at a young age.

In a polygamous society, top guys have sex with far FEWER women than they do now -- because they are expected to support them. And because they get killed by fathers and brothers if they pump-and-dump. And also because they marry ans settle down much younger, instead of leading the swinging-single bachelor life for decades.

The issue is not monogamy vs polygamy. Polygamy exists now, but it is slutty and temporary. The issue is responsible, protective, committed polygamy vs sluts'n'thugs culture.

If polygamy were the accepted norm, then as a broke, shy young guy (speaking theoretically), yes, sure, you would have a tough time competing with older, richer, more confident guys. But the girls you would be competing for would be marriage-minded virgins, rather than used-up sluts. You could compete with the older guys' cash and sports cars by standing outside her bedroom window, mariachi-style, Romeo-style. Win some, lose some. But she would be worth competing for.

Polygamy is a personal choice. A choice for the man, not for his wife. But the overall idea of man being in charge is not called polygamy, it's called patriarchy. And that is NOT a choice for a man. That is a responsibility.
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Postby abcdavid01 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 1:55 am

Okay, thank you for putting it in perspective.
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Postby eurobrat » Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:45 am

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Postby Jester » Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:03 am

eurobrat wrote:Jester,

I'm not sure why a man would want to be in a RELATIONSHIP with multiple women, it becomes so troublesome. I can understand wanting to sleep with multiple women but not support all of them.


RELATIONSHIP VERSUS SEX:

Once you have supported a woman, gotten her pregnant, become a father, it may become more clear.

Kind of addictive. It's not just the sex. It's an ego trip, a purpose, a mission. It's looking into the mirror and being proud of who you see. It brings out the best in you. Kind of like when you hear about a mom who lifts a car off her child or husband
(I guess that ould be the female equivalent). You can do anything because someone is depending on you.


SEVERAL VERSUS ONLY ONE:

The main thing I like about polygamy is NOT the sexual variety (which is nice), or the human company (which is nice). Rather it's the RELATIONSHIP with the women. In short, they know their place. The structure of the relationship requires them to submit. They are not partners, they are WIVES.
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Postby Will N. Dowd » Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:06 pm

My abstinence from emotional attachment is now starting to include my own family. I've become so red pill and they are so blue pill that our opinions and attitudes clash continually, so now I have decided to no longer voice my opinion, and just keep quiet and reserved. I'm also tired of giving reasons for why I do or don't do things, and being given suggestions of what I should do, which are usually the opposite of what I really want to do.

Tom Leykis has been talking about the subject of love this valentines week and says it is an illusion, and I agree with him. I'm an introvert, a loner and I'm happier alone doing whatever I want, wherever I want, when I want to do it. I don't need emotional attachment, I need physical intimacy with girls I am attracted to. Emotional attachment always brings heartache and break and I've been there and am not interested anymore in that nonsense. Nothing is forever.

I've decided I want to make my life as streamline and efficient as possible, not only in physical items, but in mindset and behavior as well. You will never beat the freedom of being alone with no one to judge you. As long as I have that and a harem I'm happy.
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Re: Too much emotional attachment is not worth it

Postby The_Adventurer » Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:41 pm

Will N. Dowd wrote:Obviously many western men would disagree with my opinion, but if they were offered a harem of young women they could choose from every day with new girls coming all the time, and then they compared that to signing a contract with one women for the rest of their life, they would choose the harem no question. It's just such a thing really doesn't exist in western society so they can't try it. But if they tried it they would never get married and would say give me my harem, marriage sucks. Once you get easy and non stop sex from many young girls without all the bullshit that comes with a GF, you won't go back to the old way with just 1 girl.


You are right, I definitely disagree with this, especially since I already did the harem thing in the Philippines my first time around. If you have already accomplished all you want in life, I suppose that is cool. If you read success teachers like Napoleon Hill,they claim that in the pursuit of sex a man wastes far more energy than on any other thing, and this keeps him from accomplishing his goals. My own experience and that of guys I hung out with when younger have shown this to be true.

Henry Ford, however, teamed up with his one wife, and with her behind him, he built an industrial empire that changed the entire world. I am not saying I will do anything so grand, but the advantages of having a wife and family, and getting all that pursuit out of the way is immeasurable. She helps me to reach my goals. I don't think I need to mention other advantageous scenarios, like marrying into a powerful political family, getting government people on one's side etc. that might help one accomplish goals.

The harem thing was a lot of fun. I got tired of it after six months, though, and wanted to do something else.

Will N. Dowd wrote:My abstinence from emotional attachment is now starting to include my own family. I've become so red pill and they are so blue pill that our opinions and attitudes clash continually, so now I have decided to no longer voice my opinion, and just keep quiet and reserved. I'm also tired of giving reasons for why I do or don't do things, and being given suggestions of what I should do, which are usually the opposite of what I really want to do.

Tom Leykis has been talking about the subject of love this valentines week and says it is an illusion, and I agree with him. I'm an introvert, a loner and I'm happier alone doing whatever I want, wherever I want, when I want to do it. I don't need emotional attachment, I need physical intimacy with girls I am attracted to. Emotional attachment always brings heartache and break and I've been there and am not interested anymore in that nonsense. Nothing is forever.

I've decided I want to make my life as streamline and efficient as possible, not only in physical items, but in mindset and behavior as well. You will never beat the freedom of being alone with no one to judge you. As long as I have that and a harem I'm happy.


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Postby Will N. Dowd » Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:45 pm

I came back to ditch some of the stuff I took there, buy some of the things I need to go back, sell some more of my stuff, and tie up some loose ends like getting a laptop repaired under warranty. I've been back for a couple of months now, but since my apartment is rented out, I stay with my family. I'll be heading back in a month or two, but might have to come back again in the summer if my tenant doesn't renew her lease. If she does I can stay there, if she doesn't I'll rent it to someone else.

My life in Canada is very comfortable, but boring. My parents have a large house that I moved my things into last summer, and my Mum spoils me with food. I spend my days sleeping in late, watching TV, and selling things online. I've sold another $700 of my stuff since I got back 2 months ago on ebay, craigslist etc. I hate having physical and mental clutter so I'm always getting rid of absolutely everything I don't need. I'm selling and have sold, pins, hats, belts, key chains, pens, bottle openers and anything else I can find someone somewhere might want. I use the 50 free listing every month on ebay, and always sell a few things. Over a year that really adds up. I sold 48 CD's last year online, or about 4 a month. I've even found old airline postcards and am listing them to try to get something for them. Every few dollars helps me get richer and get rid of stuff.

I listen to Tom Leykis too, the guy is controversial but honest. I'm still amazed that in North America, the truth is usually politically incorrect or offensive to most people.
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Re: Too much emotional attachment is not worth it

Postby tre » Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:37 am

The_Adventurer wrote:
If you have already accomplished all you want in life, I suppose that is cool. If you read success teachers like Napoleon Hill,they claim that in the pursuit of sex a man wastes far more energy than on any other thing, and this keeps him from accomplishing his goals. My own experience and that of guys I hung out with when younger have shown this to be true.

Henry Ford, however, teamed up with his one wife, and with her behind him, he built an industrial empire that changed the entire world. I am not saying I will do anything so grand, but the advantages of having a wife and family, and getting all that pursuit out of the way is immeasurable. She helps me to reach my goals. I don't think I need to mention other advantageous scenarios, like marrying into a powerful political family, getting government people on one's side etc. that might help one accomplish goals.



Interesting perspective and rings extremely true in my case. There are many things I miss about being single. I miss the freedom, I miss the excitement of the chase, variety, etc.. However, I don't miss all the money I wasted, the disappointments and most importantly the TIME AND FOCUS. I can't seem to get anything useful done while single. I can't focus on anything other than finding someone when I am without someone. I still need quite a bit of alone time as I am definitely an introvert. If I'm away on business, I ENJOY being alone during the days or weeks that I am. However, it's good to know that there is someone there when you need them to be...
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Postby Rock » Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:24 am

Will N. Dowd wrote:My abstinence from emotional attachment is now starting to include my own family. I've become so red pill and they are so blue pill that our opinions and attitudes clash continually, so now I have decided to no longer voice my opinion, and just keep quiet and reserved. I'm also tired of giving reasons for why I do or don't do things, and being given suggestions of what I should do, which are usually the opposite of what I really want to do.

Tom Leykis has been talking about the subject of love this valentines week and says it is an illusion, and I agree with him. I'm an introvert, a loner and I'm happier alone doing whatever I want, wherever I want, when I want to do it. I don't need emotional attachment, I need physical intimacy with girls I am attracted to. Emotional attachment always brings heartache and break and I've been there and am not interested anymore in that nonsense. Nothing is forever.

I've decided I want to make my life as streamline and efficient as possible, not only in physical items, but in mindset and behavior as well. You will never beat the freedom of being alone with no one to judge you. As long as I have that and a harem I'm happy.


That's all well and good. But you also need some sort of solution for when you get older and are no longer able to attract any free physical intimacy with girls you are attracted to. Are you willing to adjust to using P4P or sugar daddying when it's not available through other means? It's just a practical consideration for the type of person who boils these things down to left brained logic. In spite of what Tom Leykis might claim, don't you think the action he gets is probably coming from some sort of 'arrangement'?
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Postby travelsouth » Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:54 pm

Having a bunch of girlfriends or wives sounds like a real pain in the ass. If someone told me they were moving overseas and never planned to marry I'd understand. But juggling a bunch of girls is a lot of work in practice. Maybe some women truly won't care but we all know almost all of them will have a problem with this lifestyle unless they like snatch themselves.

If you cross some of these women in a foreign country you also put yourself at risk. Colombia and the Philippines obviously operate under their own rules. If you cross the wrong girl bad things could happen. These women can be slash your tires crazy or they end up sending someone after you. I've heard about cases where a girl would freak out on a guy and he'd go and change hotels that day.

The most realistic option would seem to be to find a girl that is truly bisexual. I just don't think it is smart to carelessly start running through women overseas. Once you dump a girl and she sees the American gravy train walk away I do think occasionally they can go mad over it.

I'm not going to judge a guy over his personal preferences, but I do think this plan comes with risks.
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Postby C.J. » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:46 am

I like Jester's opinion of relationships. Men should be powerful enough to protect their siblings/mates. But as a whole, they're not in this age.

Every relationship is different though. Some are content with one partner, some 2, others 3-5 and some just can't choose and go with 10 or more. That's how it was "back in the day".

But also there was competition, greedy folks who took girls/resources by force and other dumb stuff. Women definitely needed protection and security in such uncertain times(where you could suffer and die this week or the next, from illness, starvation, or be attacked or captured/violated by rival groups), and if they found someone who could provide that for them that they liked, they did whatever they could to stay with that person. Few things were off the table.

This is also why groups were created, strength in numbers. Men joined for extra protection/kinship/more spoils with less work/whatevs, and women joined for those things and their own reasons as well. When it came to incentives, women knew extra muscle was beneficial in many ways, so some possibly offered themselves to prospective/single members(some may have wanted to leave due to disputes) to help the group thrive and prosper. Men also did this to secure women as well. You were pretty much guaranteed a mate as long as you could protect her and/or feed her.

Some even strictly recruited other men, which made securing resources and managing them a lot easier. Pros and cons to different types of groups. So strength/fighting ability/intelligence was also important.

Concepts like harems were mostly for the rare rich and powerful;they could afford to live excessively. For everyone else, survival was top priority. A single man with a harem who was not rich and powerful was easy to rob and kill. So it was clearly not a good idea if you wanted to keep your head. It was truly a man's world... everything else, living or dead, was a resource.

I've changed my approach to life to reflect this. Most people and things are simply a resource to me.
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