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Postby ***JP*** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:33 am

polya wrote:The first thing this arabian_prince needs to do is change his thinking to positive or he'll take all his baggage overseas and scare away every woman who isn't a gold-digger!



Amen to that. Those who are considering to go abroad need to learn one thing and one thing only. Leave your emotional baggage at home and go with an open mind and positive attitude otherwise you will not do good abroad wether it's with locals or the local girls you are planning to ask out on a date.
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Postby Boxman » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:24 pm

To the OP (Arabian Prince) I have to ask - why the hell would you need to go "Happier Abroad" in the first place? Based on your name and comments about ethnicity I take it you're Arab or of Middle Eastern descent. If so, what the f*ck are you complaining about? Just get yourself fixed up with a nice girl from back home. The countries of the islamic world (especially the Mesopotamia\Persia\Turkic region) are chock full of beautiful, quality women. I was in Dubai last year and was shocked at all the hot middle-eastern looking chicks I saw (and all of them walking around with plain or outright ugly dudes).

You muslims are quite right in keeping your women subjugated and locked down tight. If it weren't for the barriers posed by family, culture and Islam itself, you'd have quality men from all over the world chasing after them. I know quite a few Iranian, Iraqi, Syrian and Lebanese people where I work and dayum those are some lucky guys. All their wives are hot, loyal and family oriented.

I used to work with an Egyption guy that had "white fever". He was a bit of a player and not bad looking; he bagged a fair number of white chicks. The last one he was with got pregnant and aborted the baby (he only found out about it later; he also found out she'd been cheating on him). Needless to say that girl did him a huge favor; he ended up going back to Egypt on vacation where his family set him up with various girls to meet. He clicked with one in particular and they married soon after. He's now living happily ever after with his (very hot) Egyptian wife and has a child on the way.

Why don't you just stick with your own women? They're so vastly superior to what we have in the rest of the world, and the beauty of it is they're also strictly off-limits to everyone else. I highly doubt the grass is going to be greener for you outside the Islamic world.
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Postby jmbPtforlife » Fri Mar 21, 2014 8:37 pm

If you got some cash or have figured out how to work while being overseas and you like arab looking women than Colombia will do. If you want "white"ish women do eastern europe.

But what is your negative ass going to do to meet them. Spend some time on online dating. Should work. Do some cold approaches. Could work. Or you just gonna bitch because when you are out and about and look across the street ogling some girl she doesn't run over and profess her love.

All places have p***y . Even the USA. Just is about what is gonna happen for you based on a mix of what you want want quality wise and how hard you are willing to work for it.

But I don't feel I have been kidding myself because I have done what you somehow feel is impossible and I am not even good at this shit. So grow some balls and try some places out. Sit down objectively and decide how you will meet and date women and try all popular methods until something words for you. Just f***ing do it.
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Postby Enticer » Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:11 am

The shitty way some of those countries treat their women have only fueled feminism...esp the ME....
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Postby publicduende » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:42 am

jmbPtforlife wrote:If you got some cash or have figured out how to work while being overseas and you like arab looking women than Colombia will do. If you want "white"ish women do eastern europe.

But what is your negative a** going to do to meet them. Spend some time on online dating. Should work. Do some cold approaches. Could work. Or you just gonna bitch because when you are out and about and look across the street ogling some girl she doesn't run over and profess her love.

All places have p***y . Even the USA. Just is about what is gonna happen for you based on a mix of what you want want quality wise and how hard you are willing to work for it.

But I don't feel I have been kidding myself because I have done what you somehow feel is impossible and I am not even good at this shit. So grow some balls and try some places out. Sit down objectively and decide how you will meet and date women and try all popular methods until something words for you. Just f***ing do it.


Cold approaches don't work in Colombia, like they don't work on 95% of the Earth surface. It's just the stuff of PUA scammers and the occasional TV docu-fiction.

The best way to find quality women, indeed quality people, is to be relatively established in the host country - a decent job, or some strong social connections - and attend the local social life - house parties, some dancing & drinking in bars and fincas. Putting herself up on an online dating site is probably the last thing a Colombian young woman would do, since she has so many other options, all of which involving meeting face to face.

Thanks heaven, the bulk of Colombian society still prefers going out to socialise than tapping on their mobile phones on how awesome is the venue they've just walked into and will be pretending very hard to enjoy for the following 45 minutes.
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Postby OutWest » Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:24 pm

publicduende wrote:
jmbPtforlife wrote:If you got some cash or have figured out how to work while being overseas and you like arab looking women than Colombia will do. If you want "white"ish women do eastern europe.

But what is your negative a** going to do to meet them. Spend some time on online dating. Should work. Do some cold approaches. Could work. Or you just gonna bitch because when you are out and about and look across the street ogling some girl she doesn't run over and profess her love.

All places have p***y . Even the USA. Just is about what is gonna happen for you based on a mix of what you want want quality wise and how hard you are willing to work for it.

But I don't feel I have been kidding myself because I have done what you somehow feel is impossible and I am not even good at this shit. So grow some balls and try some places out. Sit down objectively and decide how you will meet and date women and try all popular methods until something words for you. Just f***ing do it.


Cold approaches don't work in Colombia, like they don't work on 95% of the Earth surface. It's just the stuff of PUA scammers and the occasional TV docu-fiction.

The best way to find quality women, indeed quality people, is to be relatively established in the host country - a decent job, or some strong social connections - and attend the local social life - house parties, some dancing & drinking in bars and fincas. Putting herself up on an online dating site is probably the last thing a Colombian young woman would do, since she has so many other options, all of which involving meeting face to face.

Thanks heaven, the bulk of Colombian society still prefers going out to socialise than tapping on their mobile phones on how awesome is the venue they've just walked into and will be pretending very hard to enjoy for the following 45 minutes.


This simple reality will be avoided by most men from the USA even while they continue to complain about their lack of success. The Instant On, TV Remote version of reality that most American men subscribe to, pretty well relegates them to P4P girls unless they are willing to change their attitudes.

>>>Why do men think that a great girl overseas should just roll over for them when he has not taken the time to connect with her culture and family in any meaningful way, and does not demonstrate some
kind of ongoing connection to her place that would sustain a long term relationship?

Many of the best girls can easily spot when they are being gamed- they are not interested in being
some manwhore's vacation GF. But of course, American men will continue to troll the world, blowing into this city of that, and post their "take" on the local girls, when in reality they have no clue beyond the bar girl or two they paid for.

The men who think differently have little competition.


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Postby jmbPtforlife » Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:38 pm

I don't know about colombians not doing online dating. More new girls sign up in Medellin each day for Colombian cupid than on Thaifriendly each day in bangkok. Its a pretty easy count to do and bangkok is larger.

Meeting through social circle is still the most popular way but the majority of gringos never have and never will have a significant male social circle in Colombia. Colombian guys and gringos don't hang out (at least in Medellin). So unless you are still in Uni I think social circle is hard in Medellin to acquire if you aren't Colombian and already have one. You can't just go and buy one at Exito.
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Postby Enticer » Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:20 pm

Cold approaches arent a good idea because the woman must first show some interest of being attracted. I have never cold approached super shy types that do not show interest. Most women will make a gesture that is a knee-jerk, involuntary response to you...at first glance. Via internet, it may be from pics and/or your writing. But then again...nothing ventured, nothing gained....
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Postby davewe » Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:45 pm

OutWest wrote:
publicduende wrote:
jmbPtforlife wrote:If you got some cash or have figured out how to work while being overseas and you like arab looking women than Colombia will do. If you want "white"ish women do eastern europe.

But what is your negative a** going to do to meet them. Spend some time on online dating. Should work. Do some cold approaches. Could work. Or you just gonna bitch because when you are out and about and look across the street ogling some girl she doesn't run over and profess her love.

All places have p***y . Even the USA. Just is about what is gonna happen for you based on a mix of what you want want quality wise and how hard you are willing to work for it.

But I don't feel I have been kidding myself because I have done what you somehow feel is impossible and I am not even good at this shit. So grow some balls and try some places out. Sit down objectively and decide how you will meet and date women and try all popular methods until something words for you. Just f***ing do it.


Cold approaches don't work in Colombia, like they don't work on 95% of the Earth surface. It's just the stuff of PUA scammers and the occasional TV docu-fiction.

The best way to find quality women, indeed quality people, is to be relatively established in the host country - a decent job, or some strong social connections - and attend the local social life - house parties, some dancing & drinking in bars and fincas. Putting herself up on an online dating site is probably the last thing a Colombian young woman would do, since she has so many other options, all of which involving meeting face to face.

Thanks heaven, the bulk of Colombian society still prefers going out to socialise than tapping on their mobile phones on how awesome is the venue they've just walked into and will be pretending very hard to enjoy for the following 45 minutes.


This simple reality will be avoided by most men from the USA even while they continue to complain about their lack of success. The Instant On, TV Remote version of reality that most American men subscribe to, pretty well relegates them to P4P girls unless they are willing to change their attitudes.

>>>Why do men think that a great girl overseas should just roll over for them when he has not taken the time to connect with her culture and family in any meaningful way, and does not demonstrate some
kind of ongoing connection to her place that would sustain a long term relationship?

Many of the best girls can easily spot when they are being gamed- they are not interested in being
some manwhore's vacation GF. But of course, American men will continue to troll the world, blowing into this city of that, and post their "take" on the local girls, when in reality they have no clue beyond the bar girl or two they paid for.

The men who think differently have little competition.

Outwest


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And unfortunately few will even take note of this wisdom. Learn about the place and people you are interested in, leave your Western attitudes behind, and the world changes radically. But most won't, even most expats.
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Postby Jester » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:02 pm

Enticer wrote:The shitty way some of those countries treat their women have only fueled feminism...esp the ME....


Not really. There is far LESS feminism in the ME.
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Postby Jester » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:11 pm

Enticer wrote:Cold approaches arent a good idea because the woman must first show some interest of being attracted. I have never cold approached super shy types that do not show interest. Most women will make a gesture that is a knee-jerk, involuntary response to you...at first glance. Via internet, it may be from pics and/or your writing. But then again...nothing ventured, nothing gained....


IMO its not so much about getting an indication of interest, as it is, being willing to stop gracefully if you get a sign of DISinterest.
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Postby publicduende » Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:10 pm

jmbPtforlife wrote:I don't know about colombians not doing online dating. More new girls sign up in Medellin each day for Colombian cupid than on Thaifriendly each day in bangkok. Its a pretty easy count to do and bangkok is larger.

Meeting through social circle is still the most popular way but the majority of gringos never have and never will have a significant male social circle in Colombia. Colombian guys and gringos don't hang out (at least in Medellin). So unless you are still in Uni I think social circle is hard in Medellin to acquire if you aren't Colombian and already have one. You can't just go and buy one at Exito.


It depends on who these Colombians are, who they're looking for. I can pretty much guarantee you that, bar those who have fixations/fetishes for specific foreign cultures and countries, any standard Colombian hotty is pretty happy getting a local boyfriend.

I would say "shame on Gringos" if they don't (or can't get) a male social circle. Colombians are extremely friendly and gregarious, and there's always a house parties in a large finca (large countryside house) to choose from, sometimes even during weekdays. I think it's a typical trait of the Anglo mindset, to go on on a pussy-chasing mission alone and then complain if hot ladies don't rain on them.

Men from Medellin are very happy to hang out with gringos, in fact with any foreigner who can demonstrate to appreciate their culture and makes a least a half-decent effort: that could mean a passable level of spoken Spanish, knowing how to dance Salsa or even just smiling and letting himself go. Of course a social circle doesn't come on supermarket shelves, but since it's so bloody easy to get to know somebody who will then introduce somebody else etc. - it takes a particularly socially impaired person to live more than a few weeks in Medellin and complain they don't know anybody yet.
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Postby publicduende » Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:16 pm

OutWest wrote:This simple reality will be avoided by most men from the USA even while they continue to complain about their lack of success. The Instant On, TV Remote version of reality that most American men subscribe to, pretty well relegates them to P4P girls unless they are willing to change their attitudes.

>>>Why do men think that a great girl overseas should just roll over for them when he has not taken the time to connect with her culture and family in any meaningful way, and does not demonstrate some
kind of ongoing connection to her place that would sustain a long term relationship?

Many of the best girls can easily spot when they are being gamed- they are not interested in being
some manwhore's vacation GF. But of course, American men will continue to troll the world, blowing into this city of that, and post their "take" on the local girls, when in reality they have no clue beyond the bar girl or two they paid for.

The men who think differently have little competition.


As usual, wisely said. Minimal effort, maximum result, the same mantra you gringos are relentlessly sold by every snake oil salesman, from TV to the White House.

It must be said, though, that in places like Medellin a genuine desire to learn the local ropes with a view to living at least medium term or doing business, goes a very, very long way. Unfortunately most Americans simply cannot afford to take more than two weeks off a year, so they have to settle for the lowest common denominator relationships. And even then, I guess it's still possible to leave a dent and be seen as serious people, not manwhores.
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Postby Jester » Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:20 am

publicduende wrote:
jmbPtforlife wrote:I don't know about colombians not doing online dating. More new girls sign up in Medellin each day for Colombian cupid than on Thaifriendly each day in bangkok. Its a pretty easy count to do and bangkok is larger.

Meeting through social circle is still the most popular way but the majority of gringos never have and never will have a significant male social circle in Colombia. Colombian guys and gringos don't hang out (at least in Medellin). So unless you are still in Uni I think social circle is hard in Medellin to acquire if you aren't Colombian and already have one. You can't just go and buy one at Exito.


It depends on who these Colombians are, who they're looking for. I can pretty much guarantee you that, bar those who have fixations/fetishes for specific foreign cultures and countries, any standard Colombian hotty is pretty happy getting a local boyfriend.

I would say "shame on Gringos" if they don't (or can't get) a male social circle. Colombians are extremely friendly and gregarious, and there's always a house parties in a large finca (large countryside house) to choose from, sometimes even during weekdays. I think it's a typical trait of the Anglo mindset, to go on on a p***y-chasing mission alone and then complain if hot ladies don't rain on them.

Men from Medellin are very happy to hang out with gringos, in fact with any foreigner who can demonstrate to appreciate their culture and makes a least a half-decent effort: that could mean a passable level of spoken Spanish, knowing how to dance Salsa or even just smiling and letting himself go. Of course a social circle doesn't come on supermarket shelves, but since it's so bloody easy to get to know somebody who will then introduce somebody else etc. - it takes a particularly socially impaired person to live more than a few weeks in Medellin and complain they don't know anybody yet.


Criticism that is USEFUL.

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Postby publicduende » Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:13 pm

Jester wrote:
publicduende wrote:
jmbPtforlife wrote:I don't know about colombians not doing online dating. More new girls sign up in Medellin each day for Colombian cupid than on Thaifriendly each day in bangkok. Its a pretty easy count to do and bangkok is larger.

Meeting through social circle is still the most popular way but the majority of gringos never have and never will have a significant male social circle in Colombia. Colombian guys and gringos don't hang out (at least in Medellin). So unless you are still in Uni I think social circle is hard in Medellin to acquire if you aren't Colombian and already have one. You can't just go and buy one at Exito.


It depends on who these Colombians are, who they're looking for. I can pretty much guarantee you that, bar those who have fixations/fetishes for specific foreign cultures and countries, any standard Colombian hotty is pretty happy getting a local boyfriend.

I would say "shame on Gringos" if they don't (or can't get) a male social circle. Colombians are extremely friendly and gregarious, and there's always a house parties in a large finca (large countryside house) to choose from, sometimes even during weekdays. I think it's a typical trait of the Anglo mindset, to go on on a p***y-chasing mission alone and then complain if hot ladies don't rain on them.

Men from Medellin are very happy to hang out with gringos, in fact with any foreigner who can demonstrate to appreciate their culture and makes a least a half-decent effort: that could mean a passable level of spoken Spanish, knowing how to dance Salsa or even just smiling and letting himself go. Of course a social circle doesn't come on supermarket shelves, but since it's so bloody easy to get to know somebody who will then introduce somebody else etc. - it takes a particularly socially impaired person to live more than a few weeks in Medellin and complain they don't know anybody yet.


Criticism that is USEFUL.

THANK YOU.

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Some of you Americanos just have to learn to take it easy... :)
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