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Will N. Dowd
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No commitment Sex versus Serious Relationships

Post by Will N. Dowd » July 31st, 2014, 9:27 am

I find it quite strange how a lot of Filipina and other girls are horrified, offended or insulted when guys like me hit them up for no commitment sex or casual fun as it is sometimes called. These are usually girls that put in their online profiles they are only after serious relationships. I almost always screen girls online and ask what they are after, fun or serious only. Even though some say they want serious in their profiles, they are still up for fun sometimes too, so that's why I ask.

Anyways, the girls that are offended by my propositions don't really think about what they want versus what I want. I mean I'm only asking for physical intimacy, and maybe hang out. They are asking for far more out of guys but see nothing wrong with it.

They want:

Emotional Attachment
A possible lifetime commitment
Sex with only them for the rest of your life, so no cheating
Living together
Financial support of them and possibly extended family.
The inevitable contract signed involving religion and/or the government in the relationship.
The wedding and honeymoon and all the nonsense associated with it
As many kids as they want
Have I forgotten anything?

They want all that, and are offended when I only want sex?

I have to agree with Tom Leykis when he says that he is offended when women want serious relationships and marriage, considering how much is involved compared to just sex.

As usual I'm sure some people here will agree with me and Tom Leykis, and some will disagree.
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Re: No commitment Sex versus Serious Relationships

Post by davewe » July 31st, 2014, 5:28 pm

Will N. Dowd wrote:I find it quite strange how a lot of Filipina and other girls are horrified, offended or insulted when guys like me hit them up for no commitment sex or casual fun as it is sometimes called. These are usually girls that put in their online profiles they are only after serious relationships. I almost always screen girls online and ask what they are after, fun or serious only. Even though some say they want serious in their profiles, they are still up for fun sometimes too, so that's why I ask.

Anyways, the girls that are offended by my propositions don't really think about what they want versus what I want. I mean I'm only asking for physical intimacy, and maybe hang out. They are asking for far more out of guys but see nothing wrong with it.

They want:

Emotional Attachment
A possible lifetime commitment
Sex with only them for the rest of your life, so no cheating
Living together
Financial support of them and possibly extended family.
The inevitable contract signed involving religion and/or the government in the relationship.
The wedding and honeymoon and all the nonsense associated with it
As many kids as they want
Have I forgotten anything?

They want all that, and are offended when I only want sex? Come on!

I have to agree with Tom Leykis when he says that he is offended when women want serious relationships and marriage, considering how much is involved compared to just sex.

As usual I'm sure some people here will agree with me and Tom Leykis, and some will disagree.
I'm interested to here peoples opinions.
As you say, "Even though some say they want serious in their profiles, they are still up for fun sometimes too, so that's why I ask." So the ones who are open for fun are good for you, and the ones who are only interested in "serious" are not. Why is this a problem?

If I had a dating profile and I made it clear in the profile that I was only interested in a casual, fun relationship without marriage, and a girl contacted me and immediately started discussing marriage, I would be a bit annoyed and ask whether she had read my profile. So a girl whose profile says she is looking for serious might be equally annoyed at being asked for a b***y call.

Course the good news, as you well know, is that there are plenty who are open to that b***y call :)

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Re: No commitment Sex versus Serious Relationships

Post by Banano » July 31st, 2014, 5:42 pm

"Sex with only them for the rest of your life"

This reason alone is the deal breaker :lol:




Basically they are very well aware that they got nothing to offer to men apart from their vagina and they wanna sell it to the highest bidder while its still young and fresh, they want to lock you in unfavorable lifelong contract hoping you are not going to read fine print.

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Post by Banano » July 31st, 2014, 5:53 pm

All Filipinas will say the following:

Im God fearing..(nothing but cliche)
Traditional - (yet looking for foreigner on dating site....hmmm nothing traditional about that)
Looking for Serious relatio....(but still ok with sucking c0ck on the first date)



It is nothing but the game

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Re: No commitment Sex versus Serious Relationships

Post by Teal Lantern » July 31st, 2014, 6:26 pm

Will N. Dowd wrote: They want:

Emotional Attachment
A possible lifetime commitment
Sex with only them for the rest of your life, so no cheating
Living together
Financial support of them and possibly extended family.
The inevitable contract signed involving religion and/or the government in the relationship.
The wedding and honeymoon and all the nonsense associated with it
As many kids as they want
Have I forgotten anything?

They want all that, and are offended when I only want sex? Come on!
Flip it around.
Imagine you had a LONG list of wants/needs and only ONE thing (with a shelf life) potential providers of those wants/needs were willing to exchange for.
You'd try to get as high a serious bid as possible, no? :D
не поглеждай назад. 8)

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Post by newlifeinphilippines » August 1st, 2014, 1:42 am

I think will n dowds strategy is a very empty way to do things in phil if your staying here long term.

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Post by hammanta » August 1st, 2014, 4:03 am

Emotional Attachment
A possible lifetime commitment
Sex with only them for the rest of your life, so no cheating
Living together
Financial support of them and possibly extended family.
The inevitable contract signed involving religion and/or the government in the relationship.
The wedding and honeymoon and all the nonsense associated with it
As many kids as they want
Have I forgotten anything?
Wow aren't you the perfect catch :lol:

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Post by drealm » August 1st, 2014, 4:36 am

Women are agnostic submissives. They want whatever the strongest hand in the house guides them to. Whether this is being whored out by sleazy degenerates or refined into a wife by traditional patriarchs depends on which man selects her. What she says before hand is just subconscious marketing speak to appear less dirty, which women associate with being less pretty.

Regarding the trade offs, a woman is also trading her youth, beauty and fertility so it is not just sex.

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Post by Ghost » August 1st, 2014, 7:56 pm

The Philippines is a very promiscuous society with a veneer of being traditional. As with most of Asia, most things they say are cultural programming and do not reflect what they will really do. It's a tropical island country with lots of poverty and unemployment. People don't wear modest clothes genereally because of the heat and humidity. And since many are unemployed, there's not much to do except lay around and f**k. This is a simplification, but that's the idea.

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Post by droid » August 2nd, 2014, 1:29 am

drealm wrote:What she says before hand is just subconscious marketing speak to appear less dirty, which women associate with being less pretty.
Hahahaha :lol:
1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
2)Everybody is full of it. What's your hypocrisy?

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Re: No commitment Sex versus Serious Relationships

Post by Jester » August 2nd, 2014, 1:40 am

Banano wrote:"Sex with only them for the rest of your life"

This reason alone is the deal breaker :lol:




Basically they are very well aware that they got nothing to offer to men apart from their v****a and they wanna sell it to the highest bidder while its still young and fresh, they want to lock you in unfavorable lifelong contract hoping you are not going to read fine print.
So you just ASSUME that for some reason women are going to CHANGE after they get married?





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Post by publicduende » August 2nd, 2014, 11:56 am

Ghost wrote:The Philippines is a very promiscuous society with a veneer of being traditional. As with most of Asia, most things they say are cultural programming and do not reflect what they will really do. It's a tropical island country with lots of poverty and unemployment. People don't wear modest clothes generally because of the heat and humidity. And since many are unemployed, there's not much to do except lay around and f**k. This is a simplification, but that's the idea.
Not really true. This is the kind of Filipino society the typical Western whoremonger, or somebody who has never lived there, will see. A good proportion of Filipinos are middle class, they work their arses off all day and it is not uncommmon at all for women to juggle (or wrestle!) with a full-time job and a several kids. It really depends on who you meet, and who you mingle with. Which, in turn, is largely dependent on who you are as a person and what status you will get over there.

If one is a low quality man at home, unattractive and un/under-employed, with no other ambition than look for the cheapest sexual fun they can pack in a 3-week trip, a "tropical island country with lots of poverty and unemployment" where people don't have much more to do than eat and f**k is a veritable picture of what they will see. Indeed, that is pretty much the only picture of the Philippines they will ever get to see.

I thought that, by now, it was quite clear that showing tolerance to the host culture and commitment to a girl and her family/social entourage is the best, if not the only, way to blend well into Filipino culture, and discover its (not so) hidden aspects: a quality young woman, respect and warmth from the community, higher social status.

We have Outwest, Pete, DaveWe, Marcos Zeitola and quite a few more. Can they all be wrong?

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Post by davewe » August 2nd, 2014, 4:21 pm

publicduende wrote:
Ghost wrote:The Philippines is a very promiscuous society with a veneer of being traditional. As with most of Asia, most things they say are cultural programming and do not reflect what they will really do. It's a tropical island country with lots of poverty and unemployment. People don't wear modest clothes generally because of the heat and humidity. And since many are unemployed, there's not much to do except lay around and f**k. This is a simplification, but that's the idea.
Not really true. This is the kind of Filipino society the typical Western whoremonger, or somebody who has never lived there, will see. A good proportion of Filipinos are middle class, they work their arses off all day and it is not uncommmon at all for women to juggle (or wrestle!) with a full-time job and a several kids. It really depends on who you meet, and who you mingle with. Which, in turn, is largely dependent on who you are as a person and what status you will get over there.

If one is a low quality man at home, unattractive and un/under-employed, with no other ambition than look for the cheapest sexual fun they can pack in a 3-week trip, a "tropical island country with lots of poverty and unemployment" where people don't have much more to do than eat and f**k is a veritable picture of what they will see. Indeed, that is pretty much the only picture of the Philippines they will ever get to see.

I thought that, by now, it was quite clear that showing tolerance to the host culture and commitment to a girl and her family/social entourage is the best, if not the only, way to blend well into Filipino culture, and discover its (not so) hidden aspects: a quality young woman, respect and warmth from the community, higher social status.

We have Outwest, Pete, DaveWe, Marcos Zeitola and quite a few more. Can they all be wrong?
+1 My only modifier would be to say that many poor work their asses off to. My wife juggled a full time job and full time school and still managed to find time for me. That being said, she had several college friends who somehow managed to juggle work, school and multiple boyfriends. Young people have energy :)

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Post by hammanta » August 2nd, 2014, 5:39 pm

publicduende wrote:
Ghost wrote:The Philippines is a very promiscuous society with a veneer of being traditional. As with most of Asia, most things they say are cultural programming and do not reflect what they will really do. It's a tropical island country with lots of poverty and unemployment. People don't wear modest clothes generally because of the heat and humidity. And since many are unemployed, there's not much to do except lay around and f**k. This is a simplification, but that's the idea.
Not really true. This is the kind of Filipino society the typical Western whoremonger, or somebody who has never lived there, will see. A good proportion of Filipinos are middle class, they work their arses off all day and it is not uncommmon at all for women to juggle (or wrestle!) with a full-time job and a several kids. It really depends on who you meet, and who you mingle with. Which, in turn, is largely dependent on who you are as a person and what status you will get over there.

If one is a low quality man at home, unattractive and un/under-employed, with no other ambition than look for the cheapest sexual fun they can pack in a 3-week trip, a "tropical island country with lots of poverty and unemployment" where people don't have much more to do than eat and f**k is a veritable picture of what they will see. Indeed, that is pretty much the only picture of the Philippines they will ever get to see.

I thought that, by now, it was quite clear that showing tolerance to the host culture and commitment to a girl and her family/social entourage is the best, if not the only, way to blend well into Filipino culture, and discover its (not so) hidden aspects: a quality young woman, respect and warmth from the community, higher social status.

We have Outwest, Pete, DaveWe, Marcos Zeitola and quite a few more. Can they all be wrong?
Spot on PublicDuende. Most foreigners simply don't ever venture into the real Philippines and base their experience off solely Manila, Cebu, or other larger cities. I've always said the True Philippines (what well traveled foreigners talk about) is in the rural areas. That is where the hard working average, everyday citizens are or "masa." This gets masked by the hustle, bustle, and sleaze factor of large cities. People in these areas usually aren't looking for handouts, or trying to scam you. They just go on with their lives. Some of the friendliest and welcoming people you will ever meet. Very little prostitution, if any, more laid back lifestyle, sense of community and the women are much more conservative. Many foreigners can't think past their dick and find these areas appalling, or perhaps hate the social exclusion of being the only foreigner without first world luxuries. I can't always blame them for that notion because it can be quite overwhelming at first, but narrow mindedness only leads to a sense of unfulfillment. Evident by some posters here.

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Post by Ghost » August 2nd, 2014, 6:40 pm

I didn't come here as a monger, so that has nothing to do with coloring my view of it. I'm merely speaking of what I've seen. Obviously there is a middle class and it works differently from the "normal" part of Filipino society. The middle class tends to be the exception, of course. There are tons of single moms, sluts, and generally not so nice girls. It's going to be hard to avoid attention from all these even if you don't go there as a monger. It's still there, and that is mainstream society there. Pointing out exceptions does not disprove the rule. Regardless, there are decent girls there so I was not saying this to be defeatist.

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