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This video explains why women hate the idea of MGTOW.
"When I think about the idea of getting involved with an American woman, I don't know if I should laugh .............. or vomit!"
"Trying to meet women in America is like trying to decipher Egyptian hieroglyphics."
To be fair: it's not just women who hate them. I personally find their attitude and worldview rather shitty, pessimistic, defeatist and weak. Rather then going their own way in the West, men ought to go AWAY to better places, with better women and better opportunities. I'm missing that good old fashioned cowboy pioneer mentality of exploring and adventuring, finding your own place under the sun. Life with a bad woman may be a nasty experience, but life without a solid relationship and simply flying solo for all your life, seems just as miserable to me. A good woman is where it's at. And nature and religion have, since the dawn of time, stated that man and woman need one another. A traditional and masculine man should be MGTOW unless he's a closet case or using the movement as an excuse to explain his lack of activity in improving his life's circumstances.
MGTOW may freak out Western women, and rightfully so, but what freaks them out a lot more is men going abroad because once they do, they lost their grip on these men forever. The man abroad is happier, succesfull (if he plays his cards right), and women see this. A Western woman does not hate MGTOW to the same degree because at least MGTOW have the decency to be miserable bastards, and this confirms Western women in their line of thinking.
If you want to REALLY piss Western women off, don't go your own way at home, but go away to a new home abroad and find true, lasting happiness in a superior culture.
Oh the grass definitely is greener on the other side, my friend! It just takes a gardener's eye to see green grass where a pessimist sees only weed.
or you just keep on chasing greener and greener and never be happy. sort of like people who become richer and richer and are never happy. You get a 6 then you want a 7. You get a loyal wife but then you fatnasize about freedom or no kids or a hotter wife. The grass is never greener. Just more and more wants in a vicious cycle.
I think the vicious circle is just you describing yourself. All I ever wanted was a simple life, a loyal wife and a loving family. I am perfectly happy with what I have, and the only improvements to my life I may seek are for the sake of my loved ones. The life I live is a more traditional and simple one. The food is good, the beer is cheap, the wife is sweet and I have a beautiful daughter. I'm pretty much a tall white Filipino at this point. I discovered I do not fit into the culture of the West, so I went to a country where I fit in better. By next year I will have saved enough money to move abroad permanently, and generate a stable income. You still make more in a month then I do in a year, but in the province our income is above average.
The more, more, more!- mentality is a WESTERN mentality. It is a 21th century mentality. I do not have a 21th century mentality and I'm perfectly happy with having less. Sometimes, less is more. I get to appreciate the little things in life, without putting a pricetag on it. I get to experience love, without paying for a surrogate relationship. I get to experience being a husband, a father, a friend, and found happiness in this role. I no longer live just to please me, but for my family. In a way I went, and am going, my own way. But for me, my own way is not motivated by selfishness.
Well as long as you have sustainable income that is guaranteed pretty much to be there always thats the most important. Most foreigners just try to wing it by starting some business there which often doesn't pan out or are on some unstable online income that could come and go and send them packing when it doesn't work out. They may be making 1 or 2K a month online for the next 5 years but that is no guarantee of the future. For example I think winston has a stable model but theres no guarantee that in 5 years he might have a bunch of competitors and his traffic dies and he loses alot of income or he loses his rank in the search engines. I got devastated by google in 2012 but i learned a whole new approach and niche and now i make more than almost anyone on the net. My income is really unreliable on many fronts so im safer back in america and unattached at least for now till i can get more comfortable. I think though all this stuff is easier said than done and you will always wish for more bigger lifestyle because thats what you were used to. you working for her family business or something?
Its human nature to want more and more the best of what we can get. Ironcally its not material possesions i seek its time, freedom, the ability to travel, power, and the hottest woman. Unfortunately though money often is needed for some or all of those things. you can't have freedom and time and power and often even a hot woman unless you have some money and the more you have the better you can acheive that things.
MGTOW is a response to feminism, so of course women don't like it. It's a group of men "walking away from the plantation" as they put it. And it is a useful tool while in America. It's far too late to change anything, as MRAs have demonstrated. They are useless at effecting change. MGTOWs are honest about that, but little better. They like to speak highly of man for building and sustaining civilization and in the same breath decry doing anything to escape feminist societies and go try to do better, whether that means going as a dedicated group and breaking off to form a new civilization or even just going abroad so that they can still partake of man's birthright - having a family. Mention that to a MGTOW and they'll just ban you from their forums, which is a typical liberal response.
I've introduced MGTOW and other Manosphere stuff to American Leftists and they respond vehemently with the usual "dem der bunch er racist, sexist males! dem dam angry white males! waaahhh..." emotionally-driven hypocrisy. Leftists are too funny.
The MGTOW philosophy as a reaction to feminism seems cowardly to me. If a man doesn't care much for sex and marriage and he wants to be a mountain man living off the land by himself, that's fine with me. But if he really would want to marry but he decides to go MGTOW because he's been reading about how bad feminism is on manosphere websites, going MGTOW over that seems stupid and cowardly to me.
The fact that there are millions of non-feminist women in countries around the world undercuts the MGTOW argument. Feminism doesn't have a stranglehold on everyone. Even in the US, there are women who aren't feminist in their thinking. It's a continuum. On the far non-feminist extreme there are Amish. There are also conservative home schooled families. Then there are religious subcultures and other ethnic groups in the US where the man is in charge. Then there are plenty of other countries where feminism is not prominent in the media. Indonesia was like that while I was there. Sit around with co-workers and say that wives should submit to their husbands or you are looking for a wife who knows how to cook and you are unlikely to get an evil feminist scowl back or feel that tension you might feel in the US.
Some of the MGTOW videos I saw on YouTube argue that if you don't marry, you get to save and keep your money. Single men earn less (probably mostly a motivation/responsibility issue issue.) But if they earn a lot of money, what are they going to do with it? Die and leave the money to their dog? What's the point of having a lot of money if you don't have anyone to share it with? You can go eat at the most expensive restaurant in town, but do it by yourself or with some other dude, your fishing buddy instead of a woman? It sounds like a drag to me. They talk about the risk of a 50% divorce rate (which you can reduce greatly in the US by choosing carefully), but isn't actually getting to have sex in life worth the risk of losing some of your finances for most men anyway?
I'm fine with men gifted to be celibate for life who devote themselves to noble causes. Staying away from women and marriage when you really want it out of fear of divorce is foolish though.
Percentagewise, both of these are small. The nice wall flower women who aren't sleeping around probably don't like the idea of good-looking men with decent jobs going MGTOW or marrying abroad. Neither do slutty feminists who want to eventually marry after they have used up their youth and sexuality and are ready to settle down.
As a guy in a third world country. I see MGTOW having great potential for humanity and western guys in general.
MGTOWs can really change the world....I think they are using Feminism and other tools to make you feel guilty and come back to a controlled society and fight a useless controlled war with FemiNazi when you have so much potential to be greater going your own way and not minding anything
1. MGTOWs won't join Military Industrial Complex - That would solve half of the world problems. The elites can't outsource everything to third world countries - for real stuff like operating a nuclear powered sub marines etc..They need western mind, discipline etc to execute their evil plans on the ground.
2. No corporate slavery - Even if few % of western men go MGTOW - Corporations would loose its steam greatly and won't have the men on ground to execute their evil plans.
3. No money - No Consumer Spending - No Walmart - No McDo - The consumer, mindless culture of the world would stop when the west puts a stop on it.
Essentially, MGTOW = Elites not finding quality men to do their dirty work. We third world can only do so much.
MGTOW has really great potential to change the world - only issue is Elites infilterating the movement and putting their own trolls and its leaders and misleading the movement, muddying the water etc...
Don't Join it _ Be it and go your own way
At least they do advocate for "starving the beast," one of the few things they advocate that would be useful if men in feminist societies would do it en masse.
"Well actually, she's not REALLY my daughter. But she does like to call me Daddy... at certain moments..."
Sandman's premise is flawed. I don't think women hate MGTOW rather I think women could care less. women are not attracted to the men who would be attracted to MGTOW. women want the badboy scumbag and they are attracted to that type of guy almost every time. these women also can't figure out why the badboy scumbag is acting like a scumbag and cheating on them.