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Re: Getting Married: Pre-Nupts And Americanization

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Re: Getting Married: Pre-Nupts And Americanization

Postby OutWest » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:29 am

The family code of the Philippines does not apply within the USA. Im not sure what you were refering to about "settlement" of marriage within the philippines as divorce is not legal within the phippines. How exactly could a document regulating the division of property in case of divorce apply in the philippines?
Wisdom does not have to involve a lawyer. My wife would have taken offense at being asked to sign such a thing...it seems like Americans need lawyers to even take a dump. At amy rate...what the law says in the Philippines will always be just a small part of the story...it's about what can actually be inforced. No offense intended, but the modern American style of love seems pretty dark
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Re: Getting Married: Pre-Nupts And Americanization

Postby drealm » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:34 am

Your first mistake is letting your wife work. This is will ensure she does loser her good qualities.

I've never heard of anyone successfully pulling off a pre-nup in the states.

A better insurance is attending a conservative religion of your choice with your wife.
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Re: Getting Married: Pre-Nupts And Americanization

Postby drealm » Fri Feb 27, 2015 5:44 am

A first rank google search just produced these lovely exceptions to prenup: http://www.attorneys.com/divorce/when-is-a-prenuptial-agreement-enforceable/

The agreement is entered into voluntarily and is not considered unconscionable (defined as overly one-sided, oppressive, and unfair).
The agreement is considered fair and does not render either party destitute.


Any American who marries a Filipina will obviously be entering into a "overly one-sided" agreement due to wealth disparity.

"fair" obviously means anything, same with "destitute".

If you're looking for something along the lines of, "you arrived in this country with 1 dollar and that's where you'll be if you divorce me" I don't think you're going to find it (I do support this extreme).
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Re: Getting Married: Pre-Nupts And Americanization

Postby Mr Natural » Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:25 pm

If you have "considerable assets" then it's hard for me to understand why you feel the absolute necessity to stay in the USA 10 more years. Sounds like a self imposed problem to me. I've always thought it's not good to bring em to the states if there is any way you can help it, chances of her going bad on you are much greater. BUT, a lot of guys do beat those odds (which are dependent on age difference and various other factors). And if she does go bad on you, the USA might actually be the better location for it, believe it or not. You aint seen anything in the states compared to the way it's possible to get fleeced in a foreign country.
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Re: Getting Married: Pre-Nupts And Americanization

Postby tre » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:45 pm

You are taking a risk if you bring your girl from the Philippines to the USA for marriage....no way around it. You can't possibly know what she is capable of which is the reason so many get burned. If you allow her to work or socialize on her own with other women in the USA (especially Americanized Filipinas), the risk goes up ten-fold. I flat out would not do what you are thinking of doing, but that's me. The only reasonably safe option is to move to the Philippines and keep her there with you. You can be even more secure if you don't marry her, but make it very clear that you will leave if she is dishonest or betrays you. This keeps you in the drivers seat no matter what. You cannot buy land in the Philippines so the only way to build a home is to get the land purchased in the name of your Filipina. I personally would not consider this as you WILL lose the entire property if the relationship goes bad. The safer alternative is to just rent...which is cheap in the Philippines.

I know of FIlipinas that marry US Citizens. They work, save money, send it home. They will buy property and build their wealth within the Philippines. They will go to the Philippines on vacation and sleep with young Filipinos. Then, when they are ready financially, they could divorce their husband, take half of everything in the USA and ALL (100%) of everything in the Philippines. They can then go to back to the Philippines and live like a queen while their ex-husband is left crippled forever within the USA. They put themselves in the drivers seat and they have ALL the power due to their dual citizenship status.

I am not saying that your Filipina will do this, but be aware that she will be made aware of her "power" in the relationship if she hangs out with Americanized Filipinas in the USA. If you marry and relocate her within the USA, you'd better isolate her in an area where there is less chance of her becoming corrupted....
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Re: Getting Married: Pre-Nupts And Americanization

Postby Mr Natural » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:26 am

Excellent post Tre, couldn't have summed it up better myself.

To the OP, there are no guarantees in life but there are always things you can do to improve your odds. You have to decide if you are willing or even able to do those things. If you aren't then at the least you have to recognize and accept that you are making that CHOICE which reduces your odds. If you have considerable assets then you are in a better position to get out of the USA than 95% of us. So how bad do you want it? Or put another way, how bad do you want her?
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Re: Getting Married: Pre-Nupts And Americanization

Postby chanta76 » Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:26 pm

I have a pre-nup. I think whatever asset you have and made before you got married should be yours. My recommendation is get a decent lawyer and write out everything that you own and have. Let say the worst case your marriage does not work out and your ex-wife would have to hire a smart lawyer to do away with the pre-nup but it's not that easy. The only way you can do away the pre-nup is if you force her to sign it or and hide asset that she didn't know about.

My advice you should really discuss worst case that can happen between you and your future wife. You have to really know her. I think it doesn't matter if she is Americanize or not. A evil women is everywhere regardless of nationality. At the same time I'm one of the few that think not all American women are evil or all foreign women are a God send. You have to use common sense.
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Re: Getting Married: Pre-Nupts And Americanization

Postby pensiveman » Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:06 pm

tre wrote:I know of FIlipinas that marry US Citizens. They work, save money, send it home. They will buy property and build their wealth within the Philippines. They will go to the Philippines on vacation and sleep with young Filipinos. Then, when they are ready financially, they could divorce their husband, take half of everything in the USA and ALL (100%) of everything in the Philippines. They can then go to back to the Philippines and live like a queen while their ex-husband is left crippled forever within the USA. They put themselves in the drivers seat and they have ALL the power due to their dual citizenship status.


http://www.returnofkings.com/4658/dont-believe-the-lies-about-foreign-brides

What then almost always follows are anecdotal accounts of people who know scores of Russian, Eastern European or foreign women who are foreign brides that divorced local men after they brought them in. I would love to know where these guys meet all these divorced bitches with their new green cards, but the minute you raise this topic everyone knows like 300 of them it seems.


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Re: Getting Married: Pre-Nupts And Americanization

Postby WorldTraveler » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:28 pm

pensiveman wrote:
What then almost always follows are anecdotal accounts of people who know scores of Russian, Eastern European or foreign women who are foreign brides that divorced local men after they brought them in. I would love to know where these guys meet all these divorced bitches with their new green cards, but the minute you raise this topic everyone knows like 300 of them it seems.


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I meet foreign born women at work, at socials, and where they work. I go to international socials. There are a lot of FSU women there who all claim they came over by winning the visa lottery. My guess is that they were all mail order brides. They are all attractive. I currently work with a divorced Russian.

I am getting a one sided view because I meet single women that are out. If they are happily married they aren't out. I don't think I've worked with any married SEA or FSU women.
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Re: Re: Getting Married: Pre-Nupts And Americanization

Postby Ghost » Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:04 pm

A better solution than trying to go through the system is just to hide anything that you are not willing to part with. Your ex-wife can't take what she doesn't know about. Of course, better to marry abroad and stay with her abroad than bringing her back. Then it's even less of an issue.
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Re: Getting Married: Pre-Nupts And Americanization

Postby KenPatrick » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:50 am

Divorces in the US and the agreements are done at the state level. So there could be 50 different answers. And pre-nupt don't relieve a person of immigration obligations or child support if that should happen, and if it is contested in court who knows? Even a lawyer won't make a gaurartee.
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Re: Re: Getting Married: Pre-Nupts And Americanization

Postby kanimiro » Mon May 30, 2016 7:13 am

do not marry ....never do that
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Re: Re: Getting Married: Pre-Nupts And Americanization

Postby cdnFA » Tue May 31, 2016 2:03 am

A prenup won't allow you to leave someone destitute however in Canada at least, the courts will do a settlement with an eye to encouraging the poor party to start earning their own keep in a timely fashion.

As in, if she has nothing, you will be expected to pony up something but not so much and for so long as to make her think she shouldn't bother getting a job.

The way around this is to encourage her to work. Also if you are older than her, she can provide for herself when you are dead.

Also prenups are not worth shit if you have kids.

However, if she can provide for herself, or if you are willing to risk some seed money to get her on her feet, and there are no kids and if she got herself a lawyer to look over the paper work, a prenup should be pretty safe.

Yeah there are stories out there, but a 39 year old woman gave a beat down to a 6 year old kid at a Walmart in Canada. We will still go to them.

There seems to be this idea in the manosphere that you should be able to marry someone, keep her at home doing the cooking and the cleaning and crapping out your kids and taking care of them and the moment the marriage ends regardless of reason, she should be booted out the door with no obligations.
If the situation was revered I'd bet you would want some pretty solid pre nups making sure you are compensating for giving up on a career.
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Re: Getting Married: Pre-Nupts And Americanization

Postby Johnny1975 » Tue May 31, 2016 1:00 pm

Johnny's rules for peace of mind :


* Never, ever, ever get married, in any country. Laws can change at any time.

* Do not officially cohabitate. This means, have your own place that you rent, and don't have mail sent to her place (where you also live, but not officially). If it ends, you just walk out of her apartment and stroll back home to your rented apartment that no one can take from you.

* Do not get involved in any official agreement with her about anything. No cosigning, no joint bank accounts, nothing.

* When you give her your share of the household expenses, give it to her in cash, in a place where you know there are no cameras, and don't get your fingerprints on the cash (withdraw it at night, with gloves). Just leave it somewhere and tell her to take it.

* Do and say everything to be a golddigger repellant. Calculate the minimum amount of income that a single guy in the country that you're in would earn without (reasonable) women thinking he's too poor to date. Then, every time you meet a girl, give her the impression that that's more or less what you earn (you can gradually increase it over time). Make the first date free, and the next few dates very cheap, and tell her that you'd appreciate a small contribution from time to time. Tell her that you're very shrewd and frugal and don't care much about money. Tell her to work, at least part time, and to contribute financially so that she's invested.

* If you don't want to live in her country, choose another country that is conservative.



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Re: Getting Married: Pre-Nupts And Americanization

Postby jamesbond » Tue May 31, 2016 2:06 pm

Here is a good video explaining why pre nups in America are not enforceable and don't work a lot of the time.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q504LcDsPk0[/youtube]
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