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In my experience it was most for the time in Asia if I had first been communicating with the girl online for some time. I went 4/4 in China, with 3 of them bedded within minutes of checking in to my hotel - I was even shocked. There was great anticipation on their part as they were "falling in love". The key elements seemed to be, she is in to you and views you as future husband potential, and you let her know you are in to her and excited, and then man up and take her. They love it and may give you a little fake resistance but they do want to be taken by a real man. With most girls in Asia we were like rabbits right from the beginning. All of these were highly educated ladies with very few BFs in their past and holding professional jobs. No bar girls. Its a freakin buffet line over there if you are sincere and you both are feeling it before your first meeting. The deeper conversation came later
probably 80% of mine do but thats because i skip out on 'dates' and only hang out with girls that agree to hang out at my place
All this sounds fun and all, but how the f*k do you dump girls that fall in love with you? How do guys with 1000+ notch counts manage to just let go of those girls like if nothing? Not judging here as i'm very sexual myself, but right now this one girl is head over heels for me and i just can't bring myself to break her heart.
In addition it is well known that once you p*n*trate a girl, she starts developing a deep bond with you, making things even more complicated. Theory is one thing but reality is very different...
Even guys like Winston, zboy1, ethang, you being deeper and more romantic; how did you guys let go of those chinese girls you scored with?
1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
2)Everybody is full of it. What's your hypocrisy?
Way back when in US and English culture, a man who bedded women he had not wedded was called a cad. Convincing a girl to have sex with promises of marriage was called seduction, and there were penalties for it.
In some of those Asian countries, a decent man wouldn't sleep with a girl and not marry her. Having a boyfriend is a big deal. Kissing is a big deal, much like it used to be in our culture, like two bases further than giving oral sex is with some of the younger gen Y girls in the US. If she thinks you are a decent guy, she may convince herself surely you wouldn't ruin her and then not marry her. That's just basic human decency. Some girls may think like that. A man needs to consider these things and behave in an ethical manner toward her.
Sex can also result in pregnancy, children, and also disease, and angry fathers, or in some cases angry boyfriends or husbands.
This is another reason why p4p is moral. It feels really bad to be hurt and to hurt others. That's a pain that never really goes away, for me at least. I have had a chance to meet a virgin, but she was waiting for marriage and I knew I couldn't marry her. So I avoided going to meet her.
If the girl has already slept around, then fine, fair game. But if she's a virgin waiting for marriage, men should think what they are really doing. They are stealing a wife from another man.
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Look for women who automatically want to please you because it pleases them. Any woman who seeks to please her man is a treasure. Even better if you don't have to ask but rather suggest.
Breaking hearts is why I stopped and found an Asian girl locally. The last 2 GFs I had - Thailand and Indonesia - the girls were badly hurt when we broke it off. I did not want to repeat it as I am no mongerer. I was seriously wife hunting. The problem is many of the ladies you meet in Asia want it bad and want to capture you for marriage. Before you know it your in deep in a matter of days. They are already planning the wedding in their head when you realize it may not be a match. They are hard to resist in the beginning and for an American guy it's a euphoric experience. I still carry sadness over the break ups and these girls still write me 2 yrs later. Interestingly, the women from China were much more accepting and it was a clean break.
I remember watching a documentary about WWII. It said in English culture, men had been taught some restraint about having sex. The English girls who slept with American soldiers interpreted it as a promise of marriage. But American girls had learned that they were the gatekeepers and were responsible not to have sex before marriage, some English girls ended up pregnant without their American soldier love interests marrying them. I don't actually read this stuff, but I've seen movies of Charles Dickens and Jane Austen novels. The men think they are doing wrong if they lead the girls on, emotionally. They didn't have sex with them. They just went courting with chaperones, visited the girl's house on Sunday afternoon, sometimes with another potential suitor present.
A man going to Asia to look for a wife needs to realize he's going to have to show some restraint. Some girls will want you so bad they won't exercise theirs, but it's a lot bigger deal to them in parts of Asia than it is in the US. And if they lose their virginity, it's either going to be hard to marry or their husbands will be horribly cheated.
for me i always let any girl i hang out with know i am not looking for anything serious, that was only like 5% or less start to get any feelings
That's a bullshit formula. Dating is not that easy. If it were then every man would get laid. You guys live in fiction, not reality.
I've been on lots of dates and tried both being aggressive and taking it easy too. I go with the flow. If I try to be a sexual being, many women get turned off and think I have no self control and that I only want sex. You gotta read women. Most women aren't easy. You can tell from their vibe if you can go for it and seduce them or not. If they want friendly conversation and you seduce them, they will be turned off. This is common sense.
The only time I treated women like a friend was when that's what they wanted. You can tell what a woman wants by her body language and vibe. If she doesn't want you sexually, you can't make her want you by simply "acting like a sexual being." Simply put, if the chemistry isn't there, you can't create it or force it.
Yes if they really like you, as my Chinese girlfriend in dongguan did, they will have sex with you in three dates. But most women will not fall for you like that.
So its not as simple as "act like a sexual being and you will get sex". If it was that simple or easy, then there would be no pua movement and no frustrated guys. Duh. You guys sound like new age bullshit artists.
Banano, I doubt your claims. Let me see your photo. You claimed that women were hard to get before and only wanted money from you. Now you say you've banged 15 women on the first date for free? Yeah right. In which country? You have not even established any credibility.
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Bottom line is everyone will have different experiences depending on what they look like, fitness level, age and location.
Age is a big factor that HAers often forget about. Winston is is trying to sell HA solution just like PUA try to market their crap, anybody can have plenty of free sex with hot babes no matter how ugly,old,fat you are. Its pure fantacy.
Its doable BUT you need to meet minimum requirements or else you will end up sleeping with bar girls or escorts.
Pick and choose battlefields, thts crucial. Find out where people that LOOK LIKE YOU do well. Place where competition is weak.
Back in late grade school, I noticed that a subset of guys seemed to attract the lion's share of positive attention from girls while others were mostly overlooked or just got attention from maybe one or two girls. So I asked one of my more mature, worldly, and sophisticated classmates what was up with that and he simple said, "some guy got it and others don't". At that age, you can pretty much only be yourself so no PUA or other artificial stuff had entered the equation.
Maybe it's just like that Winston. A few guys really can get quick non-P4P sex consistently whenever they want. Other's spend their whole life trying to figure out the secrets to attracting women yet die just as confused as when they started out decades earlier.
Then there are plenty who fall in the middle somewhere, who may do modestly to decently in certain locations (HA solution may help these types the most). But even HA locations will not yield big improvements for all of the one's who don't get anything back in Angloville. It only makes a big improvement for some of them.
Don't ask me to explain it logically cus part of it boils down to a mysterious x-factor. Besides looks, age, game, etc. there are things that just don't seem explainable which factor into a guy's success or failures at getting intimacy from lot's of attractive girls.
Same goes for other things such as making money. Ever notice how some people seem to always get lucky with their stock investments, business ventures, gambling, etc. while others always seem to fail at these things. Take your buddy Hy for example. That guy can walk into Filipino casinos and consistently walk out with more money than he came in with, even at games which are totally chance based. Could you or I do that?
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i agree that you don't want to be to aggressive, at least not in Asia, in fact you want to do the opposite of what he says and be their friend
its not like in the western world where being friend zoned is a bad thing, the friend zone in Asia is the best place to be
all you need to do to get an Asian woman in bed is make her comfortable with you
i find it funny that you think he hasn't got 15 women in bed for free on the first date....... ive done that close to 100 times over the past year and a half, but im a young white guy in the philippines so thats kind of using a cheat code i guess
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