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Jester's Rookie Mistake In Thailand

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Re: Jester's Rookie Mistake In Thailand

Postby Jester » Mon Mar 21, 2016 1:57 am

OutWest wrote:

Especially within Thailand, this IS a business plan....chumping 101 for foreigners. At least in the Philippines it is sometimes possible to see a little conservative Catholic restraint or a touch of shame.
Besides, marrying a Kano is an actual dream come true for many filipinas. I do not think this is true for Thai gilrs...getting mo ey is pretty much it.

Thailand is littered with these tales...



Yeah, here there would be no shame in swindling. But they are so darn sweet about it!


Life is short and rarely kind. . If a man finds a girl whose heart delights in him, it's a good moment to do a self check on ones ego and pride, and go with the blessing that happened your way. . to anyone else you are either a sucker or a client.



Food for thought.
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Re: Jester's Rookie Mistake In Thailand

Postby MrMan » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:42 am

As a foreigner, can you own a coffee shop, either the location or the business in a rented location? I don't know Thai law. I can compare to Indonesia. In Indonesia, my wife could own a cafe or rent one, and I could 'own' it through her and run it if her company sponsored my visa so I could stay there. If I wanted to invest more, I suppose I could start a foreign company, which would take more money, and open a really nice cafe. I'd have to have a local co-owner of some stock of my foreign firm.

If you are going to co-own a business or if a local has to legally own it, then I don't see any way to do that with a woman you are involved with aside from being monogamous and having a relationship where you can really trust her to stay with you. That would probably mean marriage with a woman who really believes in marriage and stays with her husband because of her beliefs or because she's really in love with her husband or both.
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Re: Jester's Rookie Mistake In Thailand

Postby Jester » Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:18 am

MrMan wrote:
As a foreigner, can you own a coffee shop, either the location or the business in a rented location? I don't know Thai law. I can compare to Indonesia. In Indonesia, my wife could own a cafe or rent one, and I could 'own' it through her and run it if her company sponsored my visa so I could stay there. If I wanted to invest more, I suppose I could start a foreign company, which would take more money, and open a really nice cafe. I'd have to have a local co-owner of some stock of my foreign firm.

If you are going to co-own a business or if a local has to legally own it, then I don't see any way to do that with a woman you are involved with aside from being monogamous and having a relationship where you can really trust her to stay with you. That would probably mean marriage with a woman who really believes in marriage and stays with her husband because of her beliefs or because she's really in love with her husband or both.



Pretty much the same here as you describe.

Can start a foreign company IF you have capital AND Thai partners and have 4 Thai employees (just 2 employees in some jursidictions).

Foreign partners are usually either the staff of your lawyer's office, or your Thai wife's family. If you have some Thai faces actually WORKING there AND you have invested enough, then you can get a work permit and work there yourself. For example you could tend bar and chat up the customers, if you had 3 cocktail waitresses and a cleaner on the payroll. But typically in these countries the capital investment requirement is way too high for ordinary penniless vagrants like me, and the payroll and legal fee overhead for a company is serious too. Out of my league right now.

I was just going to put everything in Miss ChiangMai's name, that's how most guys do it. Okay if it's just a vanity business, a way to keep wifey busy and happy.

Most Farang-friendly country in the neighborhood is Cambodia, you can own 100 percent there no partners. But still cant work, just walk around and check on things.

I don't believe in monogamy, neither do most men in the world, clearly, since they admire other men who have harems. Nor do most women, actually, at the instinctive level anyway, since, like my mom, they don't mind marrying a guy who has had a harem before. Oh and neither did Jesus (read Matthew chapter 25). And since Jesus is on my side, and vice versa, I won't be changing. "Rather fight than switch."

The need to have a native start the company for you or with you is common in Asia. In Latin America you can sometimes do it on your own. Mexico, for example, was perfect for that. Pay the lawyer 1000usd then do wtf you want. Libertarian paradise.

Anyway, yeah, if I add Boopsie to the payroll, take care of her and her kid, then she thinks she will be my only family forever and ever, f**k that, she shoulda got herself an affable retired guy with a long white beard.

I am not, so you see, so affable after all.

I will make more babies, or I won't, but by the Mass, my heart's in the trim.
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Re: Jester's Rookie Mistake In Thailand

Postby Jester » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:31 am

Okay just got my ATM card back from her.

No more letting her keep it.

And from now on, I will hold any cash samlongs (reserves), not her.
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Re: Jester's Rookie Mistake In Thailand

Postby Devon » Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:19 am

Is it true that in some circumstances some Thai women, when they get angry, have been known to cut off a man's pee-pee? I read that on the internet. I don't like the sound of that. Is that just a myth?
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Re: Jester's Rookie Mistake In Thailand

Postby Jester » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:39 pm

Aint you cute?

Why dont you date one and let us know?
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Re: Jester's Rookie Mistake In Thailand

Postby droid » Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:50 pm

jester wrote: I covered with her that I wanted a harem, I wanted more children, I would have other girls here, and that Miss S would be visiting from California, and that she needed to be respectful to Miss S.


*Careful what you wish for....

I think If you have half a heart it's gonna get messy pretty quickly :oops: . I don't know how the harem would be purely ad-hoc fun and yet have them be reasonably 'faithful' to the arrangement and be semi-well-behaved. Otherwise she/they/you will start bonding, really complicated if you don't want to break some hearts.
Although from the many posts here, Thai girls are pretty heartless [?].

I'm dealing with three girls here (Vn) and they're getting attached, it's a full time job, apart from feeling like a dirtbag :oops: .And on top of that there's three other ones i haven't even been able to fly and meet for sheer lack of time (not "bragging", it's just that there are options).
I should clarify i've told them from the start i'm not looking for marriage, but still...

I have no idea how that one chinese dude with the 17 girlfriends managed to do something like that for any extended period
1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
2)Everybody is full of it. What's your hypocrisy?
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Re: Jester's Rookie Mistake In Thailand

Postby MrMan » Mon Mar 21, 2016 9:17 pm

Jester wrote:Foreign partners are usually either the staff of your lawyer's office, or your Thai wife's family. If you have some Thai faces actually WORKING there AND you have invested enough, then you can get a work permit and work there yourself. For example you could tend bar and chat up the customers, if you had 3 cocktail waitresses and a cleaner on the payroll. But typically in these countries the capital investment requirement is way too high for ordinary penniless vagrants like me, and the payroll and legal fee overhead for a company is serious too. Out of my league right now.

I was just going to put everything in Miss ChiangMai's name, that's how most guys do it. Okay if it's just a vanity business, a way to keep wifey busy and happy.


I figured you were in the business sector that lies outside of the formal economy. In many developing countries it is that way. The tax people only care about the 'formal' companies in the economy. A lot of people open up noodle cart businesses or sell groceries on a stand in the road or out of a window in their house.

Pragmatically, I don't get how this can work out if you aren't in the monogamous committed relationship type situation. Maybe if you legally married two or four Muslim women who were super-committed to the polygamous relationship, such a business could work. Legally and financially, it sounds like you are in such a vulnerable position, that there is no way to really keep her from just taking the business.

Maybe if you do control all the funds and give her more working at the coffee shop than she could get doing whatever else she would do (or doing something equally enjoyable), it could work. You aren't getting sex as it is, so you may need to just work this as a business partnership where she comes out better and you make money, but there are probably ways she could pull the rug out from under you.

My wife and I are monogamous and we've been together for over 15 years. I wouldn't mind owning a business in her name because we both believe in marriage and she's not looking for a way to take my money and run. I don't see the reason why a woman you've slept with, who you want to keep as one of many in a harem, who isn't sleeping with you now, has any motivation not to squeeze money out of you.

I suppose you could put the business together but not be dependent on it financially or invest so much that it would really hurt you.

Come to think of it, I knew an importer-exporter once, a guy in his 60's, who'd had a girlfriend in Thailand and he'd owned a restaurant in her name. He came in one day and saw something cooking on the hibachi. He thought someone had killed a squirrel, but realized there weren't any squirrels around there. He asked the cook and his girlfriend and they said it was a rat. He got angry. "Your cooking a rat in my restaurant?" They told him not to worry. It was a clean rat from the country. He asked, "How do you know it wasn't a city rat, coming to visit it's country cousin?" He told the cook if he ever cooked a rat in his restaurant again, he'd be out of there.

But I guess he'd broken up with his girlfriend. When I met him, he was looking to get married because he was afraid of HIV.

I don't believe in monogamy, neither do most men in the world, clearly, since they admire other men who have harems. Nor do most women, actually, at the instinctive level anyway, since, like my mom, they don't mind marrying a guy who has had a harem before. Oh and neither did Jesus (read Matthew chapter 25). And since Jesus is on my side, and vice versa, I won't be changing. "Rather fight than switch."


It depends on the man and the woman. My wife would not have wanted a man who'd had a harem. Btw, I don't see anything about polygamy in either the parable of the talents or the parable of the sheep and the goats.
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Re: Jester's Rookie Mistake In Thailand

Postby E Irizarry R&B Singer » Mon Mar 21, 2016 10:30 pm

@Court Jester,

What kind of no, non-sense man gives a woman a debit or credit card? You shant become a sucker whom idolizes mediocre p***y.
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Re: Jester's Rookie Mistake In Thailand

Postby Adama » Mon Mar 21, 2016 11:29 pm

droid wrote:I have no idea how that one chinese dude with the 17 girlfriends managed to do something like that for any extended period


Because that's what he wanted, and God allowed him.
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Re: Jester's Rookie Mistake In Thailand

Postby Jester » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:06 am

droid wrote:
I'm dealing with three girls here (Vn) and they're getting attached, it's a full time job, apart from feeling like a dirtbag :oops: .And on top of that there's three other ones i haven't even been able to fly and meet for sheer lack of time (not "bragging", it's just that there are options).
I should clarify i've told them from the start i'm not looking for marriage, but still...



I guess us telling a chick we don't want monogamy, is kinda like when they tell us they're not ready for sex.

We just figure they ARE ready, and don't know it, and need our help to find out.
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Re: Jester's Rookie Mistake In Thailand

Postby Jester » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:21 am

MrMan wrote:Btw, I don't see anything about polygamy in either the parable of the talents or the parable of the sheep and the goats.


Umm, it's the Parable of the Ten Virgins, obviously.

Matthew 25New International Version (NIV)
The Parable of the Ten Virgins

25 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’

7 “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’

9 “‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’

10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’

12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’

13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.



Other translations make clear that the Bridegroom was coming from the feast where he had been celebrating with his friends. Perhaps being carried in a chair, Persian style.His friends were bringing him from the banquet hall, TO the bridal chamber.

(There were no rites of marriage as we have it today, the groom just entered the bride's tent to consummate the marriage, check out the wedding night of Jacob and Leah in the Book of Genesis to verify that.)

So it was a honeymoon suite. Ten virgins eagerly awaiting a man in a darkened room. He arrives after celebrting at the bachelor party, they go out and greet him, pull him in and lock the door. Pretty clear.

Later, engaged in marital acts, he hears knocking on the door. He assumes it is his drunken buddies checking on him. Go away, he shouts.

When Jesus told this story, the women in the audience listened with growing interest. No doubt there was plenty of giggling and screams of laughter when he delivered the punchline.

It has become common to mistranslate "virgins" as "bridesmaids". This shows a fear of the truth.
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Re: Jester's Rookie Mistake In Thailand

Postby Jester » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:26 am

MrMan wrote:
Pragmatically, I don't get how this can work out if you aren't in the monogamous committed relationship type situation. Maybe if you legally married two or four Muslim women who were super-committed to the polygamous relationship, such a business could work. Legally and financially, it sounds like you are in such a vulnerable position, that there is no way to really keep her from just taking the business.

Maybe if you do control all the funds and give her more working at the coffee shop than she could get doing whatever else she would do (or doing something equally enjoyable), it could work. You aren't getting sex as it is, so you may need to just work this as a business partnership where she comes out better and you make money, but there are probably ways she could pull the rug out from under you.

My wife and I are monogamous and we've been together for over 15 years. I wouldn't mind owning a business in her name because we both believe in marriage and she's not looking for a way to take my money and run. I don't see the reason why a woman you've slept with, who you want to keep as one of many in a harem, who isn't sleeping with you now, has any motivation not to squeeze money out of you.




Your points are well made.

I thought she wanted a father for her son as well. Bright kid, sheltered, up to this point no dad on the scene. So I thought between taking care of her and him that it balanced things out, made her feel like she was getting a good deal.

Oh well.
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Re: Jester's Rookie Mistake In Thailand

Postby Jester » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:28 am

MrMan wrote:
He came in one day and saw something cooking on the hibachi. He thought someone had killed a squirrel, but realized there weren't any squirrels around there. He asked the cook and his girlfriend and they said it was a rat. He got angry. "Your cooking a rat in my restaurant?" They told him not to worry. It was a clean rat from the country.



Miss Chiang Mai knows I like Thai soup and cooks it often.

She said if I brought home another woman, she would cook her in the soup and serve it to me.

:shock:
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Re: Jester's Rookie Mistake In Thailand

Postby Jester » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:32 am

E Irizarry R&B Singer wrote:@Court Jester,

What kind of no, non-sense man gives a woman a debit or credit card? You shant become a sucker whom idolizes mediocre p***y.


Well ya got me there.
:oops:

Mainly laziness on my part. I have her run all the errands. And as you know you have to go to the ATM often in these countries, if you dont have a local bank account.

But anyway now I got that back.
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