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Re: Replacing PUA with P4P

Post by Adama » December 18th, 2016, 7:11 pm

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retiredfrank wrote:By "past" you must mean the abnormal period of the 1950's through 1970's, when the rich allowed the middle class to expand in the developed world due to fears about the appeal of communism.
Yes, but as far as females were concerned this period continued right up to the present due to welfare and various affirmative action, corporate whore type “jobs”. Now finally increasing numbers of the sluts are being reduced to whoring their asses out for dimes like they have always deserved.
This is why I don't ally myself with other men, especially not anyone in the manosphere online. Their hatred for women runs so deep that women that they only want women to work as prostitutes. They don't even like the idea that women should be wives. They just want them to be gutter trash whores.

Unfortunately, this also reflects on those who believe those things. A person with no inherent self worth never considers the precious value other people have within them. They just see trash, because they have little regard for themselves. How can they value the life of another person when they don't value even their own?

And why not? These same people reduce themselves down to wallets and women down to objects to be bought.

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Re: Replacing PUA with P4P

Post by Cornfed » December 18th, 2016, 7:20 pm

Adama wrote:This is why I don't ally myself with other men, especially not anyone in the manosphere online. Their hatred for women runs so deep that women that they only want women to work as prostitutes. They don't even like the idea that women should be wives.
Ideally about 90% of females would be wives with the remaining 10% being whores. Unfortunately the system has turned essentially all Western females into whores, so we have to deal with this situation as best we can and negotiate in our favor.
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Re: Replacing PUA with P4P

Post by Kradmelder » December 18th, 2016, 7:23 pm

Adama, you are a good person with a good heart and I wish in 20 years we are still in contact and that you still think the same and are happily married. The odds are against it.

You are making a mistake not allying yourself with other men. Men friends last. Women will come and go. If you don't have good men friends, when a woman leaves you, you will be left high and dry with all the bridges burnt, the home you worked for, your assets, your dreams and your kids stripped. And that is better than living in misery with some heifer. I lived like that for years, but yes getting out is better. Better to lose all the assets than endure the hell of modern marriage.

Yes God is a salvation, but good mates who understand how things are are a great comfort. You will find far more kindness and support in men than you will find in women. Don't burn that bridge.
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Re: Replacing PUA with P4P

Post by Adama » December 18th, 2016, 7:43 pm

Kradmelder wrote:Adama, you are a good person with a good heart and I wish in 20 years we are still in contact and that you still think the same and are happily married. The odds are against it.

You are making a mistake not allying yourself with other men. Men friends last. Women will come and go. If you don't have good men friends, when a woman leaves you you will be left high and dry with all the bridges burnt. Yes God is a salvation, but good mates who understand how things are are a great comfort. You will find far more kindness and support in men than you will find in women. Don't burn that bridge.
When I was broke and destitute in Europe, I had women give me money, and I stayed with women. Those weren't even good women. Those were evil women, but they still helped me in my times of need.

Just as many of the slanderous women, the men I've known as roommates and former friends were actively trying to destroy me while pretending to be my friends. I was rooming with one guy, and he was trying to get me fired at our job. It didn't work, but he was still trying to destroy me. Other men at jobs were spreading rumors about me to get others to refuse to work with me. I had male roommates who said that if I ever get a woman I better hope she does it from behind cause she won't want to look at my face.

And especially, my best friend since age 17 has turned out to be a complete traitor, hiding his hatred of me from me. He is a man. So what is this camaraderie you write of?

So listen. I have absolute faith that God will bring me through AND destroy those who try to destroy me. Almost everyone who ever tried to destroy me wound up getting destroyed, often by the same trap they had set for me.

Seriously, I don't know why you worry about ANYTHING. I have stopped worrying long ago. All this fear you have of what people can do to you. THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNLESS GOD ALLOWS IT.
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Re: Replacing PUA with P4P

Post by Cornfed » December 18th, 2016, 7:45 pm

Who'd have known that Adama would have such a chip on his shoulder.

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Re: Replacing PUA with P4P

Post by Kradmelder » December 18th, 2016, 8:05 pm

Cornfed wrote:Who'd have known that Adama would have such a chip on his shoulder.
Ja, I dont get it. All these men secretly conspiring behind his back to do him in and hating him. Why? For what possible purpose? It is not like he is president and they want his job.

Women who help him are evil, and women have farked him over. It makes no sense to me.

Men have always covered my back. Women have stuck a knife into it if they could profit.

That suggestion he do women from behind is a good one. I have done most women i dated like that and they all really like doggie or being on top the most. In that sense I am not worried about what women can do to me. they can get on top if they like, or bend over and ask me to do them from behind. Most don't prefer missionary and did it only when they were married. What in afrikaans we call indruk, uit, slaap. Stick it in, out, then sleep.

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Re: Replacing PUA with P4P

Post by Adama » December 18th, 2016, 8:19 pm

The gender is irrelevant. People will try to destroy you regardless. Both men and women. It doesn't matter if it is a man or woman. So you can't say male friends automatically have your back. They don't. Just like you can't say all women are destroyers.

The same purpose women whisper in the ear of your wife to get her to leave you. Because they love doing mischief, even better when it is done secretly. It's fun for them.

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Re: Replacing PUA with P4P

Post by fschmidt » December 18th, 2016, 8:41 pm

Cornfed wrote:What I think we should be doing is getting in on the ground floor of what will replace it, which is intelligent P4P. Currently P4P is grossly overpriced in the West. However, there are various contexts in which men can get sex from skanks at very reasonable prices. We could come up with ideas for how men could do this. Basically we should accept that men have a higher sex drive than females and that eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap. Therefore most of us will have to pay, so the idea is to drive a hard bargain in order to minimize the cost. This forum could be a great place to work out how to do this.
This looks like a market inefficiency to me, which means there should be a business opportunity here. This situation reminds me of Uber where taxis were overpriced and there were many potential drivers who weren't working. So in countries where prostitution is legal, make an Uber of sex to make it easy for semi-pros to work.
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Re: Replacing PUA with P4P

Post by jamesbond » December 18th, 2016, 8:49 pm

I wonder if the United States will ever legalize prostitution, most countries already have. Have you noticed PUA does not exist in most countries? How come there is no PUA in the Philippines, Thailand, Europe or South America? In those countries prostitution is legal and the women are a lot easier to meet and date as well.
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Re: Replacing PUA with P4P

Post by retiredfrank » December 18th, 2016, 8:54 pm

fschmidt wrote:
Cornfed wrote:What I think we should be doing is getting in on the ground floor of what will replace it, which is intelligent P4P. Currently P4P is grossly overpriced in the West. However, there are various contexts in which men can get sex from skanks at very reasonable prices. We could come up with ideas for how men could do this. Basically we should accept that men have a higher sex drive than females and that eggs are expensive and sperm is cheap. Therefore most of us will have to pay, so the idea is to drive a hard bargain in order to minimize the cost. This forum could be a great place to work out how to do this.
This looks like a market inefficiency to me, which means there should be a business opportunity here. This situation reminds me of Uber where taxis were overpriced and there were many potential drivers who weren't working. So in countries where prostitution is legal, make an Uber of sex to make it easy for semi-pros to work.
Seekingarrangement got there already and, as with all these internet marketplaces, there a big first-mover advantage. Big problem, add I already noted, is that the semi-pros have an inflated sense of their value. Doesn't matter that the rent is due, the car is about to be repossessed, her day job is unpleasant, she has yet to receive a nickel from the loser boyfriends she meets in real life. Somewhere she read that girls like he are getting $1000/hour for platonic conversations with rich older men and so that's what she wants. With regular prostitution, the job of the pimp or brothel madam is to talk sense into these fools heads. But with internet sites, the girls imagination is free to rin wild and the only advice she gets is from other fools like her.

So what you would have to do, to improve on seekingarrangement and the other sugardaddy sites, is fix the problem of foolish young women. Good luck.

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Re: Replacing PUA with P4P

Post by fschmidt » December 18th, 2016, 9:01 pm

retiredfrank wrote:Seekingarrangement got there already and, as with all these internet marketplaces, there a big first-mover advantage.
Being married, I am unfamiliar with this market. But seekingarrangement seems to be a different niche than what I am talking about. Seekingarrangement is in the mistress market while I am talking about the semi-pro market.
Big problem, add I already noted, is that the semi-pros have an inflated sense of their value. Doesn't matter that the rent is due, the car is about to be repossessed, her day job is unpleasant, she has yet to receive a nickel from the loser boyfriends she meets in real life. Somewhere she read that girls like he are getting $1000/hour for platonic conversations with rich older men and so that's what she wants. With regular prostitution, the job of the pimp or brothel madam is to talk sense into these fools heads. But with internet sites, the girls imagination is free to rin wild and the only advice she gets is from other fools like her.
What I am suggesting is a way for impulse sales. In other words, a woman can just go online and make a quick $100 whenever she wants with no further obligation. So no relationship, no need to be a regular, nothing, just quick cash. I think this would appeal to many women with their short-sighted thinking.
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Re: Replacing PUA with P4P

Post by fschmidt » December 18th, 2016, 9:27 pm

jamesbond wrote:I wonder if the United States will ever legalize prostitution, most countries already have.
America will never legalize prostitution because America is the most vile evil cesspool of a nation in the world, and it will always support evil and oppose good. But America will degenerate and law-and-order will break down and then prostitution will become more common.
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Re: Replacing PUA with P4P

Post by drealm » December 18th, 2016, 9:46 pm

fschmidt wrote:Being married, I am unfamiliar with this market. But seekingarrangement seems to be a different niche than what I am talking about. Seekingarrangement is in the mistress market while I am talking about the semi-pro market.
I tend to agree with retiredfrank. There was a time where I looked into SA. I emailed a lot of women with a standard offer on the high end of the spectrum. What I found out is that most women don't want straightforward offers as in here's $X for X time in a hotel even if it's a good offer. Giving a good straightforward offer felt too much like traditional p4p to the women and they rejected my offers. There is also a wide range of women. Some want a regular allowance from one wealthy guy where as others have a stable of men they tap. The latter are usually lower end girls. And this lower end group seems to overlap with the target market of this thread.
fschmidt wrote:What I am suggesting is a way for impulse sales. In other words, a woman can just go online and make a quick $100 whenever she wants with no further obligation. So no relationship, no need to be a regular, nothing, just quick cash. I think this would appeal to many women with their short-sighted thinking.
How is this different from traditional p4p sites?

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Re: Replacing PUA with P4P

Post by drealm » December 18th, 2016, 9:48 pm

fschmidt wrote:
jamesbond wrote:I wonder if the United States will ever legalize prostitution, most countries already have.
America will never legalize prostitution because America is the most vile evil cesspool of a nation in the world, and it will always support evil and oppose good. But America will degenerate and law-and-order will break down and then prostitution will become more common.
I've thought about this also. For a while I thought it may have to do with Protestantism but this doesn't explain why the nordic countries allow it and America doesn't.

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Re: Replacing PUA with P4P

Post by retiredfrank » December 18th, 2016, 11:28 pm

fschmidt wrote:What I am suggesting is a way for impulse sales. In other words, a woman can just go online and make a quick $100 whenever she wants with no further obligation. So no relationship, no need to be a regular, nothing, just quick cash. I think this would appeal to many women with their short-sighted thinking.
backpage.com escorts section. Used to be on craigslist but cl succumb to feminist pressure and shut down their escorts section.

Short-term prostitution is mostly junk sex. I don't think it would make men happier if it were legal. I'm much more concerned about getting rid of child support, alimony, laws that favor women, etc. Put financial pressure on women and they will become more open to being girlfriends of good but not perfect men and they will behave better when in relationships with such men.

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