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Why don't western women see foreign women as role-models?

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Re: Why don't western women see foreign women as role-models?

Post by Misko_Varesanovic » February 28th, 2018, 8:50 pm

mattyman wrote:
February 25th, 2018, 10:50 pm
Fantastic points
A small minority may even try to steal Valeria from Stewart
. Quite naturally, more importantly;
" Conversely, some will not even recognise Valeria's greatness because they literally cannot compute it." Lack of a point of reference, even more importantly;
And generally, the women will view her as threat which needs to be neutralised by dragging her down to the level of the group.
This probably explains why a lot of anglo women are so terrible. This is born out of the realisation that she (Valeria, or foreign woman) is probably their better (the conventional anglo women's) deep down. Do you remember that youtube channel nollagirl (under threat of being banned from youtube)? A woman with conservative views who has talked about not having female friends deliberately purely because they try to bring her down and make her feel bad. A lot of these western women do behave in disgusting ways purely for approval from the peer group and to fit in, out of low self esteem. That's the irony of 'acting tough'. A lot of those women who do act tough and unfeminine probably have the lowest self-esteem and lowest confidence.

Ultimately, the problem is that these issues are something that people cannot bring up without fear of disapproval from the peer group. The solutions are simple; be in a position where you don't have a peer group who'se approval you care about, or have a peer group where you can openly discuss these sorts of things.
Many thanks for your kind comments!

I'm not mega-familiar with nollagirl, but yes, the whole peer group dynamic is very much operational. Essentially, there's nothing necessarily that surprising or even wrong about that, though: it all depends on the values that the peer group holds. In better-functioning societies, the peer group can actually be a source of moral strength.

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Re: Why don't western women see foreign women as role-models?

Post by Misko_Varesanovic » February 28th, 2018, 9:00 pm

Adama wrote:
February 26th, 2018, 1:14 am
Misko_Varesanovic wrote:
February 16th, 2018, 9:57 pm
But his social circle as a whole will be intimidated by Valeria. As a rule, the men will be jealous, conflicted and confused. A small minority may even try to steal Valeria from Stewart. Conversely, some will not even recognise Valeria's greatness because they literally cannot compute it. And generally, the women will view her as threat which needs to be neutralised by dragging her down to the level of the group. If they can't do this - because of Valeria's strong values - then she will be ostracised, ignored or otherwise frozen out. Of course, some of the women may admire Valeria and praise her for her good qualities, but this will not be the majority viewpoint.

Why is this important? Because it shows the level of resistance to change in an environment where 90%< of people stand to lose self-esteem and social standing from this type of 'disruption', at least in the short-to-medium term.
Actually I think if someone truly is head and shoulders above the rest, regardless where they are in the world, people will try to take them down because of jealousy, whether it is an Anglophone country or any other country. This is what evil people do, and there are evil people who live for their egos, vain glory and vanity all over the world. They are not exclusive to Anglophone countries.
This is true - good and evil people do exist everywhere. And jealousy is a part of human nature that exists in all of us, at least potentially.

But it's a question of degree and also environment. For example, in a culture where beautiful women with basically sound morals are commonplace, the average man is less likely to covet his friend's pretty and decent wife. Why would he? Such females are to be found in abundance.

Additionally, some cultures are just more generous than other ones when it comes to success. The developed Anglosphere is a place where a competitive, winner-takes-all social Darwinism dominates commerce and society. Even most other developed countries are simply not like this, let alone developing countries and/or emerging markets.

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Re: Why don't western women see foreign women as role-models?

Post by Adama » March 1st, 2018, 5:29 am

Misko_Varesanovic wrote:
February 28th, 2018, 9:00 pm
Adama wrote:
February 26th, 2018, 1:14 am
Misko_Varesanovic wrote:
February 16th, 2018, 9:57 pm
But his social circle as a whole will be intimidated by Valeria. As a rule, the men will be jealous, conflicted and confused. A small minority may even try to steal Valeria from Stewart. Conversely, some will not even recognise Valeria's greatness because they literally cannot compute it. And generally, the women will view her as threat which needs to be neutralised by dragging her down to the level of the group. If they can't do this - because of Valeria's strong values - then she will be ostracised, ignored or otherwise frozen out. Of course, some of the women may admire Valeria and praise her for her good qualities, but this will not be the majority viewpoint.

Why is this important? Because it shows the level of resistance to change in an environment where 90%< of people stand to lose self-esteem and social standing from this type of 'disruption', at least in the short-to-medium term.
Actually I think if someone truly is head and shoulders above the rest, regardless where they are in the world, people will try to take them down because of jealousy, whether it is an Anglophone country or any other country. This is what evil people do, and there are evil people who live for their egos, vain glory and vanity all over the world. They are not exclusive to Anglophone countries.
This is true - good and evil people do exist everywhere. And jealousy is a part of human nature that exists in all of us, at least potentially.

But it's a question of degree and also environment. For example, in a culture where beautiful women with basically sound morals are commonplace, the average man is less likely to covet his friend's pretty and decent wife. Why would he? Such females are to be found in abundance.

Additionally, some cultures are just more generous than other ones when it comes to success. The developed Anglosphere is a place where a competitive, winner-takes-all social Darwinism dominates commerce and society. Even most other developed countries are simply not like this, let alone developing countries and/or emerging markets.
I was in Colombia for a short while, and even the people who are considered to be of lower class there seem to be more polite than the average person I've interacted with back in the states, especially the women.
A good man is above pettiness. He is better than that.

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