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Re: How To Get (and KEEP) Hot Girls - The Girlfriend Allowance

Post by Zambales » August 29th, 2018, 11:07 pm

Winston wrote:
August 29th, 2018, 10:03 pm
I don't see why some guys are morally against this idea. I mean at least it's fair and open and honest, if done fairly and honestly that is. And as long as its between consenting adults, how does that make it immoral?

Plus p4p is the world's oldest profession, so it must be natural in that sense and part of human affairs.

Also, if one cannot find true love, where a woman loves you for you (which does happen by the way, some guys have that, regardless of what you guys want to believe), then isn't this GF allowance thing the next best thing? Isn't it BETTER than nothing?! Think about it. Isn't it better than depression, loneliness and suicide? Isn't it better than mass shootings like Elliot Rogers and George Soudini?
It doesn't bother me if people participate in this concept. It's just not my thing. I like a self-respecting woman who'll take me for who I am rather than one who seeks financial gain.

Actually this concept seems to have African origins so it's not entirely new.




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Re: How To Get (and KEEP) Hot Girls - The Girlfriend Allowance

Post by chanta76 » August 29th, 2018, 11:09 pm

I could see this working mostly in third world countries. I mean offer a filipina $100 a month as a girl friend allowance would be allot. I don't see it working in 1st world countries unless your talking about poor girls.

Really hot girls here in the USA gets too many free things and have allot of guys on the side that bend over back wards to do everything for them. Couple hundred dollars a month would be insult to them.

Again I can see this might work in poorer countries. In wealthy countries you might have to offer allot more.

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Re: How To Get (and KEEP) Hot Girls - The Girlfriend Allowance

Post by Contrarian Expatriate » August 30th, 2018, 5:21 am

chanta76 wrote:
August 29th, 2018, 11:09 pm
I could see this working mostly in third world countries. I mean offer a filipina $100 a month as a girl friend allowance would be allot. I don't see it working in 1st world countries unless your talking about poor girls.

Really hot girls here in the USA gets too many free things and have allot of guys on the side that bend over back wards to do everything for them. Couple hundred dollars a month would be insult to them.

Again I can see this might work in poorer countries. In wealthy countries you might have to offer allot more.
I see your point. But it CAN be fruitful in developing countries with regard to women who live above their means, are single mothers (yuck), or are in their early twenties just scraping by to make ends meet.

The term "third world" is an anachronism now and countries in Eastern Europe are well above that level, yet the girlfriend allowance is VERY effective there.

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Re: How To Get (and KEEP) Hot Girls - The Girlfriend Allowance

Post by Contrarian Expatriate » August 30th, 2018, 5:33 am

Zambales wrote:
August 29th, 2018, 11:07 pm
I like a self-respecting woman who'll take me for who I am rather than one who seeks financial gain.
This is the very common conundrum of the modern Western male who continuously deludes himself into thinking that women "should" accept him for who he is alone. These are the very men who will later suffer the perplexity of why his girlfriend or wife left him in the most hypergamous of manners.

I blame Hollywood primarily, but the feminizing influences of female acculturation figures prominently. It is essentially a variant of male feminism posing as some sort of modern masculinity and it never ends well for them.

Briffault's Law and Hypergamy are fully lost on these guys who just cannot get their heads around these realities. If you don't understand these two concepts, you don't understand women, PERIOD.

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Post by Cornfed » August 30th, 2018, 5:44 am

Zambales wrote:
August 29th, 2018, 11:07 pm
I like a self-respecting woman who'll take me for who I am rather than one who seeks financial gain.
The deal generally has been that men provide females with stuff and females provide men with services - kind of like an employer/employee relationship. Your sentiment is akin to an employer thinking employees should work for him for free or a panhandler thinking that panhandling is more noble than earning money.

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Post by MatureDJ » August 31st, 2018, 3:27 am

This sounds like paying the barfine to the gal instead of the Mama San.

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Re: How To Get (and KEEP) Hot Girls - The Girlfriend Allowance

Post by Zambales » August 31st, 2018, 5:10 am

CE & Cornfed....

I don't think you boys understand the concept of a proper relationship.

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Post by Cornfed » August 31st, 2018, 6:37 am

Zambales wrote:
August 31st, 2018, 5:10 am
CE & Cornfed....

I don't think you boys understand the concept of a proper relationship.
No, you don't.
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Post by flowerthief00 » August 31st, 2018, 8:36 am

Winston wrote:
August 29th, 2018, 10:03 pm
I don't see why some guys are morally against this idea. I mean at least it's fair and open and honest, if done fairly and honestly that is. And as long as its between consenting adults, how does that make it immoral?

Plus p4p is the world's oldest profession, so it must be natural in that sense and part of human affairs.
I'm not against the GF allowance morally if you mean as in wanting it to be illegal. If I were I would have to be against p4p morally.
I am against both in the way of strongly discouraging my friends and other men from participating in yet another form of male devaluation.

Nor would I dare to say that the GF allowance wouldn't work. Of course it would work. We know how women are. We know what they want from men and how they use men. We know that men are devalued because of these facts.

So what do you do with that knowledge? Do you say, "Yes, men, you are devalued. Embrace your devaluation!" Or do you say, "I know my value as a man and I refuse to go along with this, and I urge you all to do the same."

If more men would say the latter...pretty soon men wouldn't be devalued any more.

Whereas the former is an auction-style race to the bottom to see who can transfer more of their hard-earned money over to the other gender, who routinely receives a free paycheck for literally doing nothing.
Also, if one cannot find true love, where a woman loves you for you (which does happen by the way, some guys have that, regardless of what you guys want to believe), then isn't this GF allowance thing the next best thing? Isn't it BETTER than nothing?! Think about it. Isn't it better than depression, loneliness and suicide? Isn't it better than mass shootings like Elliot Rogers and George Soudini?
There's an ocean of possibilities for even poor & ugly men between this and Elliot Rogers.
The deal generally has been that men provide females with stuff and females provide men with services - kind of like an employer/employee relationship. Your sentiment is akin to an employer thinking employees should work for him for free or a panhandler thinking that panhandling is more noble than earning money.
What services do they provide? Their company? Their mere goddess-like presence with which to bask in? Not cooking and cleaning, I hope, because girls these days barely do that.

But I see where you're going with the employer/employee relationship.
Could the new employee remember to bring her bank's routing # to the date, and could the employer be so considerate as to remember to bring, along with the W-4, I-9, and all other necessary forms, a Direct Deposit form to the date so that the transferal of his wealth from his bank over to hers can proceed in the most efficient manner possible, like a vampire sucking blood from a goat through a straw.

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Post by retiredfrank » September 18th, 2018, 3:35 am

Good arguments from Contrarian Expatriate. This idea will only work for men who are very alpha, in the sense of having a very strong sense of personal self worth so that they don't need validation from women giving them sex for free. Most men in America are desperate for female validation and this is why they lash at out the idea of paying women. It does indeed make them feel devalued, because the only way they feel any sense of self value is when a woman approves of them enough to give then sex for free. Then when the woman takes away her approval, they feel bad again. This is the result of growing up in a matriarchy.

Paying puts the man in an extremely strong position, because he can always stop paying or reduce payment, why is why rebellious feminist women will react poorly to offers to pay.

$1000/month is what oligarchs in Ukraine pay their HB9 and HB10 second tier mistresses. These are mistresses that are on call when he wants some variety. (Number one girl or wife gets apartment, car, huge allowance, etc.) But if you don't demand exclusivity, $400/month should be enough to get an HB9 in Kiev, assuming the girl things you attractive. If the girl really likes you, maybe $100/month in one of the second tier Ukrainian cities.

The allowance should be thought of as a way to push yourself to the head of the line of men the girl is willing to have sex with, not to get you into the line in the first place. If the girl doesn't find a man sexually attractive without money, adding money will not produce a true girlfriend experience.

I disagree with CE's hairsplitting about girlfriend allowance, versus sugar daddying versus P4P versus boyfriends who provide fancy dinners but no cash, etc. He should stick to Briffaults law. Women, like men, want to better their lives. Everyones want money and sex with attractive people. Generally speaking, in traditional societies, sexually attractive young women are in scarce supply, money is hard to come by, men have a stronger desire for sex than woman, and so the bottom line is that men of all ages trade money for sex with young attractive women. That's why prostitution is the world's oldest profession, why all women are whores at heart, why women naturally turn to prostitution on times of need like ducks to water, why marriage is just legalized prostitution, etc.

The real distinction is between hard and soft prostitution. Hard means woman would not consider man as sexual prospect without money. Soft means she would. Distinction between hard and soft is not black and white but rather shades of grey. Hard-hard prostitution is cold and empty feeling, whether woman is crack whore or $1000/hour NYC escort. Soft-soft prostitution is LTR where woman loves man and man supports her in some way. Traditional marriages where woman stays at home supported by man who works is soft-soft prostitution with exclusivity. What CE is discussing is somewhere in between.

Women who go to Dubai are hard-hard prostitutes. They have no legal rights there and every year a few whores are found dead in the desert, killed by some homicidal client. Most women in Ukraine and Russia who are open to trading sex for money will not take the risk of Dubai, so the huge money Dubai girls can earn does not affect how much it takes to influence normal girls who are open to soft prostitution.

I pay my girl in Kiev $2000/month, but I only see her 3 months per year. This is more than is necessary, but like I said, paying puts me in a very powerful position and the more I pay, the more power in my hands, which is how I like things. She isn't going anywhere or doing anything to piss me off with that kind of money at stake. $6000/year is not much for me since I spend very little most of the year (most of the year I backpack and camp for free). If I were living permanently in Ukraine, I wouldn't pay more than $1000/month, and that's only because I can afford that. As noted above, $500/month should be plenty in Kiev and less in smaller cities or if the girl really likes the guy or if she isnt top tier and so doesn't have better offers. The girl is 30 years younger than me, well educated, excellent manners, as beautiful as they come (HB9, HB10, whatever). It would be very difficult for a man in his late 50's like me to get a girl like this without paying in one way or another. Note that marriage is one of the most expensive ways to pay, especially in western countries.

Moving to Ukraine and then paying an allowance is what those stupid guys in the Dream Connections forum should be doing. Take CE's advice on how to discuss this delicate topic in a way that doesn't offend the girl or put the man in a weak negotiating position from the start.

Glad to see both ContrarianExpatriate and Ghost back. Sorry to see PublicDuende go.
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Post by MrMan » September 18th, 2018, 4:03 am

It's not technically legally prostitution if the allowance is not tied to sex. But a girl who did this might feel like a whore for it. I would imagine the system would weed out girls with a certain level of self-respect, feminists, and it would probably work better on low IQ women. Women who go for it may be of the gold-digger variety, but two-bit gold diggers who are willing to accept a hundred to four hundred a month. Does the allowance go up if the man has the same deal with other girls and she finds out?

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Post by Zambales » September 22nd, 2018, 6:20 pm

The Girlfriend Allowance (deluxe edition)..............

Become a male escort so other women can pay for your girlfriend allowance. Win-win. :)

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Post by flipper » September 25th, 2018, 6:16 pm

Nah. With all due respect I could never take a relationship seriously with any girl if I was expected to pay her an allowance. It's perfectly nice to give presents and stuff once in a while, but the idea that I would be paying for her company is a bridge too far. I do get that that's what most relationships boil down to, but still I have trouble with it being this transparent. Couldn't do.


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This post will be controversial to some and it will generate howls of protest from some of our resident losers (I'll identify them when they appear) who aren't in any position to use it. But the truth needs to be told.

Hot girls of the 9 and 10 variety are in constant demand. No matter how much you hit the gym or polish your appearance, there are always guys who are better looking than you who pose a threat to your conquests. So what is the best way to land a HOT girlfriend? The girlfriend allowance.

When you find a girl you like who is higher than you in sexual market value, strike up a conversation with her and find out her relationship status. Girls who are not interested in you will usually tell you that they have boyfriends. You should ask her, "Does he give you a weekly girlfriend allowance?" 99% of the girls will say they never heard of it. You should act surprised, and say a girl as attractive as you should receive no less than $100 per week from a boyfriend if he is serious about you.

Girls' minds go into a spin at this point and they become very intrigued to the point where you will usually get the number. Set up a date with her and let her know that you would accept her as a girlfriend if she accepted xx of money a week. I suggest offering 50% of what your highest allowance would be. Some girls will take it, some girls will ask for more. But you need to be clear about how often you would expect to see her, and other terms of the relationship from the outset before you begin the allowance.

You can expect some girls to eventually give you sob stories about sick parents, dogs that died, and other fake reasons for you to give more money. Ignore those stories, and NEVER give up your negotiated amount. Tell her that if her allowance is not enough, she can break up with you (They never do).

When you see an older or less attractive man out and about with a HOT girl, the girlfriend allowance is usually why.

With the girlfriend allowance, you have a measure of control over the girl that you do not have without it. If a girl pisses you off, you can withhold a portion of the allowance and cite her transgression as the reason. She will protest and be pissed off in the short term, but you will be amazed at how she adjusts her behavior with you so that she never gets a cut allowance again.

What you will need to realize about the naysayers:

-Female naysayer who don't receive girlfriend allowances are expressing sour grapes because THEY were never so lucky.

-Male naysayers who who howl and criticize girlfriend allowances are expressing sour grapes because they could never be in a POSITION to give a girlfriend allowance and they want to discourage you from getting HOT women whom they could NEVER get!

Some typical naysay:

"That is prostitution!" It is not, because prostitution is payment for sex outright with this is not. Ask any attorney.
"A real man should not have to pay a woman!" Wrong; actually real men are the ones with the means to GET the hot women that average men cannot!
"I already get girls without having to pay them, why should I pay an allowance!" If you are getting girls without paying them a girlfriend allowance, they are generally of lower sexual market value and harder to control than if you do pay the allowance. They are also apt to eventually leave you for another Chad while the paid girlfriend will fight tooth and nail to keep you in her life.

The girlfriend allowance works VERY well both in America and abroad. It is the one way men can hold the relationship power over a hot woman who has more social capital than a man.

Ironically, sometimes the hotter the girl, the better the allowance works! Why, because hot women have to spend money to stay hot. They get their nails done, they get their hair roots recolored, they get massages, and have yoga class fees, etc. They also know that their beauty is at a premium so they LOVE getting paid on account of their hotness rather than being with a Chad who might screw them well, but otherwise not add value to their lives.

This generally does not work on women in committed, serious relationships and that is fine. You might be surprised to know that women who initially balk at the idea, later warm up to it and let you know. This is how females sometimes work.

So if you want a girl above your sexual market value, give the girlfriend allowance a shot. You will be amazed at how well it gets you the girls who are usually out of your league. Yes, continue to work on yourself and your appearance, but this strategy will exponentially increase your success!

This strategy is based on the Red Pill axiom of Briffault's law which you can research for yourself. Always know that if a woman does not like you, she will never agree to be with you, regardless of allowances or not. BUT if a woman even mildly likes you, a girlfriend allowance can tip the scales in your favor. Later, your relationship can become stronger and more meaningful if that is what you want, but the girlfriend allowance gets your foot far in the door.

You can thank me later :wink: And remember to ignore the loser/haters who don't want to see you succeed!

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Re: How To Get (and KEEP) Hot Girls - The Girlfriend Allowance

Post by Contrarian Expatriate » September 25th, 2018, 11:08 pm

flipper wrote:
September 25th, 2018, 6:16 pm
Nah. With all due respect I could never take a relationship seriously with any girl if I was expected to pay her an allowance. It's perfectly nice to give presents and stuff once in a while, but the idea that I would be paying for her company is a bridge too far. I do get that that's what most relationships boil down to, but still I have trouble with it being this transparent. Couldn't do.
I completely get that. For most of my adult life, I would have agreed with you 100%.

However, when you get to be in my age bracket (early 50's) you might realize what I did.

-First, that making a girl's life financially easier puts me as a priority in her life of constant and unrelenting male attention.
-Second, that the money is a pittance compared to what many boyfriends spend and to what ALL married men spend on wives.
-Third, that the money I spend is money very well spent because when I finally die, I can't take any of that money with me so I am going to fully enjoy it while I can.

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