Polygamy and polyamory for men in a healthy society, including traditionalist
Posted: June 20th, 2022, 4:03 pm
Extremely strong and healthy ancient cultures often had successful masculine men practice polygamy: China, for example.
Like that Judge Dee from the Robert Van Gulik books, an upstanding traditional Confucian gentleman and celebrated public official fighting corruption, and he had four wives if I remember right.
It's a fictional example, but a real concept: Men who were successful with resources to support a large family could marry multiple women and build large healthy and happy families.
There's probably other good examples, but I'm not sure that's even vitally essential, because I think the advantages are obvious:
+ Higher quality men have more children rather than all the betas, lemmings, and sheep-men having them, but there's healthier genetic diversity because the men have kids with multiple women, so it's a win-win.
+ The family is stronger from having more willingly invested members, rather than the monogamy hodlers "putting all their eggs in one basket" and then ruining their marriage later and breaking up the family, which is often very painful for the children. (Or if something sad happened like the Mom or Dad died early, then they're gone, instead of still having more people in the family for support.)
The broken marriage was the story of my childhood, by the way, along with I believe more than half the people who bother getting married to begin with in the jewnited states. I'm not crying about it, but I can say from experience that it certainly would've been less painful to be either raised by a single Mom from the start, rather than see my parents marriage end in ruins at the age of 5. But being a child in a household with an alpha male father who taught you genuinely valuable skills and multiple nice women in his household would certainly have been better than being raised by a single Mom... well, at least for society's sake, LOL, sometimes those of us raised by single Moms manage to get away with being wild asses and doing more fun stuff than a strong traditional father would've let us get away with, but safe to say that isn't an argument in favor of an entire nation of single moms raising kids with no poisitve masculine role models.
I never had a single IRL role model (just 80s-90s action movie men LOL), but I think it's pretty well established that a strong positive masculine role model is a good thing for most boys to have, and a strong father figure is also an important part of the lives of many girls too.
Some of the traditionalist types get triggered by criticism of monogamy, and insist traditionalism has to involve monogamy. Some of them I think are cool as individuals, like @Outcast9428 and Varg Vikernes. However, those two examples also aren't typical beta men, so it's no surprise they can successfully attract the women, but I've never seen a single good argument in favor of why it should be monogamy for everyone, even if you like it yourself because you're actually a success with it (unlike most people).
There's also the ideal vs the real side of the question:
In theory I'm all for a genuinely loving monogamous marriage and happy nuclear family as the standard idealized option if that's what everyone really wants, but in the collapsing judaized 'West' where the "cultural marxists" targeted the nuclear for destruction, it barely even makes any sense anymore unless you happen to be really lucky and have a real loving romance (but few do).
Marriage in a 'Western' country has nothing but economic disincentives that I know of (at least for men, but there's also some women who have to pay their lousy ex-husband alimony for no good reason except how their divorce settlement turned out, so it's not helping them either in those cases).
Japan too: A perfect example of a wonderful ancient nation at risk of going down the drain because its full of beta males whose society says to default to monogamy, yet they also have a giant sleaze porn industry and legalized sleaze prostitution, so all the betas sneak off to waste money for no good reason but enriching pornographers and pimps, and completely dropped the ball on even keeping the birth rate of their ancient nation at replacement level going after their own women, and now Japan's disastrously being flooded with foreign invaders. Total disaster! If their alpha males with good $$$ had built large families and they'd even encouraged it at the societal level, they never would have this tragic dark and degraded fate Japan is now facing. I still hope maybe patriots and nationalists there can turn it around, but it's not going to be easy......
Anyway, both there and in the West, all the married people cheating and getting divorces already make a travesty out of the "institution" of marriage, so it doesn't make sense (except as a really traditional romantic gesture for people who REALLY love each other a lot, but I'm not convinced that's even common even if most married beta males and some of their sexually frustrated wives develop co-dependency relationships).
Personal opinion:
You also want to be a man with this chance you have in life and take pride in enjoying your masculinity (assuming you're born male, heheh) and the benefits that brings, not turn into one of these whipped little henpecked married men saying "my wife's gonna kill me if I don't do blahblahblah." A lot of these guys literally even let the women take control of their money and finances. Don't be these guys, LOL!!
Well there's a start to the discussion...
P.S. I think I'm more a friend of most MGTOW than not, even if you disagree with some stuff I say, but if this triggers any incels just because you're mad because you want to get laid (understandable), two comments to cheer you up:
#1 You CAN get good with women as a skill, if you want to. It's like learning boxing or something, except better because you don't actually need a partner or coach to learn to do it well. (I've learned from other men's knowledge they shared on that old newsgroup or some ebooks I found floating around as PDFs + some used books, but never paid for anything except the used books, and never learned anything from other men or went out with a male 'wingman' or whatever they call it.) If you want to learn but for some reason think all the books and theories and techniques about how to get good with women are "scams," then don't pay for any of them then!! Get them for free like I did.
#2 If you still won't do it and are just whining you want to use women as a sexual outlet, go get one of those hot looking dolls they make in Japan and China that look like real women, and soon they also will have sex robots and robot companions. (Don't know a lot about this yet, but I heard they also have AI girlfriends you can talk to now, which is awesome...)
So there are solutions for you even if you're in the learning phase right now and haven't succeeded with your goals about scoring with women yet, but have the confidence that you can get there (or like I said, if you're one of the defeatest negativity addicts, go for option#2 and get a sexy TPE doll or a sex robot companion that looks like a hot chick) .
But for society, for the sake of society and a nation? They should do healthy and patriotic polygamy with the quality men with $$$ and knowhow getting more women and keeping them happy in a large family.
China should actually go back to doing this, they also f***ed everything up with their demographics too for mostly different reasons than Japan, so their high-earning alpha men should build large families with multiple women instead of letting their monogamy hodler wives waste money shopping or other nonsense... (I do think sweet loving marriage is nice, but it's not like that has to be outlawed as an option for people who want to do it that way.)
I've also heard some patriotic Russians are starting to do it more. Guys who are already good with women, have financial resources, and love having big families with a lot of children can build stronger healthier families. The women who go for this kind of arrangement like it too.
Like that Judge Dee from the Robert Van Gulik books, an upstanding traditional Confucian gentleman and celebrated public official fighting corruption, and he had four wives if I remember right.
It's a fictional example, but a real concept: Men who were successful with resources to support a large family could marry multiple women and build large healthy and happy families.
There's probably other good examples, but I'm not sure that's even vitally essential, because I think the advantages are obvious:
+ Higher quality men have more children rather than all the betas, lemmings, and sheep-men having them, but there's healthier genetic diversity because the men have kids with multiple women, so it's a win-win.
+ The family is stronger from having more willingly invested members, rather than the monogamy hodlers "putting all their eggs in one basket" and then ruining their marriage later and breaking up the family, which is often very painful for the children. (Or if something sad happened like the Mom or Dad died early, then they're gone, instead of still having more people in the family for support.)
The broken marriage was the story of my childhood, by the way, along with I believe more than half the people who bother getting married to begin with in the jewnited states. I'm not crying about it, but I can say from experience that it certainly would've been less painful to be either raised by a single Mom from the start, rather than see my parents marriage end in ruins at the age of 5. But being a child in a household with an alpha male father who taught you genuinely valuable skills and multiple nice women in his household would certainly have been better than being raised by a single Mom... well, at least for society's sake, LOL, sometimes those of us raised by single Moms manage to get away with being wild asses and doing more fun stuff than a strong traditional father would've let us get away with, but safe to say that isn't an argument in favor of an entire nation of single moms raising kids with no poisitve masculine role models.
I never had a single IRL role model (just 80s-90s action movie men LOL), but I think it's pretty well established that a strong positive masculine role model is a good thing for most boys to have, and a strong father figure is also an important part of the lives of many girls too.
Some of the traditionalist types get triggered by criticism of monogamy, and insist traditionalism has to involve monogamy. Some of them I think are cool as individuals, like @Outcast9428 and Varg Vikernes. However, those two examples also aren't typical beta men, so it's no surprise they can successfully attract the women, but I've never seen a single good argument in favor of why it should be monogamy for everyone, even if you like it yourself because you're actually a success with it (unlike most people).
There's also the ideal vs the real side of the question:
In theory I'm all for a genuinely loving monogamous marriage and happy nuclear family as the standard idealized option if that's what everyone really wants, but in the collapsing judaized 'West' where the "cultural marxists" targeted the nuclear for destruction, it barely even makes any sense anymore unless you happen to be really lucky and have a real loving romance (but few do).
Marriage in a 'Western' country has nothing but economic disincentives that I know of (at least for men, but there's also some women who have to pay their lousy ex-husband alimony for no good reason except how their divorce settlement turned out, so it's not helping them either in those cases).
Japan too: A perfect example of a wonderful ancient nation at risk of going down the drain because its full of beta males whose society says to default to monogamy, yet they also have a giant sleaze porn industry and legalized sleaze prostitution, so all the betas sneak off to waste money for no good reason but enriching pornographers and pimps, and completely dropped the ball on even keeping the birth rate of their ancient nation at replacement level going after their own women, and now Japan's disastrously being flooded with foreign invaders. Total disaster! If their alpha males with good $$$ had built large families and they'd even encouraged it at the societal level, they never would have this tragic dark and degraded fate Japan is now facing. I still hope maybe patriots and nationalists there can turn it around, but it's not going to be easy......
Anyway, both there and in the West, all the married people cheating and getting divorces already make a travesty out of the "institution" of marriage, so it doesn't make sense (except as a really traditional romantic gesture for people who REALLY love each other a lot, but I'm not convinced that's even common even if most married beta males and some of their sexually frustrated wives develop co-dependency relationships).
Personal opinion:
You also want to be a man with this chance you have in life and take pride in enjoying your masculinity (assuming you're born male, heheh) and the benefits that brings, not turn into one of these whipped little henpecked married men saying "my wife's gonna kill me if I don't do blahblahblah." A lot of these guys literally even let the women take control of their money and finances. Don't be these guys, LOL!!
Well there's a start to the discussion...
P.S. I think I'm more a friend of most MGTOW than not, even if you disagree with some stuff I say, but if this triggers any incels just because you're mad because you want to get laid (understandable), two comments to cheer you up:
#1 You CAN get good with women as a skill, if you want to. It's like learning boxing or something, except better because you don't actually need a partner or coach to learn to do it well. (I've learned from other men's knowledge they shared on that old newsgroup or some ebooks I found floating around as PDFs + some used books, but never paid for anything except the used books, and never learned anything from other men or went out with a male 'wingman' or whatever they call it.) If you want to learn but for some reason think all the books and theories and techniques about how to get good with women are "scams," then don't pay for any of them then!! Get them for free like I did.
#2 If you still won't do it and are just whining you want to use women as a sexual outlet, go get one of those hot looking dolls they make in Japan and China that look like real women, and soon they also will have sex robots and robot companions. (Don't know a lot about this yet, but I heard they also have AI girlfriends you can talk to now, which is awesome...)
So there are solutions for you even if you're in the learning phase right now and haven't succeeded with your goals about scoring with women yet, but have the confidence that you can get there (or like I said, if you're one of the defeatest negativity addicts, go for option#2 and get a sexy TPE doll or a sex robot companion that looks like a hot chick) .
But for society, for the sake of society and a nation? They should do healthy and patriotic polygamy with the quality men with $$$ and knowhow getting more women and keeping them happy in a large family.
China should actually go back to doing this, they also f***ed everything up with their demographics too for mostly different reasons than Japan, so their high-earning alpha men should build large families with multiple women instead of letting their monogamy hodler wives waste money shopping or other nonsense... (I do think sweet loving marriage is nice, but it's not like that has to be outlawed as an option for people who want to do it that way.)
I've also heard some patriotic Russians are starting to do it more. Guys who are already good with women, have financial resources, and love having big families with a lot of children can build stronger healthier families. The women who go for this kind of arrangement like it too.