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Posted: **November 6th, 2011, 9:10 pm**

Repatriate wrote:
Rock wrote: And generally, I don't think they are nearly as good at putting on a credible long-term act as their Russian counterparts.
With Chinese women I think it's less about perfecting an acting game but trading up and opportunism. The hardcore Chinese women are pragmatic social climbers. They will latch onto what they think is materially or socially the best thing in their mind then jump ship at a heartbeat. Family stability, loyalty, and love doesn't really exist or only on purely selfish terms.

I haven't met very many of these types but I have seen how they act behind the scenes since there's a couple amongst my distant relatives.

I don't believe most Chinese women are like this either but the bad ones are really terrible in my opinion and maybe even more cunning than American women ie. Wendy Deng.

This seems to be true. I have never met a Chinese woman who was a true romantic or had a romantic soul. But I have met types that only want to be romantic with guys who look like hot celebrities, rock stars, etc. I'm not sure that's romance though. It seems more like image worship to me.

But Repatriate, if what you say is true, then how are Chinese women any better than American women, besides being more feminine and slim?

Posted: **November 6th, 2011, 9:18 pm**

Winston wrote:

But Repatriate, if what you say is true, then how are Chinese women any better than American women, besides being more feminine and slim?

I'm only referring to a minority of Chinese women who I view as worst case examples and not throwing out value judgements on Chinese women in general. On the other hand I do feel American women have overwhelmingly assumed negative personality and character attributes as a cultural norm.

Like I said, I have met very few Chinese women that are like this. Most Chinese and TW women I have met have been quite pleasant and receptive.

Posted: **November 6th, 2011, 9:59 pm**

Winston wrote:
Phoenix Sosa wrote:Are you considering China now, Winston? What do you have to lose?
Well if I get rejected by every girl I'm attracted to, it will hurt my ego of course. And it could drain me financially too, unless I live on a frugal budget there, which would look bad in front of materialistic Chinese women.

Also, the reason I'm skeptical about claims about China being a dating paradise is this. If I never came to Taiwan before, and just read trip reports about it, I would think that Taiwan is a dating paradise too. But it is not at all for me. Women give me no attention, no eye contact and never stop to talk to me. I find it harder to approach women in TW than even in America. They are so reserved and put up a bad vibe around me, that it feels awkward and creepy to try to chat them up. I don't know how to deal with super reserved types of women. I am much more comfortable with open direct relaxed types of foreign women. Reserved women are on a different wavelength, one that I can't really connect with. They are not playful or relaxed around strangers.

Plus, as momopi claimed, TW women are looking for the 3H - height, handsome, and high income - just like American women are, so I don't see what chance I have, even though Rock claims that ALL average American joes that he knows experiences wild success in Taiwan, which totally defies logic, and insinuates that I am somehow "below average".

The point is, people can tell you one thing, but when you go there, you can experience the complete opposite. So you never know. That's why I'm skeptical.

It could also turn out like Russia, where many girls are platonically friendly to me, but rarely ever gets intimate or romantic with me. That would also suck too, but wouldn't be as bad, cause then at least I could feel "free" to be myself and expressive myself, whereas in reserved countries with reserved women, I do not feel free to express myself, openly flirt, or hit on women freely and playfully, which sucks the most. I hate feeling repressed.

Plus, you gotta keep in mind that Chinese women by nature are super picky and have high standards.

1. Interesting point about your not being able to relate to 'super reserved types'. Perhaps its easier for me because I'm also reserved and shy at heart. I have to push myself to be proactive and outgoing. It does not come natural. When I was in DR, the in your face, strangers looking you straight in the eye and talking to you actually threw me off. I'm not so used to that and it sometimes caused me to feel uncomfortable. Perhaps you would like it.

2. Re-read my posts about Taiwan in the earliest parts where I threw-up well over a dozen real life cases, mainly white guys. Several of them did not do so well in Taiwan. I didn't claim that ALL average American Joes I know experience wild success. That's just not true. I've emphasized that being proactive and not being thrown-off by their often initial coldness is an important factor as well. I've also speculated that the rules for ABCs, which I don't have much experience with, is probably quite different than for westerners. So don't take it that you are below average. You are ABC and I'm talking mainly about the experience of whities.

3. I definitely think you would not be written-off for physical reasons nearly as often in China as you were in Russia. A lot of average Chinese guys still look and act pretty badly overall - not tall and skinny, poor teeth, dress, and hygiene, and rude, loud, and uncouth. For example, in Harbin, the Russian guys I saw looked, to me, noticeably better presented, more masculine, and in better physical shape than similar aged local guys. And these Russian guys were also a bit unsavory and tended to drink heavily at night. The Canadian and American English teacher expats warned me to keep a distance from them. Besides, some Chinese girls might find you handsome, you never know till you spend some time there. Anyway, some Chinese girls (and even guys) really don't care about looks much when seeking a long term partner. Many of the English teacher expats you see outside of Beijing and Shanghai are dumpy loser looking types. Yet some of them manage to score a decent looking gf or gfs. My friend's wife from Shenyang told me that for a lot of Chinese women, looks are considered pretty low on priorities, sometimes useless. Her husband is 26 years older than her and very short.

I don't agree that all Chinese women are super picky and have high standards. That's only a subset, often girls in the overseas Chinese communities or from certain types of backgrounds. Its one of the stereotypes which I believe may be overestimated. China still has a huge poorer class. Yes, some Taiwanese may appreciate the 3Hs in theory. But in reality, they sometimes break their own rules in dating and marriage. Many other girls in Taiwan are still relatively down to earth and don't ask too much, just a decent guy with a stable job whose willing and able to provide a secure family environment. But I guess you don't exactly fit that profile either, lol.

Posted: **November 6th, 2011, 10:20 pm**

Rock wrote: Some of those girls look pretty interesting

I think I've always been able to recognize the bad types fairly soon when going out with Chinese or Taiwanese girls. Fortunately, I haven't encountered many of them, especially in Taiwan or so that's my impression.

First of all, it helps to approach strangers on the street or use mainstream online venues such as QQ. Certain websites are bound to attract a high percentage of visa seekers and gold diggers, just like in Russia. I still believe China has plenty of innocent types to choose from. But you need to learn how to recognize them and not get fooled by the others.

When I go out with a girl, and I'm attracted to her, I throw a lot of subtle tests her way, observe her very carefully, and note the kinds of questions she asks and the topics of conversation which interest her. In my experience, its very easy to separate out the genuine types from the undesirables within a few meetings and/or conversations. Of course, the tests must continue as the relationship progresses. Just watching what she does through the slits of your eyes when you pretend to sleep can reveal a lot. If a girl really loves you a lot, its not uncommon that she will just sit next to you and stare at you with contentment on her face as you rest. And just because a girl is genuine does not mean she is necessarily worthy of LT relationship consideration. Sometimes, she will just end up being a physical partner or good friend. You've got to control the process. If you let her gain real control, you are probably going to loose in the longer term, one way or another. Even with my current gf, I've drawn some hard lines which I've never let her breach. And I always have to be ready to walk. If you are strong enough, its pretty easy to manage as long as she's just a gf. Marry her and the power balance changes so you really need to be sure she's an angel before you take that step. And only consider it if she's going to bear you her first child (sacrifice her body and youth for you). If she eventually ends up leaving you for someone else, you can at least take satisfaction that you got her best years and condition. And you will have a child too which is desirable for many.

I don't think you are some sort of con-artist type. And I know you don't like to pretend. So I doubt you will get anywhere with the real scam artist and visa seeker pros. They are not dumb enough to be fooled by someone as straightforward as you. Perhaps some less intelligent and inexperienced types with the wrong motives will fall into your lap. But generally, I always got the best and most enjoyable experiences by far with those who had what I consider pure intentions. I think you would too.

Girls with user type motives are putting on an act. If you are sensitive enough, your intuition should tell you something is off. Don't ignore your gut if something bothers you. On the other hand, just because you feel too comfortable early on does not mean you should discontinue the tests. Some people can act amazingly well in the short run. But sooner or later, she will reveal bad signs. Stay awake. Perfect paranoia is perfect awareness when dealing with these women. And generally, I don't think they are nearly as good at putting on a credible long-term act as their Russian counterparts.

That might be true. I haven't had much luck trying to scam gold diggers or users. With Katya in Russia, for example, she followed two rules strictly:

1. Don't give him sex. Make excuses not to have it.
2. Extract as much gifts from him as possible. Make him feel obligated to spend freely, even if it hurts him financially.

With those two rules, it was very difficult to scam her back. My advisors at the time like Brad Sharp, gave me a plan to scam her back, and made it sound like it was easy, but his plan never worked. It only backfired.

I was only able to get sex with Katya a few times by pleading and whining. By the time she finally gave in, I was emotionally drained from the pleading and whining, and the sex was cold and rushed. She kept saying "Hurry up. Are you finished yet?" It was a total raw deal.

So Rock, what kind of red flags do you notice from gold diggers? Can you give some examples?

Btw, not all gold diggers consider themselves deceitful or scammers. Some Russian gold digging women told me that it was their honest genuine belief that "Real men spend freely on women, even if they are on their last dime, and do not ask for anything in return. It is a man's moral duty to be generous and give a woman everything she wants without complaint." They seem to genuinely believe this and do not consider it immoral in any way. It's very weird.

I honestly think that men are far more romantic at heart than women are. They just don't talk in romantic language, due to the cultural standards of them having to be masculine and macho. Women, on the other hand, claim to be romantic, but they don't connect with men emotionally for some reason. Men try to connect with women, but women don't seem to try to connect with them back. Anyone notice this too?

Posted: **November 6th, 2011, 10:22 pm**

Rock wrote: Yes, some Taiwanese may appreciate the 3Hs in theory. But in reality, they sometimes break their own rules in dating and marriage. Many other girls in Taiwan are still relatively down to earth and don't ask too much, just a decent guy with a stable job whose willing and able to provide a secure family environment. But I guess you don't exactly fit that profile either, lol.

I dug this article up from 2008 stats on Taiwanese/foreign marriages.

Here's the passage about Taiwanese women:

Also in 2008, some 869 Taiwanese women married Japanese men, 621 married men from China, Hong Kong and Macau, and 521 tied the knot with Americans, the statistics showed.

As an anecdote I see a lot of Taiwanese women married to overseas Chinese or ABC's in CA...my cousin as a personal example.

I bet most of the Taiwanese women marrying Japanese are from the younger set too (early-mid 20's.)

I doubt your average Japanese man always fulfills the 3 H's either except for maybe the income part but even then that probably offers only marginal benefits to a career orientated Taiwanese woman who may have to relocate.

Posted: **November 6th, 2011, 10:31 pm**

Another thing to consider, my cousins wife's personality fits the "average" Taiwanese woman portrayal people talk about here. She's an intelligent, refined, and dedicated career and family woman who comes from a rather wealthy family. My cousin is an ABC and is a rather reserved, educated, and pretty serious guy when it comes to family and work. He's not uptight though and has a good sensor of humor, very good social skills, worldly, and he also dresses very well. He's not particularly handsome or tall. He's only 5'8" or so.

Of course that's just an individual relationship but my cousin's personality and other attributes seems to fit well with Taiwanese women. I know before he met his wife other TW girls (at his university) were really into him too.

I feel that his profile is the type that TW women go for when they are looking for husbands. I would say my cousin's characteristics probably match your average middle class Japanese guy's cultural traits too.

Posted: **November 6th, 2011, 11:11 pm**

Rock wrote: 1. Interesting point about your not being able to relate to 'super reserved types'. Perhaps its easier for me because I'm also reserved and shy at heart. I have to push myself to be proactive and outgoing. It does not come natural. When I was in DR, the in your face, strangers looking you straight in the eye and talking to you actually threw me off. I'm not so used to that and it sometimes caused me to feel uncomfortable. Perhaps you would like it.

2. Re-read my posts about Taiwan in the earliest parts where I threw-up well over a dozen real life cases, mainly white guys. Several of them did not do so well in Taiwan. I didn't claim that ALL average American Joes I know experience wild success. That's just not true. I've emphasized that being proactive and not being thrown-off by their often initial coldness is an important factor as well. I've also speculated that the rules for ABCs, which I don't have much experience with, is probably quite different than for westerners. So don't take it that you are below average. You are ABC and I'm talking mainly about the experience of whities.

3. I definitely think you would not be written-off for physical reasons nearly as often in China as you were in Russia. A lot of average Chinese guys still look and act pretty badly overall - not tall and skinny, poor teeth, dress, and hygiene, and rude, loud, and uncouth. For example, in Harbin, the Russian guys I saw looked, to me, noticeably better presented, more masculine, and in better physical shape than similar aged local guys. And these Russian guys were also a bit unsavory and tended to drink heavily at night. The Canadian and American English teacher expats warned me to keep a distance from them. Besides, some Chinese girls might find you handsome, you never know till you spend some time there. Anyway, some Chinese girls (and even guys) really don't care about looks much when seeking a long term partner. Many of the English teacher expats you see outside of Beijing and Shanghai are dumpy loser looking types. Yet some of them manage to score a decent looking gf or gfs. My friend's wife from Shenyang told me that for a lot of Chinese women, looks are considered pretty low on priorities, sometimes useless. Her husband is 26 years older than her and very short.

I don't agree that all Chinese women are super picky and have high standards. That's only a subset, often girls in the overseas Chinese communities or from certain types of backgrounds. Its one of the stereotypes which I believe may be overestimated. China still has a huge poorer class. Yes, some Taiwanese may appreciate the 3Hs in theory. But in reality, they sometimes break their own rules in dating and marriage. Many other girls in Taiwan are still relatively down to earth and don't ask too much, just a decent guy with a stable job whose willing and able to provide a secure family environment. But I guess you don't exactly fit that profile either, lol.

How can you be reserved? I've seen you approach many women without fear, especially in Angeles City. It was like a routine to you. You seem very engaging and love to talk too.

I remember you saying that you knew some foreigners in Taiwan that didn't like the culture there. But I don't remember you saying that they didn't have dating success.

Also, how come you told me before that TW women were as approachable, open and direct as Russian women? Did you say that by mistake? That was never fully explained.

I guess there are a lot of poor Chinese girls who aren't that picky with looks. I'm sure as long you are clean with good hygiene, and nice and polite, many girls will not care about your looks.

Posted: **November 8th, 2011, 8:10 am**

Winston wrote:
Phoenix Sosa wrote:Are you considering China now, Winston? What do you have to lose?
Well if I get rejected by every girl I'm attracted to, it will hurt my ego of course. And it could drain me financially too, unless I live on a frugal budget there, which would look bad in front of materialistic Chinese women.

Also, the reason I'm skeptical about claims about China being a dating paradise is this. If I never came to Taiwan before, and just read trip reports about it, I would think that Taiwan is a dating paradise too. But it is not at all for me. Women give me no attention, no eye contact and never stop to talk to me. I find it harder to approach women in TW than even in America. They are so reserved and put up a bad vibe around me, that it feels awkward and creepy to try to chat them up. I don't know how to deal with super reserved types of women. I am much more comfortable with open direct relaxed types of foreign women. Reserved women are on a different wavelength, one that I can't really connect with. They are not playful or relaxed around strangers.

Plus, as momopi claimed, TW women are looking for the 3H - height, handsome, and high income - just like American women are, so I don't see what chance I have, even though Rock claims that ALL average American joes that he knows experiences wild success in Taiwan, which totally defies logic, and insinuates that I am somehow "below average".

The point is, people can tell you one thing, but when you go there, you can experience the complete opposite. So you never know. That's why I'm skeptical.

It could also turn out like Russia, where many girls are platonically friendly to me, but rarely ever gets intimate or romantic with me. That would also suck too, but wouldn't be as bad, cause then at least I could feel "free" to be myself and expressive myself, whereas in reserved countries with reserved women, I do not feel free to express myself, openly flirt, or hit on women freely and playfully, which sucks the most. I hate feeling repressed.

Plus, you gotta keep in mind that Chinese women by nature are super picky and have high standards.

So..not taking this as a personal reproach,why continuing to look for China, if Chinese woman doesn't seem to be open?
There's no logical to it.

I'm more inclined to think poorly regarding Chinese women(if having fun is the point and being in an open environment)than others women from SE Asia.

Each time i met a Chinese type,be in Thailand,many of them are career orientated,only looking for a rich guy.

Those who were more"human"wanted to find their unique love..but even that kind of vibes is not what i'm looking for.

I like to be in a place where i can flirt with many ladies,playing around and they can do the same things if they wants.

Life is short..no time to lose for me in societies where women are reserved,are a high price trophy and a high maintenance with poor sexual activity.

Is it because this women seem to be more difficult to approach, so they are becoming more valuable?

Not in my book..i'm interested in woman who are approachable,funny to be with and are not reserved paranoid type.

Those who are in the wrong type,i'm not inclined to talk with them,i'm not in the feeling to try to seduce them and i prefer not to be surrounded by them.

Posted: **December 6th, 2011, 1:58 am**

green1976 wrote: So..not taking this as a personal reproach,why continuing to look for China, if Chinese woman doesn't seem to be open?
There's no logical to it.

I'm more inclined to think poorly regarding Chinese women(if having fun is the point and being in an open environment)than others women from SE Asia.

Each time i met a Chinese type,be in Thailand,many of them are career orientated,only looking for a rich guy.

Those who were more"human"wanted to find their unique love..but even that kind of vibes is not what i'm looking for.

I like to be in a place where i can flirt with many ladies,playing around and they can do the same things if they wants.

Life is short..no time to lose for me in societies where women are reserved,are a high price trophy and a high maintenance with poor sexual activity.

Is it because this women seem to be more difficult to approach, so they are becoming more valuable?

Not in my book..i'm interested in woman who are approachable,funny to be with and are not reserved paranoid type.

Those who are in the wrong type,i'm not inclined to talk with them,i'm not in the feeling to try to seduce them and i prefer not to be surrounded by them.

Well apparently, women in China are not like in Taiwan, I hear. Several of my friends, including Rock, said they were not as reserved as in Taiwan and that my social style would jive better in China.

This is consistent with my experience as well. The women from mainland China that I've met in real life seem far easier to talk to than those from Taiwan or Japan. For sure. In college, one of my best friends was a mainland Chinese student named Linda. She hung out with me and my Vietnamese girlfriend back in 1993. Linda was very direct and not afraid to talk to people. She was not afraid to say to a shopkeeper, "There's nothing good in your store". I was amazed and amused at how brutally honest she was. I thought she was the only Chinese girl that was like that, because I assumed all Chinese were like what I saw in Taiwan, very reserved and cliquish. When I first talked to Linda, it was very easy and natural.

Also, I've been writing a lot of women from China on DateinAsia, and about half of them write me back. THAT'S 50 PERCENT! That's huge. In contrast, when I wrote Taiwanese women on DIA, the results were 1 percent wrote me back and none of them wanted to meet. (well actually I met one TW girl last year on DIA that I became friends with but she wasn't my type but we are still good friends) So imagine that - 50 percent vs. 1 percent. Huge difference of results. DIA is a good barometer of what women are like in a given country in Asia.

Thus, based on the above, it is logical to assume that what I think about Chinese women only applies to Taiwan and Hong Kong, not mainland China.

Posted: **December 6th, 2011, 2:16 am**

Rock,
You did say after coming back from China that women were not as reserved as in TW right? And that social interaction there flowed more smoothly and directly without the "shyness wall" right?

Btw, I've been browsing more profiles on DIA and noticed that a lot of Chinese women say they don't like black men in their profiles. So would China be good for black guys?

Here is an example:

http://www.dateinasia.com/Lanfen.html

I want to meet a charming well educated native European, American, Canadian or Asian man ONLY! One who is good mannered, caring, has has a good career, and of course attractive. One who is willing to marry me. I look forward to finding you and enjoying being with you. Please don't contact me if you are over 45 and no blacks, arabs or muslims thank you !

Other Chinese women profiles will also add "no filipinos" too.

Have you heard from any black guys in China? What did they say?

Posted: **December 6th, 2011, 2:34 am**

Hi Rock,
The tall young white guy from Chicago in Taiwan I told you about, apparently wants to try out the Philippines too. Here is what he told me below. He told me that contrary to what I think, he does not get approached by girls in Taipei. See the part in bold below.

"Hey bud. I was just reading comments to an article your wrote. http://www.orientexpat.com/forum/16952- ... se-people/

We should talk again and I can give you some stories about my experience thus far. There are certainly times that I felt like an outsider at the school i worked at. The culture here can be very kind to some and cruel to others for reasons that seem bizarre to me.

I think I remember you saying you were in Philippines at some point? I might be going there soon. Anyways holla back."

"I haven't been to Europe but I'm curious. I wonder if Europeans will be uninterested because I'm just a boring white American. Not like here where I'm "unique". I will say you are wrong about Taiwanese girls approaching white guys. That never happens to me unless you mean online. Out in public they are generally shy. But if I approach they are receptive. The thing is I've found that if they are foreigner crazy then that means they will go after any foreigner so they probably juggle many foreigners on the side. I don't want a girl like that.

I just want to check out Philippines because I heard the girls are warmer there and easy to approach and speak decent English. I've done Thailand. Some good women there and the food is awesome. I'm heading to Manila but I don't know where I might go from there. I'm a little curious about Angeles City but then it might be too scandalous. "

What do you think? Are his impressions of Taiwan typical?

Here is what he looks like, in case you're curious.

http://www.dateinasia.com/chicago_taste.html

Posted: **December 6th, 2011, 6:34 am**

My general impressions about Taiwanese women. Very good, must say. They are generally more westernised and sophisticated than their Chinese counterparts, even their social status and independence being equal. It seemed to me that Taiwanese culture has been more open to the West than Japanese or Korean in recent years, and this probably accounts for their open mind and curiosity about meeting and dating westerners. Little or no problem with speaking English, reasonably adventurous and open to experiment in the relationship and sex departments. Some of those traits may have well been due to some of them being in London, so in full "tourist mode". Not sure if that's a bias. Also, I have never perceived them as overly materialistic, in fact two of them loved to talk about their slant on Buddhism and their ideas of practical (confucian) spirituality.

My episodes with TW ladies:

- 3 or 4 Taiwanese women met in London in my "golden years", the youngest was 19 (very cute but also very inexperienced about the male universe and sex), two in their mid twenties, one of whom had suprisingly large breasts (almost a full D cup!) to be an Asian, and another a married woman in her early 40's, living in London for a Masters in Law and absolutely sex-starved - she wasn't young but high class and very well looked after body, and great sex too

- one Taiwanese I met on Worldfriends.tv when I was living in Milan - she was 26 at the time, good looking, and what struck me, she was amazingly open about sexuality! She said she had a boyfriend from Israel who had sex with her and after that she couldn't go back to having sex with Taiwanese men

) We had lots of cam sex (she even bought herself a dildo just to spice things up) and phone chats and I was seriously considering visiting her for a week of hot stuff. Unfortunately I postponed the trip for too long and things kind of dried up, so we gradually stopped talking to each other;
- one Taiwanese girl I met in a trade fair in Germany: she was the account manager for a product we used in our company back in Italy and I ended up having a couple of dinners and a few chats with her. Nothing more than that, but could definitely sense intelligence, curiosity and ambitions in her words.

Posted: **December 6th, 2011, 9:34 am**

Winston wrote:Hi Rock,
The tall young white guy from Chicago in Taiwan I told you about, apparently wants to try out the Philippines too. Here is what he told me below. He told me that contrary to what I think, he does not get approached by girls in Taipei. See the part in bold below.

"Hey bud. I was just reading comments to an article your wrote. http://www.orientexpat.com/forum/16952- ... se-people/

We should talk again and I can give you some stories about my experience thus far. There are certainly times that I felt like an outsider at the school i worked at. The culture here can be very kind to some and cruel to others for reasons that seem bizarre to me.

I think I remember you saying you were in Philippines at some point? I might be going there soon. Anyways holla back."

"I haven't been to Europe but I'm curious. I wonder if Europeans will be uninterested because I'm just a boring white American. Not like here where I'm "unique". I will say you are wrong about Taiwanese girls approaching white guys. That never happens to me unless you mean online. Out in public they are generally shy. But if I approach they are receptive. The thing is I've found that if they are foreigner crazy then that means they will go after any foreigner so they probably juggle many foreigners on the side. I don't want a girl like that.

I just want to check out Philippines because I heard the girls are warmer there and easy to approach and speak decent English. I've done Thailand. Some good women there and the food is awesome. I'm heading to Manila but I don't know where I might go from there. I'm a little curious about Angeles City but then it might be too scandalous. "

What do you think? Are his impressions of Taiwan typical?

Here is what he looks like, in case you're curious.

http://www.dateinasia.com/chicago_taste.html

Taiwan girls will generally not approach stranger dudes in public, especially if he is in passive mode. But if he goes to school, teaches a class, or does something else which puts him in repeated contact with the same girls, chances are that one or more of them will at some point, after a certain level of familiarity is established, give the guy subtle hints of her interest in knowing him better. Some girls will even be more direct. And at certain Taipei night clubs, some girls may approach stranger foreigners if they like what they see.

Most of the girls I met were through my own efforts. I usually made the first move and in some lucky cases, the girl would just fell into my lap. I remember following a tall 19 year old as she left her job at Citigroup in her sexy uniform for a couple blocks before getting up the courage to approach her. As soon as I did, I could see immediately she was excited. And she stepped a lot closer to me as I talked, a very good sign. We traded digits and I left. A couple days later (on a Sunday), I saw her sitting outside as I walked into Mingheng/Dunhwa McDonalds, with a Taiwanese student dude. I thought, damn, that must be the bf. But guess what. A couple minutes later, she appeared by my side as I was ordering and asked me to call her later that day (I hadn't called her yet). When I did, she explained that the guy was indeed her bf but she wanted to break-up with him. We arranged an evening date for a couple days later, things went great, the bf was history, and it turned into a relationship which was very convenient since she worked so close to me. We even had some fun times in her office after hours, lol She told me she noticed me following her but did not have to courage to say anything to me. If I had chickened out, she would have continued on and I never would have met her. That's why I think being proactive can make such a huge impact on results, no matter how ugly or handsome the guy happens to be.

Posted: **December 6th, 2011, 9:47 am**

Winston wrote:Rock,
You did say after coming back from China that women were not as reserved as in TW right? And that social interaction there flowed more smoothly and directly without the "shyness wall" right?

Btw, I've been browsing more profiles on DIA and noticed that a lot of Chinese women say they don't like black men in their profiles. So would China be good for black guys?

Here is an example:

http://www.dateinasia.com/Lanfen.html

I want to meet a charming well educated native European, American, Canadian or Asian man ONLY! One who is good mannered, caring, has has a good career, and of course attractive. One who is willing to marry me. I look forward to finding you and enjoying being with you. Please don't contact me if you are over 45 and no blacks, arabs or muslims thank you !
Other Chinese women profiles will also add "no filipinos" too.

Have you heard from any black guys in China? What did they say?

Don't over analyze this. I've seen both types in China. I think the main reason I got their attention in Shekou was that I spoke smooth Chinese and they weren't used to that. Apparently, most expats in that area do not. Anyway, it really doesn't matter so much what percentage are in theory reserved if you are lookin,g for girls to date. What's more important is how they respond to you. If she is interested or likes you, chances are she will open up. Otherwise, she may be rather cool. It varies a lot from person to person, especially in such a giant country as China.

Clearly, you seem to be doing much better, online at least, with Chinese girls than those in Taiwan. So continue along this trajectory as far as you can and make the most of it. If Chinese girls seem more open to a guy like you than Taiwanese, why not formulate a plan to go over for awhile and find out how it pans-out first hand. If you decide you like it, you could probably find decent English teaching work to support your basic living expenses.

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