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I wonder how many women you have to ask out in order to even get ONE phone number and according to David Deangelo, you should be getting 10 numbers a week! I know Winston said he asked out hundreds of girls when he was living in the US and only got phone numbers from 1 to 2% of them! 
jamesbond wrote:David Deangelo rule for phone numbers is, for every 10 phone numbers you get, you will only get a date with 1 or 2 of those women. He said he came up with this after getting hundreds of women's phone numbers. He said this is why guys need to get a lot of phone numbers and should try to get at least 10 phone numbers a week. He said if you get 10 numbers a week, that's 40 a month and out of those 40 you will have a date with 4 to 8 women.
This seems like a LOT of work just to get a date with a woman!
J.Adama wrote:Giving out a phone number is nothing to most women. They do have some women in the states now who insist on only giving out their email addresses though. As for phone numbers, I think the success rate is much closer to 0 than to 10%.
Truthfully it is not worth the hassle to hit on ten women or more a week. Unless you are already very attractive and have money, you are wasting your time.
I tried this approach when I first got to college at parties. I was the king of getting phone numbers, even among every guy I knew in my whole dormitory building. They wanted to have a contest but they knew I'd win. So they never bothered.
When you call the girl, if she answers, she will be too busy with her life to meet you or even to speak with you again. She will give haughty, deep sighs, act bored, and tell you she is in a rush. That's if she answers.
If the number is real and she remembers she gave out her number, she will be screening calls. That means if it isnt someone she already knows, she will let it go to the voicemail and decide if she wants to call you back later. She will not return the phone call.
Then there are the women who have no problem giving out bogus phone numbers. Now they even have these group phone numbers for women. So that they can give out a live phone number to guys they dont like. It is real and has a voicemail message, but it just doesnt belong to any particular woman.
Dont bother with American women. They are rotten to the core. It is impossible to succeed with catching one, unless you are a sociopath or obviously wealthy or very well connected and popular within her social group. A random meeting in a subway is not going to get you beyond the stranger barrier with AW. And even if you caught her and began a relationship, that would only be the start of the mind games, emotional terrorism and torture.
I have friends who want me to go out to clubs with them. I always say no. They tell me about the numbers they got from women, the women who bought them drinks, how the girl volunteered to give their number without being asked. What becomes of these women? They screen their calls with the voicemail and never return phone calls.
This numbers' game approach with American women is a recipe for disastrously low self esteem in the man.
When I was in Europe, my success rate was >85% with women who would flirt with me in shopping centers, metros, trainstations, cafes and fast food restaurants. Here in the USA if a woman is flirting with you she reserves the right to flake on you later; it does not mean much of anything other than she wants attention to prop up her ego, not that she is truly interested in initiating a relationship of 5 mins or longer.
American women have pent up anger and their hearts are cold and evil. This spills over into the way they treat men. Unless you want to ruin what is left of your soul (from having been born in this shithole country), it is better for you to override your basic instincts and ignore women.
"Good persons produce good from what they've stored up; bad persons produce evil from the wickedness they've stored up in their hearts, and say evil things. For from the overflow of the heart they produce evil." Evil people are only capable of evil actions. Stop expecting good to come from evil people. This means leave them alone.
For me this all ended about 5 years ago with AW, for good. I admit I still had a sliver of hope thinking that some could be different, but I have been completely disabused of that notion after the last couple of years.Nate wrote:J.Adama wrote:Giving out a phone number is nothing to most women. They do have some women in the states now who insist on only giving out their email addresses though. As for phone numbers, I think the success rate is much closer to 0 than to 10%.
Truthfully it is not worth the hassle to hit on ten women or more a week. Unless you are already very attractive and have money, you are wasting your time.
I tried this approach when I first got to college at parties. I was the king of getting phone numbers, even among every guy I knew in my whole dormitory building. They wanted to have a contest but they knew I'd win. So they never bothered.
When you call the girl, if she answers, she will be too busy with her life to meet you or even to speak with you again. She will give haughty, deep sighs, act bored, and tell you she is in a rush. That's if she answers.
If the number is real and she remembers she gave out her number, she will be screening calls. That means if it isnt someone she already knows, she will let it go to the voicemail and decide if she wants to call you back later. She will not return the phone call.
Then there are the women who have no problem giving out bogus phone numbers. Now they even have these group phone numbers for women. So that they can give out a live phone number to guys they dont like. It is real and has a voicemail message, but it just doesnt belong to any particular woman.
Dont bother with American women. They are rotten to the core. It is impossible to succeed with catching one, unless you are a sociopath or obviously wealthy or very well connected and popular within her social group. A random meeting in a subway is not going to get you beyond the stranger barrier with AW. And even if you caught her and began a relationship, that would only be the start of the mind games, emotional terrorism and torture.
I have friends who want me to go out to clubs with them. I always say no. They tell me about the numbers they got from women, the women who bought them drinks, how the girl volunteered to give their number without being asked. What becomes of these women? They screen their calls with the voicemail and never return phone calls.
This numbers' game approach with American women is a recipe for disastrously low self esteem in the man.
When I was in Europe, my success rate was >85% with women who would flirt with me in shopping centers, metros, trainstations, cafes and fast food restaurants. Here in the USA if a woman is flirting with you she reserves the right to flake on you later; it does not mean much of anything other than she wants attention to prop up her ego, not that she is truly interested in initiating a relationship of 5 mins or longer.
American women have pent up anger and their hearts are cold and evil. This spills over into the way they treat men. Unless you want to ruin what is left of your soul (from having been born in this shithole country), it is better for you to override your basic instincts and ignore women.
"Good persons produce good from what they've stored up; bad persons produce evil from the wickedness they've stored up in their hearts, and say evil things. For from the overflow of the heart they produce evil." Evil people are only capable of evil actions. Stop expecting good to come from evil people. This means leave them alone.
What...clueless guys are hopping to score dates with Ameriskanks? They need to get out more...a wicked bitch is a wicked bitch, no matter how hot she is...and in fact most American women are far from hot, with the attitude and the extra blubber......oh wait...got to go...my 100 lb Filipina nympho just got home and is starting to take her clothes off...
Bye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who has time to ask out 50 women a week? In college this would of been much easier to do.These guys are selling a fantasy. This lifestyle just isnt possible in the US. Women arent receptive to being hit on that much. They do experience burn out, especially women they get hit on frequently.jamesbond wrote:I used to be on David Deangelos email list and in one email he said, "think of phone numbers as your ticket to dates and sex." Well that maybe true but how many women do you have to ask out in order to get ONE date with a woman? I know he says to try and get 10 phone numbers a week but to get those 10 numbers you probably need to ask out 50 women!
Really? I call my mom all the time on Skype without issue, even though I am in Asia. When my Korean girlfriend was in Australia, and I was in the Philippines, we talked via video chat all the time. There were occasional cut outs, but it seemed to be based more on where she moved in her apartment than on the overseas connection.momopi wrote: Downside: voice + video chat on skype is really flaky with oversea calls. Probably bandwith issues. I had problems with connections to Taiwan, China, Singapore, Japan, and Italy. In the end I just turn off the video cam.
