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This article is so true, all women should read it to truly understand men. This is why modern marriage doesn't work cause all men need a sexual outlet with no consequences to the relationship. This is how it was for thousands of years, than just in the last hundred or less things have changed in the western world. The business of litigation and radical feminization has destroyed what it is to be a man in todays world...
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Why you should forgive infidelity: A man's view of the ultimate betrayal
By WILLIAM NICHOLSON
Last updated at 8:02 PM on 6th November 2010
Given the opportunity (and no consequences) all men would be unfaithful, says novelist and screenwriter William Nicholson, right. And in a stable marriage, he argues, perhaps a fling isnâ€™t such a big deal
Find a moment when you and your husband are alone together and ask him a hypothetical question: â€˜If you had the chance, and if you were sure no one would ever know, and if you were sure there would be no consequences, would you have sex with another woman?â€™
â€˜Thatâ€™s not a real question,â€™ heâ€™ll say. â€˜It could never be like that.â€™
â€˜Yes, but if it was?â€™
â€˜Why are you asking me this? What am I supposed to answer?â€™
So he dodges and wriggles, and if you persist in the end heâ€™ll tell you what he knows you want to hear. â€˜Of course I wouldnâ€™t. Iâ€™ve got you.â€™
No husband is ever going to tell you the truth. Except me, now. Of course heâ€™d do it. Any man, given the chance of sex with a woman he finds attractive, would take it if he truly believed there would be no consequences. Men desire and enjoy sex in and for itself, without any other emotional connection. How else do you explain the massive male appetite for pornography and prostitutes? How can you explain star footballers paying for sex when every club they enter is packed with young women whoâ€™ll gratify them for nothing? Men want sex without strings. Just a bit of fun, and then back to work.
â€˜But they shouldnâ€™t!â€™ (Forgive me if I put words into your mouth, itâ€™s the writer in me imagining your response.) â€˜Itâ€™s wrong, selfish, hurtful. You may want it, but tough. Youâ€™ve made a commitment. Live up to it. Be faithful to your wife.â€™ And maybe you add under your breath, â€˜Iâ€™m glad Iâ€™m not your wife. Iâ€™m glad Iâ€™ve got a decent husband.â€™
This is where things get complicated. Iâ€™ve got history, like most people. I had many relationships through my 20s and 30s. Then I married at last when I was 40. Since then, 22 years ago now, I have been faithful. Marriage has proved to be a liberation. I have no desire to return to the freedom I so jealously guarded for so long. Iâ€™ve found a happiness in marriage, in commitment, in fidelity, that is greater than anything I knew before.
And yet Iâ€™m the same as any other man. I, too, like any husband, would enjoy making love with another woman, if there were no consequences. I donâ€™t do it, because there are consequences. Because when I balance up the gains and losses I find I stand to lose too much. Because I no longer get the offers. And because Iâ€™m getting older.
There are two more aids to fidelity which have made a big difference to me, but which may not apply to all men. Both are the fruits of marrying late. Iâ€™ve learnt from experience that sex with someone you donâ€™t know, which looks so thrilling from the outside, is simply not as good as sex with someone you know well. And because I was
older when I married, I had learnt quite a lot about myself; about my desires, my fears, my self-doubts. I told them all to my wife, as if to say, â€˜Be warned. Are you still sure you want to make a life with me now?â€™ She listened to me without either shock or surprise, and responded by telling me about herself. For the first time it dawned on me that someone who loves you actually wants to please you, and needs only to be told how. It sounds easy. But I hadnâ€™t managed this in 20 years of moving from one lover to another.
See it from his point of view: his waistlineâ€™s expanded, his hairlineâ€™s receded; he meets a woman who wants his body and likes him to talk dirty. Heâ€™s born again!
Over those same years my central subject as a writer has been love. My major contribution to the screenplay of the film Gladiator was Maximusâ€™s love for his wife and his longing to be reunited with her after death. Love and its complications continue to obsess me. My latest novel is about a married man who has an affair; which I have never done. And yet he is me. Heâ€™s me as I would have been had I married younger, and had I not begun my marriage with so much honesty. He loves his wife, his children, his home, but he has never felt able to live out his sexual dreams in his real life. Itâ€™s the story of whatâ€™s called a fling â€“ and why it may not be such a big deal after all.
â€˜Aha! Now youâ€™re going to start making excuses for unfaithful men! So he has some adolescent fantasies heâ€™d like to act out? Tell him to grow up. Life doesnâ€™t give us all our dreams. And if he thinks Iâ€™m going to wear stockings and suspenders and let him spank me, he can dream on.â€™
No, you donâ€™t have to dress up and feel demeaned. You donâ€™t have to be someone youâ€™re not. All you have to do is listen to him and find out who he is. If he can talk to you about his sexual fantasies, itâ€™s almost as good as living them. What he wants most strongly is to be able to include the sexual excitement he gets from such thoughts in his lovemaking with you. We men long to know that we can still be loved and desired even when revealing our true sexual preferences.
â€˜But why do these fantasies have to be so adolescent? Whatâ€™s wrong with romantic love? Whatâ€™s wrong with grown-up sex?â€™
All I can say is, it may look infantile to you, but this is strong stuff. See it from his point of view. His waistline has expanded, his hair has receded, and he canâ€™t always perform as he would like. He meets a woman who wants his body and likes him to talk dirty to her â€“ My God! Heâ€™s born again! Just once, oh Lord, just once, let me live the dream!
And suppose he does. Has he stopped loving you? Does it mean your marriage is over? Not necessarily. Heâ€™s not turned into a monster. Heâ€™s just catching up with himself. Heâ€™s having a fling.
â€˜But itâ€™s not a fling! Itâ€™s sex! This is the most intimate part of our relationship, and heâ€™s doing it with someone else. The very thought of it makes me feel physically sick. And ugly. And old. And betrayed. How can I ever be the same with him again? How can I ever trust him again? And you tell me Iâ€™m supposed to forgive him!â€™
Not exactly. What Iâ€™m asking for is understanding. Feel it as he feels it and maybe
you wonâ€™t be quite so hurt.
The plain fact is, itâ€™s different for men. Just look at the basic physical differences. For you, the woman, sex requires you to open yourself up, to make yourself vulnerable, and to trust. Itâ€™s something that happens within you, something you receive. And it exposes you to the chance of the longest-term consequence imaginable â€“ a child. For the man itâ€™s all the other way round. The act of sex happens outside himself. Itâ€™s something he throws away. It has no long-term consequences. So he can have his fling and still love you, unlikely though that may seem. He can have sex with another woman and not love her at all. If you can deal with it, this could be your chance to make a far more powerful marriage, based on the truths you hadnâ€™t dared tell each other before.
â€˜But how can I know? I feel cheapened by what heâ€™s done. I feel Iâ€™m worth less. I donâ€™t love him as I did. Iâ€™m angry with him. I want to punish him. Shouldnâ€™t we just cut our losses and part?â€™
Maybe. Maybe you married young, without really knowing yourselves or each other, and
now youâ€™ve grown up youâ€™ve found youâ€™re not compatible. Maybe this affair is his cowardly way of getting out of a marriage that has made him unhappy for years. Maybe this isnâ€™t a fling at all, itâ€™s his bid for escape. How are you to know?
I donâ€™t think itâ€™s hard, if you can bear to face the truth. If you can convince him that you need to know what heâ€™s going through, and that you arenâ€™t simply seeking more ammunition with which to punish him and make him feel guilty, heâ€™ll tell you.
â€˜But I do want to punish him and make him feel guilty. Heâ€™s behaved like a selfish bastard. Why shouldnâ€™t he be made to pay?â€™
Because if thatâ€™s how you deal with him heâ€™ll go on lying to appease you. And you need the truth. Is he in or out? If he wants to stay, and you want him to stay, it can be done. Your life together can go on, bent out of its former shape, but intact.
Not very romantic? Actually, I think it is. I think two people learning to love and accept each other, failures and all, is deeply romantic. Weâ€™re all so needy and insecure, so full of guilt and shame. What we long for is to be known as we really are and still loved. Thatâ€™s a project that takes time and honesty and courage and compassion. Thatâ€™s what I call a marriage.
William Nicholsonâ€™s latest book All the Hopeful Lovers is published by Quercus, price Â£17.99. To order a copy for Â£14.99 with free p&p, contact the YOU Bookshop on 0845 155 0711, you-bookshop.co.uk
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Hell the F-yeah I'd become an infidel. I love p***y (I didnt' say women) too much to be in fidelity.
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Eh, not sure i totally agree with everything. For me, the ultimate betrayal is about TRUST. Do something that makes me no longer trust you, and the relationship is over. It's hard to put humpty dumpty back together again. Cheating on your SO is a really good way to break that trust but it isn't the only way, just the most obvious.
And yeah....it gets old real fast with the same woman after a year or 2 no matter how beautiful. We are wired to mess around. Can't argue with that.
You also notice the article mentioned,
"Thatâ€™s a project that takes time and honesty and courage and compassion. Thatâ€™s what I call a marriage. "
BUT nothing about trust. To me, that's not a marriage.
Trust is built until its broken and like you said its hard to put it back again.
Men want conquest and the target is other women.
Go to You Tube and search Allison Armstrong. She doesn't talk about infidelity, she says that American Women have lost the ability to Love Men. That is the crux of what we're talking about here.
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