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Don't envy the American woman

Postby Woman'sview » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:25 am

I know you guys in America and the West have it hard. But I want to show you from an American woman's perspective, another side you may not be thinking of.
When feminism hijacked our culture, it created an imbalance for every man, woman and child in this country. It is not just men who suffer, though you guys probably have it the worst, but it is every American child and every woman born or introduced into this unhealthy system.

You look at us women, and you feel that we have it good. It is not true, from the word "GO". From the moment we deny a man his male privileges and birthright, our suffering begins. Nature is so designed that what benefits the male will also benefit the female, if it is in right balance. Too much to the masculine side and you have oppressed females, treated like chattels, or slaves or half child. Too much to the feminine, you have smothering, hen-pecked husbands, weak men, stultified cultures, with little vigorous growth. We need masculine/feminine in right measure to have a harmonious working society.

America in the fifties seem to have reached the right balance. If this model had not been discarded, but improved upon, maybe things would not have gotten as bad as it is now.

From the moment we started abusing male privileges, we created and unnatural society.
Here, I believe, is the results:

We weakened our boys, and challenged our men to be less than men. The first time a woman insulted a man for holding the door open for her, she started to destroy the male/female dynamics. Men became unsure of themselves, confused and more distant towards her. Enough women mindlessly doing this, have worn away at the fabric of our society for about forty-five years now.
Women have to remember, in the natural order of things, they have less physical strength, and in most cultures outside the West, a man will not defer or humble himself to open a door for a woman. In Japan, a woman traditionally followed behind her husband out of respect. In the East, women served their husbands or was punished by him, his extended family and society.
In Africa, no man will let their wives throw her weight around, which leaves the woman subservient to her husband.

This one act of opening a door for a woman, raised the treatment of Western woman above all other women in the world. It made a man feel magnificent and great, and it made a woman feel like a princess.
Now after destroying a man's self-esteem for over four decades, man is now put into an unusual position where he has become almost superfluous. Some men have even been rewarded for being self-centered and irresponsible.

The result of all this is that now women are treated like men, police rough handle them now and what they say is taken as a threat often. Men's guards are up. The good woman, therefore is often treated in a rough and barbaric fashion, just because there is an assumption out there that all American women profess feminism. Some women like to be treated like a lady, including myself.

The truth is female nature will never change, no matter how much feminism denies that. We are not men. We feel things acutely, because we are wired for childbirth, child-rearing and caring for our men, so if we are treated like men, we are more liable to respond by crying in public, get emotional, and lose our logical position easily. In the fifties, American men, though they did not understand the female psyche much, they knew to give woman her space when she cried or got emotional and to respect that she was acting out of her female nature.
Now the law treats us like men. We will never be men, and we will become messed up females if we take the same blows as men.
We no longer can hide behind our gender as long ago we had that protection, most females in the rest of the non-western world are allowed to be women, we are not. Not all female desire to act like men, and it causes many of us great distress and dissonance.

So don't envy American woman for her tough stance, she pays for it in stress, increase incidents of heart disease leading to death, many diseases that were once only limited to males, she smokes like a man, and also has increase in lung cancer. She is dying and getting maimed in war, when formerly she was protected. Please don't envy us!

American women, are many times obsessed by "looks". Even when she is a man hating and choose to look like a man, she is still aware of her prettier feminine sister, she despises her, because that is the shadow she is constantly running from. She hates what she stands for, and wants to destroy it. She knows the pretty sister gets advancement, or attention, and she fight it with all her soul, hating both her and all men, a war that never relents. There is no rest for her. And undercurrent of female warfare is ever being fought between the pretty and the plain. The plain often wants to destroy the pretty, and some will spread malicious gossips and lies to over throw the "reigning queen".
This war is a constant in womenfolks. Add to that, we are, at some point going to get old, dethroned or lose our beauty. Now we have to spend all our time trying to maintain what nature has given us. Not to mention "fat" is ever present in a society that live on excesses. So we now have two obsessions, our youth and our weight.
We lose our looks we lose our power in society, unless we have another something else to replace it with. To lose our looks, we virtually become invisible. Forty is a fearful number to many women.
So don't envy American women, we have an insecurity that once we lose our looks, we will be alone, our husband might leave, the competition might make a move towards the man in our life. Or we may find out that the man in our life did not like us for who we are inside, it was just an external thing.
This suffering can can be so deep that it can lead to women disfiguring themselves, seeking after a beauty they will never reach, and leads them into tragic mistakes, in cosmetic surgery, liposuction. Even to an early grave.
Don't envy American woman, she pays a very heavy price to be beautiful and to maintain her beauty!

And to the end they suffer, they outlive men in old age, only to end up alone, unloved, forgotten by their children, placed in nursing homes against their will. Institutionalized in their last days, because they bred a narcissistic society. Some will end up cat ladies, having up to a hundred cats as their only companions. Because she sort power, she may end up alone, without children, forgotten, sleeping with her cats and talking to herself alone in her house. Even worse, she may end up dying alone, neglected, and discovered weeks after her death, by some service man who entered the property.
So don't envy American woman!
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Postby FreeYourMind » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:25 am

Excellent post. I don't think American men envy American women, we just want them to be women again. I've always been glad to be a man, but a society in which most women have lost their femininity and no longer respect and love men hurts men who love women to the core of their soul.

It isn't entirely on point, but this post on The Spearhead and the comments afterward pretty much nail why men have become almost unneeded in U.S. society. Feminism is a poisonous, Cultural Marxist ideology that is supported and funded by the government. Just as the government replaced the husband/father in Black society in the '60s (LBJ's "Great Society"), so is feminism finishing off the White family structure today by taking men's resources and earning ability and giving them to women.

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/01/18 ... rican-men/
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Postby well-informed » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:39 am

I'm sorry but me as a young guy i just don't have any remorse for MOST American Women. They just have so many advantages when it comes to the legal system that i don't think it's right to defend them at all. I'm speaking in generalities btw

- It's hard to defend women who want commitment and a big wedding (marriage) and yet 70% break their commitment for many reasons and actually gets rewarded for it. She keeps the house, in most cases the kids, alimony, etc. While the man has just got taken to cleaners. Divorced men are more likely to suffer from depression, financial bankruptcy and a broken heart.
- As far as women being treated like men by police. In a domestic violence call who gets arrested and have a record as well....... it's men. She can hit you with a bat, and a man would still get arrested. And who gets harsher sentences when it comes to crimes/felonies........... okay then
- How about how paternity fraud which is actually legal in some states. You think any financially-responsible man would want to support a child that is not his. What about women that lie and deceive men about pregnancy.
- It's baffling how american women complain about the lack of nice and respectable men when they walk right over them like mats. i've gotten laid by being a jerk, oh well that's nice.

So again i just can't agree with defending american women, honestly i could write more but i'll stop it. There are good women though but that is such a rarity most men would rather just date abroad. thanks for your post, it's better to hear things from the other side
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Postby ijohn » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:52 am

This is an interesting post. One question that comes up, was it really a paradise in the fifties?

Look at the wonder years show. They are wonder years for the *kids* and the kids only. Look at the father in the show. He is almost a numbed automaton - going to work in suburbia wearing his suit doing some mind numbingly boring job. And the mother is a bored housewife. It is hard to say this was some kind of a paradise in human living arrangements. Nuclear family living far away from other family members with no support network to help raise the kids. Having to only rely on each other for company, placing that kind of heavy burden on the partner to be a soulmate, a confidant, best friend, lover etc etc way too high a burden of expectation to be placed on one person.

Historically human beings always lived in big groups, usually the extended family. This relieved the pressure of child rearing and also gave the men and women other outlets for company so easing the pressure on the couple too.

The movements that came after that were a sort of rebellion, hey if this was paradise, how come it felt so crappy :lol:. Of course these movements created new arrangments that had their own problems some even more painful that what was there before.

It seems then that there is no escape from the problems.

You might ask how come in Asia people don't seem to have these questions and problems. Well in these places you are given a cultural template as to what you should be, what your relationships are. This template usually provides good support for two main things - raising children and have a community and people are encouraged not to question it. But people still have problems there too. Oh god yes. The extended family and community are a pain in the arse, children are raised as automatons of a different kind, crushed into moulds that might not fit them leaving them miserable etc etc.

The point then is well there is no escape from the problems.

A story goes like this.

A student went to the guru and asked him. Oh guru please help me solve all my problems. The guru said, sorry I don't really have anything to help you. But the student was insistent.

So the guru said, look my eager disciple, this is the only piece of wisdom I have to give you. In this life everyone has to have exactly 83 problems. If they solve one to make it 82, then another will come to take its place and make the total 83 again.

The student got angry. What kind of wisdom is this, he protested to the guru. So then what is all this you have here for? Meditation center, prayer hall, yoga, therapy, workshops. Is it a scam?

No said the guru, it is not. You see, there is one exception to the rule. Some people get an 84th problem. This problem can be gotten rid off but it takes some work and all of this is there to do that.

What is this problem asked the perplexed student.

Aah said the guru, this is the problem of trying to not have any problems.

Me, I am arranging the thing I need to be fulfilled. My fling with the central asian girl of mixed blood, riding the horse, spring, sunset, plains, horizon, wind in the hair, don't forget wind in the hair, that is really important. After that that will be it. It I tell you, it! I'll let everyone know how it works out.
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Postby Woman'sview » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:07 am

FreeYourMind wrote:Excellent post. I don't think American men envy American women, we just want them to be women again. I've always been glad to be a man, but a society in which most women have lost their femininity and no longer respect and love men hurts men who love women to the core of their soul.

It isn't entirely on point, but this post on The Spearhead and the comments afterward pretty much nail why men have become almost unneeded in U.S. society. Feminism is a poisonous, Cultural Marxist ideology that is supported and funded by the government. Just as the government replaced the husband/father in Black society in the '60s (LBJ's "Great Society"), so is feminism finishing off the White family structure today by taking men's resources and earning ability and giving them to women.

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/01/18 ... rican-men/


FreeYourMind, I also want women to be women again. To be a man in America was a wonderful thing. To be a woman was also a wonderful thing. But now nobody wins. I like the way you put about men who love women to the core of their soul. And a true woman also loves a man to the core of her soul. The feminist has lost her soul, probably.

The article in Spearhead was very interesting read. The man was right for announcing that a man's role is to provide. And that is not such a bad thing. American men have generally been good providers, with a few exceptions. And that is why women have been allowed to overstep their boundaries. It's too bad his caring has worked against him. You gave American woman a comfortable lifestyle and she has rebelled against your provision. I challenge another nation outside the West to show how they have given women more than what the American women had in the fifties.
I agree that it is Marxist ideology that has infected women, and is behind feminism. It is sad when the impersonal government has replaced the father, and we are reaping the fruits of what that has brought about.
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Postby Woman'sview » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:22 am

well-informed wrote:I'm sorry but me as a young guy i just don't have any remorse for MOST American Women. They just have so many advantages when it comes to the legal system that i don't think it's right to defend them at all. I'm speaking in generalities btw

- It's hard to defend women who want commitment and a big wedding (marriage) and yet 70% break their commitment for many reasons and actually gets rewarded for it. She keeps the house, in most cases the kids, alimony, etc. While the man has just got taken to cleaners. Divorced men are more likely to suffer from depression, financial bankruptcy and a broken heart.
- As far as women being treated like men by police. In a domestic violence call who gets arrested and have a record as well....... it's men. She can hit you with a bat, and a man would still get arrested. And who gets harsher sentences when it comes to crimes/felonies........... okay then
- How about how paternity fraud which is actually legal in some states. You think any financially-responsible man would want to support a child that is not his. What about women that lie and deceive men about pregnancy.
- It's baffling how american women complain about the lack of nice and respectable men when they walk right over them like mats. i've gotten laid by being a jerk, oh well that's nice.

So again i just can't agree with defending american women, honestly i could write more but i'll stop it. There are good women though but that is such a rarity most men would rather just date abroad. thanks for your post, it's better to hear things from the other side


well-informed, I agree with you. There is no excuse for the way men are treated in this country right now. These conditions that you describe that affect men are all true. I hope the day comes soon when men will regain their status.
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Postby Woman'sview » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:57 am

ijohn, thanks for your reply.
No, it was not paradise in the fifties. But it was far better than what we have in gender relationships.
Look at the wonder years show. They are wonder years for the *kids* and the kids only. Look at the father in the show. He is almost a numbed automaton - going to work in suburbia wearing his suit doing some mind numbingly boring job. And the mother is a bored housewife. It is hard to say this was some kind of a paradise in human living arrangements. Nuclear family living far away from other family members with no support network to help raise the kids. Having to only rely on each other for company, placing that kind of heavy burden on the partner to be a soulmate, a confidant, best friend, lover etc etc way too high a burden of expectation to be placed on one person.

Historically human beings always lived in big groups, usually the extended family. This relieved the pressure of child rearing and also gave the men and women other outlets for company so easing the pressure on the couple too.


Yes, that is true. Man seems to do better in tribes, so that everyone shares a responsibility for others and all is not laid on the shoulders of one person. This is the inherent weakness of capitalism and individualism in Western societies, that brings so much misery on the individual. Societies that live in tribes are less stressed, individuals are happier. But this was the highest that America seemed to have reached, in terms of comfort of hearth and home, and male and female dynamics.

The movements that came after that were a sort of rebellion, hey if this was paradise, how come it felt so crappy Laughing. Of course these movements created new arrangments that had their own problems some even more painful that what was there before.

It seems then that there is no escape from the problems.


The nuclear family has it's limits in the amount of happiness it can bring, since it does not follow the tribal pattern inherent in humanity. So of course it has its problems.
Women probably felt stifled at times, and the man at times stuck in a routine.
It could have been fixed if in times the kids were at school, the woman did a part time job, or a business at home if she desired to enrich her life further. And certainly, a full time job after the kids were grown, if she desired more stimulation and experience.

And for the man, maybe he could have joined the rest of the guys in clubs etc.
No need to throw the baby out with the bath water.
They didn't need to revamp the whole system.

You might ask how come in Asia people don't seem to have these questions and problems. Well in these places you are given a cultural template as to what you should be, what your relationships are. This template usually provides good support for two main things - raising children and have a community and people are encouraged not to question it. But people still have problems there too. Oh god yes. The extended family and community are a pain in the arse, children are raised as automatons of a different kind, crushed into moulds that might not fit them leaving them miserable etc etc.

The point then is well there is no escape from the problems.


Each culture has there good points. But in Asian society conformity can be crushing and oppressive, and originality not encouraged.

We could learn a lot from simple societies where everyone has a role no matter who he is. No one is forced to fit into a narrow mold, because each person function as a necessary member in the tribal body.

The anecdote about the student and the guru illustrates how problems are part of life. And it is best that we accept them for they are not going to go away. But, I think, if we are happy even when we have problems, that will be the best.
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Postby Winston » Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:24 pm

Good points Woman's View. I think that regardless of how many advantages and benefits American women have in US culture and society, the fact that they seem angry and unhappy a lot deep down, says something, namely that they've lost something, perhaps their soul or humanity or whatever. Or their basic nature has been so thwarted that regardless of what they have, they are never happy, cause there is a fundamental imbalance in them that messes them up. That's my conjecture on it.
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Postby ijohn » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:06 pm

ijohn, thanks for your reply.


My dear you seem like a genuine person but see what you are saying. You want a simpler society where everyone has a role that they conform to. But you also don't want conformity and want originality. How is that going to work?

This is the breakdown of the post modernist mind. We want the goodness of family and community but also all our preferences and space. We want 'till death do us part' but also have the option to leave if we are not feeling it. We want want the responsibility only when we feel like it, not otherwise.

It is too late. No use locking the stable door after the horse has bolted. You can't put the toothpaste back into the tube. You can't unscramble the eggs. You can't get back the day that just ended. It is over. What is done is done.

But weep not for that what is gone. In this world of time everything has a beginning, middle and an end. That what is born must die and be reborn. So let it go.

Men, this is for you! You at least with your logical brains will be able to understand economics 101 and the opportunity cost. For everything we do there is an opportunity cost and this is the price of the roads not taken. By definition we pay this price for everything we do even if we believe we do not. So don't fall into this post modernist trap of thinking you can arrange the pieces such that you don't have to pay any price at all. Don't sit around for that moment to arrive it ain't never going to. Otherwise you will end up the lonely fool in his fifties or sixties still waiting, still holding the space for that special thing to arrive.

Remember not choosing is also a choice and has its opportunity cost. So you must choose and you must pay the price of your choice, there is no choice not to. :wink: This is a limitation built into the human condition. So do so gallantly and joyfully, find your good woman in whichever corner of the world and don't look back.

BTW speaking of seeking power did you know that in roman times when the generals would return from a successful conquest they would be given a parade in front of the emperor. As the general was riding the chariot a slave stood behind him and held a laurel wreath around his head. When the general passed the emperor's sitting place the slave would whisper into the general's ear
'sic transit gloria mundi'
All glory is fleeting.
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Postby keius » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:25 am

Good article. I can see your points. BUT,
Why? Where else in the whole bloody world will a woman find the choices and opportunities that the US offers. Women do have a choice here. That's something ALOT of women don't have in other countries. The problem is that so many have chosen the wrong one. And that's the general stereotype of American women that we have on this forum.

As for hiding behind their gender....well, all i can say is that when a woman acts like a lady, i treat her like a lady. Women have that choice. To say that they don't have that choice is ludicrous. And a good woman won't be treated roughly if they don't go after the 'bad boys'. Good men really do appreciate a good woman. 'bad boys' looking to get laid don't.

Women can't have everything...neither can we men. We just make the best of what's offered to us....and if it's not there, we go searching elsewhere.

I do however, envy the unfair legal protections and rights that women have over men. I must agree with freeyourmind and wellinformed.
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Postby well-informed » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:20 am

@keuis your exactly correct with everything you said

The stock of an average russian or colombian or any other foreign girl INSTANTLY goes up the second she touches US soil. Her prospects have just better by the second. What became the norm in her country, is now the exception here in the US. Eventually she'll develop entitlements to her ego.

In terms of women from foreign countries; competition between each other breeds attractive women. Of course american women don't have to worry about staying fit for their husbands or have sex with them. The state and these unjust laws just feeds them rewards when she decides to end the marriage. When such things are spoon-fed to them it makes them lazy and fat BECAUSE THEY know the state has their back. Of course women will love the idea of marriage when its "a big safety net exclusively for them"

It's not a coincidence in this day of technology, there is not ONE mail-order bride site showing American Women. The demand isn't there
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Postby Woman'sview » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:40 pm

Winston wrote:Good points Woman's View. I think that regardless of how many advantages and benefits American women have in US culture and society, the fact that they seem angry and unhappy a lot deep down, says something, namely that they've lost something, perhaps their soul or humanity or whatever. Or their basic nature has been so thwarted that regardless of what they have, they are never happy, cause there is a fundamental imbalance in them that messes them up. That's my conjecture on it.


I agree, Winston. The new American woman, since the sixties, has become a model that the world has yet so understand. Each succeeding decade after has brought a different breed of woman, many women acting like men, some becoming monstrosities like Gloria Allred and Nancy Grace, to name a few.

They are neither woman nor men, but there is nothing in nature they can be compared to. Some still look like women, but the moment they open their mouth, you realize it is a different type of creature you talking to.

Not all American women are like that, but the gentle women do not garner much attention, so are often overlooked.

Because this problem is widespread, I sympathize with the American male. Who is he going to marry and is she going to be the mother of his children? Not all want to go overseas, not all can afford to go overseas. You guys are probably the first wave of guys awaking to the situation. Some will rebel, but many will probably suffer in silence.
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Postby Woman'sview » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:11 pm

Quote from ijohn

"My dear you seem like a genuine person but see what you are saying. You want a simpler society where everyone has a role that they conform to. But you also don't want conformity and want originality. How is that going to work?

This is the breakdown of the post modernist mind. We want the goodness of family and community but also all our preferences and space. We want 'till death do us part' but also have the option to leave if we are not feeling it. We want want the responsibility only when we feel like it, not otherwise.

It is too late. No use locking the stable door after the horse has bolted. You can't put the toothpaste back into the tube. You can't unscramble the eggs. You can't get back the day that just ended. It is over. What is done is done."

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ijohn, we want to be full expression of our true selves. In the U.S and Western society, we are fitted into molds to serve technology, which essentially differs from our true selves. So artist, writers and creative people are often suffocated just so that they can afford to live in this society. Corporations rule, and people are not allowed to express their true talents. Only few personality types are preferred in the U.S. The extrovert and the aggressive, the great athletes, and entertainers who cater to people's lower nature.

It will never have a great Shakespeare come out of the U.S. or anything refined, as a result of this bias.

No, ijohn, I'm talking about a society that allows all it's members to express themselves fully when coming to realizing one's talents.
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Postby Woman'sview » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:37 pm

keius wrote:Good article. I can see your points. BUT,
Why? Where else in the whole bloody world will a woman find the choices and opportunities that the US offers. Women do have a choice here. That's something ALOT of women don't have in other countries. The problem is that so many have chosen the wrong one. And that's the general stereotype of American women that we have on this forum.

As for hiding behind their gender....well, all i can say is that when a woman acts like a lady, i treat her like a lady. Women have that choice. To say that they don't have that choice is ludicrous. And a good woman won't be treated roughly if they don't go after the 'bad boys'. Good men really do appreciate a good woman. 'bad boys' looking to get laid don't.

Women can't have everything...neither can we men. We just make the best of what's offered to us....and if it's not there, we go searching elsewhere.

I do however, envy the unfair legal protections and rights that women have over men. I must agree with freeyourmind and wellinformed.


keius, I agree with you that American women have more opportunities than women in the rest of the world. But unfortunately, American women feel that they have to be like men in every way. This is fundamentally wrong. She denies her female aspects, and espouses male attributes. She will never make a good man, NEVER!

A woman's strength comes from grace, deference and tenderness, and to her husband - surrender. A woman can easily control a man by these feminine attributes. Nature has blessed her with this strength, which the American woman so seldom use.
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Explanation

Postby Woman'sview » Sat Jan 22, 2011 5:47 pm

Posted earlier by myself:

"We no longer can hide behind our gender as long ago we had that protection, most females in the rest of the non-western world are allowed to be women, we are not. Not all female desire to act like men, and it causes many of us great distress and dissonance."


What I meant by the above which I posted at the beginning of this thread, is that woman no longer is allowed her natural right to raise her children at home as she wishes, without having to explain her choice. This should not be. She is not allowed to be "mother". That is her natural right. She is not allowed to care for her family, without having to offer explanation. That right was taken from her.

A true woman wants to care of her children and her husband, without prompting. She wants to be home for them when they come home.

Feminism took away that natural right from women.

Only some women need to work outside the home, and a very small minority have any job out there that only they can fill. The rest really should be with their children who are growing up, and be there for their husbands. Women can work if they choose outside the home, when they have fulfilled that primary duty.
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