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Has Hitler been wrongly demonized and misportrayed?

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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Postby Winston » June 6th, 2015, 3:10 pm

Btw regarding that long documentary that Mr S posted, "Adolf Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told", I found a lot of inaccuracies, biases and false assumptions in it. So I posted this review of it on its IMDB page:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3526810/

"I watched about 80 percent of this long documentary series on YouTube before it was taken down. It was very interesting to hear the other side. But it's way too one-sided and biased and tries to portray Hitler as a saint who never did anything wrong. Yeah right. It also ignores a lot of important facts and distorts events too. That means it's definitely NOT an objective or unbiased search for the truth.

First, it assumes that Hitler was 100 percent honest and never lied. There is no basis for that assumption. It seems to have a personal bias and agenda to portray him as an innocent saint. It assumes that any excuse Hitler made to invade a country must be completely true and honest. For example, Hitler claimed that the German population at Danzig in Poland were being persecuted, as his excuse to invade Poland. All warmongers make excuses to invade or attack, but that doesn't make them true. Hitler could have used shills or agents to stir up trouble in Danzig, as US historians claim, to try to make Poland look like an oppressor.

Hitler also broke many peace treaties and invaded many nations in Europe which were neutral and never declared war on Germany - such as Belgium, Holland, Poland, Greece, etc. - without provocation. Yet this is all ignored and not justified or explained away. So how could Hitler be the innocent victim then, as this film portrays, when he was clearly the aggressor and invaded neutral nations? Am I missing something?

And if Hitler was so honest, then why did he break many promises to never invade those countries and violate many peace treaties he made, including the one with Stalin? Again, am I missing something?

Hitler did claim that the reason he invaded Russia was because they were going to invade him too. No one disputes that. But that's merely Hitler's claim and excuse to invade. There is no proof that it was true. Dennis Wise merely assumes that everything Hitler said must be automatically true by default. That's an unwarranted assumption. Many invading nations have used the "preemptive strike" excuse (including the US invasion of Iraq) but it doesn't make it true. Yet this documentary takes Hitler's words as fact and gospel truth without basis.

The maker of this documentary, Dennis Wise, obviously lacks any critical thinking skills and has an obvious bias and agenda. He is not a neutral objective truth seeker at all.

Moreover, this documentary is not professionally produced at all. It consists of old vintage stock footage from WWII and lots of scrolling text running on the screen without any professional narration (except those used in clips from other documentaries), only background music. Anyone could use a free program like Windows Movie Maker to create such a documentary. It involves no cost, only time. Furthermore, much of the scrolling text contains assertions and quotes that are not sourced or documented, so their authenticity is suspect. When it comes to text scrolling on the screen, anyone can write anything, it doesn't have to be accurate or sourced. So the credibility of this documentary is highly suspect.

That being said, I agree that it is also unfair and biased for Western media and history to portray Hitler as a cartoon villain or mythological devil rather than a complex historical figure. So I do agree that Western historians and media are too biased against Hitler and that we need to have an understanding of Hitler's side, including his reasons and motives and whether he was right about some things. Merely demonizing him does not help the world understand him at all.

However, that doesn't mean that we should adopt the extreme opposite view that Hitler was a saint who did no wrong, as Dennis Wise has. Neither extreme is accurate. This long documentary by Dennis Wise is way too one-sided and tries to portray Hitler as an innocent victim and refuses to acknowledge any of his wrongdoings or faults. So it is not fair or neutral at all. Still, I'll give it 5 stars though, for presenting a lot of data from Hitler's side that most people don't know, so it is somewhat informative at least, even if it's too biased in the other direction.

For a more balanced and fair assessment of Hitler, and of his good traits and bad traits, and his complex motivations and character, I suggest you read the book, "Hitler: Beyond Evil and Tyranny" by Professor Stolfi which you can find on Amazon.com."

What's funny is that almost all the reviews on IMDB rate it one star, but the front page lists its rating as 8 stars. How can that be?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3526810/reviews?ref_=tt_urv

You can see the whole documentary, all 27 parts, on this site that hosts it:

http://thegreateststorynevertold.tv/

It's still up on YouTube at the link below. But it keeps getting taken down and re-uploaded, so if it gets taken down again, just go to the link above.

"Adolf Hitler - The Greatest Story NEVER Told" Parts 1-27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnu5uW9No8g
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Postby droid » June 6th, 2015, 4:04 pm

OutWest wrote: If one suspends for a moment, any thought of the Jews, just the tens of thousands of Germans murdered by this man because they did not agree with him would kind of do it for
most rational folks. If every single account of the death of Jews was 100% false...the vast millions remain...Poles...Russians...handicapped...Gypsies...the all have their accounts of mass murder of their own...of course...all of these groups just made it all up and concocted a history for the events...


But you can't, that's like suspending thoughts on "force" when dealing with newtonian physics.
1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
2)Everybody is full of it. What's your hypocrisy?
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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Postby momopi » June 6th, 2015, 6:08 pm

Winston wrote:Momopi,
Can you shed light on this? I'm confused about something. The Neo-Nazi documentaries claim that during The Battle of Britain, Churchill was the one who first bombed civilian cities in Germany, which resulted in Hitler bombing London rather than just military targets. But American documentaries such as "Why We Fight" (produced by Frank Capra and the US Army) claim the reverse: That Hitler was the one who first started bombing London, which resulted in Churchill retaliating and bombing German civilian cities. What's the truth on this matter?
Also, why didn't the Allies declare war on Russia for invading Poland too? And why did the Allies let Stalin capture Eastern Europe after WWII? Why didn't they fight to liberate Eastern Europe from Stalin too?



1. The reality in early WW2 era is that bombers were very inaccurate. In 1941 the RAF reported statistically, only 22% of RAF bombers found its way within 5 miles to target, and when the target is heavily defended by AA guns, the rate drops to 7%. So if you sent 100 bombers and only 22 hit within 5 mile radius, where the did the other 78 drop their payload?

2. Even before the end of WW2 the so called "allies", which included the USSR, were busy planning to divvy up the spoils of war. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percentages_agreement

The fate of millions of people in Eastern Europe being drafted on a napkin between Churchill and Stalin. Such is the fate of being shrimp countries.

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3. None of this crap really matters today. Instead of wasting time talking about dead & buried people, you should be planning your next trip to chase pretty young girls that are actually breathing.
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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Postby Winston » June 8th, 2015, 11:47 pm

If anyone wants to understand Hitler, get this DVD:

http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Hitler/dp/B003AUTC0G/

Understanding Hitler

The question of Why is often asked when the name of Hitler is heard. People watch documentaries on television that show what he did and when but they never explain Why.

This new documentary explores Hitler's motivations and the needs of the people of Germany which catapulted Hitler to power. You can finally understand why the people of Germany would follow Hitler, not because they were forced to, but because they wanted to. You will also discover what drove hitler so passionately and why he truly believed he was saving the world.

This Special Edition Video(59 minutes) includes the full Understanding Hitler documentary plus five additional Nazi propaganda movies, an audio section explaining the history and impact of Mein Kampf and a sample reading from Mein Kampf. If you like documentaries about what Hitler did then you will truly enjoy this documentary which explains his motivation and drive in a way never before revealed.

This special edition also includes a second documentary(60 minutes) titled The Secret Life Of Hitler which contains the only known video footage of Hitler's sister, Paula. Other content includes original propaganda films and an explanation of Mein Kampf.
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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Postby Winston » June 24th, 2015, 1:14 pm

Some interesting books you should all check out that presents an alternate view of Hitler and the situation from his point of view.

http://www.amazon.com/Triumph-Reason-Thinking-Guide-Hitler/dp/190847677X/

The Triumph of Reason - The Thinking Man's Guide to Adolf Hitler

Adolf Hitler has undoubtedly received more publicity than any other world figure, dead or alive. His persona, that of his political colleagues, his political party; the rise and combined Capitalist/Communist destruction fall of the Third Reich, have led to the publication of - at the latest count - 120,000 different titles. Virtually all of them are the preposterous re-cycled one-sided propaganda of the victors. This absence of objectivity is equalled only by the difficulty of discovering first-hand what the German Leader actually said or thought. It is as if we sit in a court room in which the defendant, defence counsel and defence witnesses have been excluded. This publication provides a rare opportunity to examine the authentic first hand expressions uttered by the German leader, who won the hearts and minds of millions of Europeans.

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This book clearly sets forth the true historical background that ...

By John M on May 12, 2015
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This book clearly sets forth the true historical background that Germany had to deal with. As many should know by now, the historical narrative regarding WWI, and WWII is nothing more than blatant lies for the last 70 years.

In order to mask the horrific slaughter of the Christian Russian people, and the subsequent ruin of eastern Europe by Stalin's willing communist butchers, all the while SUPPORTED, as well as FINANCED by England, and the United States, the endless demonization of Germany continues un-abated.

This never ending train of Lies, and slander is present in every public school, college history courses, and so-called "Christian" churches.
This false narrative is simply part and parcel of brainwashing the public mind, in order to set the stage for the coming tyranny, aka, the New World Order.
Every person desiring to understand the world we live in today, must first understand the last 100 years of war upon war foisted off on a public as necessary to secure "Peace." This mantra is aptly described in Orwell's "1984", with the slogan "War is Peace."

The U.S. government is continuously wailing about one boogeyman after another, all as a pretext to invading sovereign nations, bringing utter ruin and death without end.

WWII was just a planned continuation to WWI. The entire process was carried out by network of powerful political leaders, military leaders, bankers, financiers, and media moguls, for years and years.

This book is just one of many well written historical analysis of what took place in the years of 1933 to 1947.

It is time for American men and women to "wake the Hell UP!"

John


http://www.amazon.com/The-Bad-War-Truth-Taught/dp/1507764995/

The Bad War: The Truth NEVER Taught About World War II

245 Pages / 500 Illustrations During the 75 years that have now passed since the end of the grand history-altering event known as World War II, only a single narrative of the great conflict has been heard. It is a story which the architects of the New World Order have implanted, no, POUNDED into the minds of three subsequent generations. Every medium of mass indoctrination has been harnessed to the task of training the obedient masses as to what the proper view of this event should be. Academia, news media, public education, book publishing, TV documentaries, Hollywood films, clergymen and politicians of every stripe all sing the same song. You know the familiar lyrics: “Led by Adolf Hitler; Germany, Italy and Japan tried to enslave the planet. The “good guys” of the “world community”, led by Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR) and Winston Churchill, banded together and stopped them. Literally, not a day seems to pass without some sort of media reference to this incomplete and simplistic narrative; a story which oh-so-conveniently ignores the previous decades of critical history leading up to World War II, omits vital information from the actual war years, and outright fabricates lie after lie after lie. Indeed, the “official story” amounts to a manufactured mendacity of such mountainous dimensions that the human mind will have a hard time processing the actual truth of the grand event, no matter how compelling the case may be. Isn’t it time you heard a different tune; at least for your consideration? Haven't you ever at least been curious as to what "the other side of the World War II story" was? If so, you ought to have a look at 'The Bad War', a heavily illustrated epic timeline that will transport you back to the mid 1800's; and then lead you on an exciting "you are there" journey right up through both World War I and World War II. Well-written, entertaining, and meticulously documented, 'The Bad War' is unique for its ability to condense so much real history into just 245 attention-riveting, illustration-rich pages. But do be forewarned. Your worldview may never be the same.

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Finally, an accurate account of the events of World War II

By Gary on February 14, 2015
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As I grew up and was taught about world events, specifically World War II, there were a number of points that just didn't hang together. I believed that I was being told the truth, but certain things just didn't add up. Now I know why! Many of the puzzles that I had for most of my life regarding historical events of the 20th century now make sense after reading Mike King's book.

Beware! The truth is what it is, and certain aspects of WWII are quite disturbing. We were supposed to be the "good guys", Hitler was supposed to be the "most evil person ever", but that's not how it really was. No wonder Gen George S. Patton said, "We fought on the wrong side!"
Learning the truth about events of then, will help you in understanding the events unfolding today.
"He who does not understand history is doomed to repeat it" (attributed to Edmund Burke)

The book is a fast read, no excess verbage to fluff it out. Certainly not dry and boring, it held my interest and was hard to put down.
Having done a fair amount of prior research on my own, this book brings it all together, and I can attest to its accuracy.

I HIGHLY recommend it as an antidote to the poison of lies and half truths we've been fed all our lives.

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After 70 years, we still have ALL-Lies…

By Spiritus Gladius on February 13, 2015
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For 70 years now, we have been bombarded with the false narrative that WWII was the ”just” war fought on the part of the allies, and that the good guys won. After reading Mr. King’s excellent book on the subject, you might think otherwise. As it turns out, it appears that the good guys don’t always win. What makes this book so convincing is its step by step methodical and well documented chronology of events that goes all the way back to the mid-19th century. Each event is thoroughly covered, and includes key dates, individuals, important quotations and descriptive illustrations. This book would be a perfect book for someone of any age, including school children, and it would be a welcome addition to counter the prevailing propaganda that is still taught to American children AND adults. Why is wartime propaganda still being taught 70 years after the war ENDED? That is the million dollar question. If you sincerely do your research, you will discover that the answer directly relates to events that are occurring today, and that is why WWII is still very important to understand, and is still relevant. This book is a great introduction to the subject and should be on every serious history student’s bookshelf.

More and more, authors are writing books like this, some call this historical revisionism, I simply call it the truth. The author shows great courage by writing this book, and it is really pathetic, given all the universities in this country, and all the thousands of teachers and professors in those universities, you can count on one hand the amount of historians that actually will write the truth about WWII. We live in an age where criminals rule our country and most of the west for that matter. They will continue with their lies, unjust wars, corruption and death until more people wake up to this fact. Books like “The Bad War”, can definitely help remedy this situation.
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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Postby Moretorque » June 24th, 2015, 2:34 pm

Thankyou Winston.
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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Postby Winston » November 27th, 2015, 3:50 am

Henry Makow's article about Hitler being a British or Illuminati agent.

http://www.henrymakow.com/001399.html

Was Hitler an Illuminati Agent?

Greg Hallett's book "Hitler Was A British Agent" depicts war as a ghoulish illusion conjured by occult magicians in order to degrade and eventually enslave humanity in world government.

Hallett's claim that Hitler was a "British" agent is based on the testimony of a shadowy network of retired intelligence agents. While he fails to provide documentary proof, Hallett does offer persuasive circumstantial evidence.

For example, Adolph Hitler was in England in 1912-1913, a fact supported by his sister-in-law's book: "The Memoirs of Bridget Hitler"(1979). Many historians including Hitler biographer John Toland have ignored this startling information. (If Hallett is right, historians like Toland are guilty of sanitizing Hitler and actually making him more credible than he was.)

Hallett says Hitler spent February to November 1912 being brainwashed and trained at the British Military Psych-Ops War School at Tavistock in Devon and in Ireland. "War machines need war and [that means they need] funded, trained and supported double agents to be their patsies, their puppets and their puppet enemies," Hallett writes (38).

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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Postby Winston » December 5th, 2015, 12:45 pm

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Finally, a book that brings justice and fairness to Hitler's side of WW2. A must read for any truth seeker and historian. The pictures of Hitler on the front cover of the book (above) sure make him look very kind and caring. Wow I never knew such positive photos of Hitler existed.

http://www.amazon.com/Mein-Side-Story-Addresses-Hitler/dp/1511696206/

Mein Side of the Story: Key World War 2 Addresses of Adolf Hitler

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Our system of justice grants 'prima facie' murderers, rapists and serial killers the opportunity to speak, does it not? Indeed, convicted killers like Charles Manson, David ‘Son of Sam’ Berkowitz, Richard Speck, Jeffrey Dahmer and others have done televised interviews. Even the erroneous and dangerous ranting of Karl Marx is taught, no, glorified, in American Universities.

So, what is so gosh-darn dangerous about merely presenting the opinion of Hitler’s Germany? If that opinion is as evil and as fallacious as it is said to be, then why not present the full story, and then logically refute it? Truth is its own defense, so what is there to fear about simply hearing “the other side”? Do we really believe in “free speech” and “academic freedom” or do we not? Are we like retarded little children that need to be shielded from mere words? Or is somebody hiding something? Hmmm?

In the purportedly American belief that no one has the right to deprive you of access to information, the purpose of putting together 'Mein Side of the Story' is merely to present Germany’s version of the events in regard to the great catastrophic bloodbath known as World War II. This is Hitler’s side of the story, revealed in his own spoken and written words. Only the brief ‘Mein Side’ blurbs and captioned illustrations have been added. A pair of wartime addresses by German Foreign Minister von Ribbentrop and one from Japanese Emperor Hirohito are also included.

The speeches and writings are all 100% authentic. Some have been slightly abridged in order to avoid redundancy and to keep the booklet to a brief length. Modern “court historians” and journalists do not deny the content of these addresses. They can’t. Instead, they simply ignore them, childishly denouncing anyone who does attempt to resurrect them as “Nazi”, or “anti-Semitic”.

The common theme that runs throughout these addresses is that Germany, and also Japan, believed that World War II was imposed upon them. You don’t have to agree with that assessment. You don’t have to like it. In fact, you can even laugh at it. But it is their point-of-view, or at least, their stated point-of-view. It is a position that, until now, you have not been permitted to even hear. Indeed, it is only via the miracle of the Internet that these documents have again become accessible to those willing to snoop around and dig them up from the memory hole of buried history.

Do with these words as you will. Just don’t shoot your humble messenger for putting these highly interesting addresses together for your consideration.
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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Postby Adama » December 5th, 2015, 8:03 pm

I think Hitler really loved the people, and they truly loved him. Unfortunately for the German soldiers of that generation, they adored him so much that they believed that he (Hitler) was their savior, rather than Jesus Christ. A cult of personality was built up around Hitler, and those people truly did love him. That is why Nationalist Socialism had to be completely and utterly destroyed. That is the only political party which has been absolutely decimated by the conquerors in modern history. Every other belief has been allowed to remain even after the victors have won. However, with Naionlist Socialism, it had to be completely eradicated. That's how dedicated the Germans were. Otherwise they feared Germany would rise again on its own.
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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Postby fschmidt » December 5th, 2015, 8:15 pm

Winston, do you have any productive interests?
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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Postby Winston » December 7th, 2015, 7:46 pm

fschmidt wrote:Winston, do you have any productive interests?


Sometimes. However:

1) Truth is more important than productivity.
2) Productivity is what the elite want you to be, so you can be useful to the economic enslavement system.
3) If you had a philosopher's soul, you'd know that truth and knowledge for the sake of it are a worthy goal in and of itself.
4) The truth about history is important, I'd argue, because if we find out that we had been lied about a historical event or person, even such as Hitler, then it should be exposed so that the elite can't get away with lying again. If people stop blindly believing authority on faith, they will be skeptical and ask questions and seek evidence, because truth is based on evidence, not authority. As a result, the elite can't deceive them. They cannot start unnecessary wars based on lies again and as a result have tons of unnecessary people die in them, like the 60,000 American casualties in Vietnam.

Do you see the big picture now? Why are you guys so narrow minded?
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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Postby fschmidt » December 7th, 2015, 8:45 pm

So should my dogs spend their time seeking truth or watching for intruders and barking at them? The average person is not significantly brighter than my dogs, so why should the answer be different for them? The average person is capable of working in a factory, but not finding truth.

The road to hell is paved by morons seeking truth. In a stable sane society, morons just accept traditions that worked for their ancestors.
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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Postby OutWest » December 8th, 2015, 1:32 am

fschmidt wrote:So should my dogs spend their time seeking truth or watching for intruders and barking at them? The average person is not significantly brighter than my dogs, so why should the answer be different for them? The average person is capable of working in a factory, but not finding truth.

The road to hell is paved by morons seeking truth. In a stable sane society, morons just accept traditions that worked for their ancestors.


+1...and you are being nice about it. Even the biggest of fools will claim to be a truth seeker. Events prove the wise. The fool spends his time trying to convince others how clever he is....
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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Postby Winston » December 13th, 2015, 7:25 pm

fschmidt wrote:So should my dogs spend their time seeking truth or watching for intruders and barking at them? The average person is not significantly brighter than my dogs, so why should the answer be different for them? The average person is capable of working in a factory, but not finding truth.

The road to hell is paved by morons seeking truth. In a stable sane society, morons just accept traditions that worked for their ancestors.


So are you saying that it's better to be a dumb ignorant conformist who just follows tradition than a truth seeker? Do you not mind living in falsehoods and lies? Why is there no passion in your heart for truth? I guess it's true that truth isn't necessary for most people to function in society. All you need after all, is food, shelter, money, love, and a religion or something to believe in or worship. But where is your curiosity? Don't you wonder about the mysteries of the universe or who and what is running the world? And what the secrets of Freemasonry and the Illuminati are? Don't you care if you've been lied to? Don't you care if history is a lie or your beliefs aren't really true? Come on.

Btw, don't these images of Hitler melt your heart? Doesn't he look so kind, caring and compassionate?

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Re: Has Hitler been overly demonized beyond what he deserves

Postby fschmidt » December 13th, 2015, 8:45 pm

Winston wrote:So are you saying that it's better to be a dumb ignorant conformist who just follows tradition than a truth seeker?

For most people, yes. Tradition is likely to be closer to truth than the conclusions of an individual who is stupid or ignorant. If you want to seek truth as an individual, you must make sure that you have adequate intelligence and knowledge first.

I would say that the minimum intelligence should be the Mensa standard of being in the upper 2%. Intelligence is not static, it can be raised. Physical exercise is the first requirement, to make your mind active enough. Then comes mental exercise like math, chess, or Go.

Once one has adequate intelligence, one should start gaining knowledge. One should know math through calculus. Then study the sciences: physics, chemistry, and biology. And then comes history which can only be learned from primary sources. Secondary sources, like those you linked to in this thread, are worthless. After learning history, one is ready to start studying religion which is the last thing one should study.

All this is a lot of work, and isn't necessary for most people. Most people should simply pick an existing tradition and follow that.
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