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Do most people secretly admire Adolf Hitler?

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Do you secretly admire Adolf Hitler? Be honest, your vote will be anonymous.

Yes, I do. He was an admirable and amazing leader who brought his country out of ruin into great strength and prosperity, even if he was misguided.
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No, I don't and never have. He was an evil tyrant who spread racist hatred and massacred many innocent Jews and people.
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Post by Winston » September 19th, 2014, 9:57 am

OutWest wrote:
fightforlove wrote:Hitler was brilliant on domestic issues, at restoring strength to Germany and taking care of his people, I love his "creators of culture" rhetoric; but he was ultimately a disaster as a military leader. His moves to take over Austria, Czech and even Poland worked; he could have even stopped after invading France and the low countries and enjoyed his spoils, but then his gigantic head began to get in the way. Failing to destroy the RAF or bomb Britain into submission was one thing, but his decision to invade Russia was ludicrous. His Generals knew better and tried to warn him. The only factor that could have changed that outcome is if Japan had also gone to war against Russia. Like Napolean, Alexander, et al, Hitler's zeal that got him to the top was exactly what also inevitably lead to his downfall.
A man who led Germany to utter ruin was good at caring for his own people? A man who murdered tens of thousands of Germans because they disagreed with him was good at caring for his own people?
All the greatest monarchs in history had to purge their empire by getting rid of threats and undesirables. If you aren't willing to do that, you can't rule with efficiency. All monarchs have known this. Even the greatest Caesars had to purge their empire sometimes.

Look at it this way. If you had to purge your body of harmful bacteria, germs and toxins, to make your body better, stronger and healthier, would you do it? Most likely yes. That's how rulers think. They see their country like their own body and soul, and want to do what's best for it. Try to see it from that perspective. They see the big picture, we don't.

Some would argue that the Allies caused Germany's ruin because they refused to accept Hitler's plea for peace. For example, Winston Churchill refused Hitler's plea for peace. He was adamant on war with Germany. You gotta wonder why. Probably because Germany was a threat to the hegemony of the British Empire and to the international banking cartel?

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Luc Furr wrote:Do people secretly admire Hitler? Perhaps.

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Guess it is like Jack said, we can't handle the truth.
Yes well another reason why people are fascinated with Hitler is because he is the personification of evil according to the Western media and history. And since we all have an evil side, we are fascinated by it since we are not allowed to delve into it too much or act out our "evil impulses". Thus we become fascinated by anything that personifies evil. That's a deep psychological reason.
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Post by MrPeabody » September 19th, 2014, 2:26 pm

Personifying Hitler as evil is a foil whose purpose is to divert attention away from the evils of the Anglo-American empire. Every atrocity charged to the Nazis can be matched by equal atrocities committed by the British Empire. Except for some rare exceptions, Germany never became a colonizing empire. But the British Empire colonized countries around the world, extracting their wealth and oppressing the native people. They set India back hundreds of years. Discussing whether Hitler cared for his people is hilarious. Do CEOs care when they lay off the workers who built their company at the drop of a hat?

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Post by OutWest » September 19th, 2014, 4:30 pm

MrPeabody wrote:Personifying Hitler as evil is a foil whose purpose is to divert attention away from the evils of the Anglo-American empire. Every atrocity charged to the Nazis can be matched by equal atrocities committed by the British Empire. Except for some rare exceptions, Germany never became a colonizing empire. But the British Empire colonized countries around the world, extracting their wealth and oppressing the native people. They set India back hundreds of years. Discussing whether Hitler cared for his people is hilarious. Do CEOs care when they lay off the workers who built their company at the drop of a hat?
By the time Germany existed as a united power, the age of colonies was already coming to an end, so to make a moral point about the absence of colonies is silly. It's true that some CEO's could care less if they lay off workers, regular scrooges they are, but most do not put the laid off workers in camps to be murdered.
However, you are right about some of the evil things committed by Britain and the USA. One good example would be the forced repatriation of millions of Eastern Europeans back to Soviet controlled areas, where they were worked to death in slave labor camps. This atrocity to which the USA and Britain agreed, likely killed as many people as Hitler did in his camps, and yet it is almost absent in US history books, though it is well documented- see Operation Keelhaul, and numbers of others.
Since it does not fit the narrative of Western righteousness, it gets ignored. These people were forced on rail cars, often having to be beaten to force them on board, and like Hitlers death camp trains, these people were sent to their death.
Some think US General Patton was murdered because he was not going to go along with the program. Never the less, it is blood on the hands of the US and Britain.

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Post by MrPeabody » September 19th, 2014, 4:59 pm

It's true, Germany didn't become unified until 1871 but by then the only land left was in Africa. But the fact remains that even the Netherlands had more colonies than Germany. The Anglo world are geniuses at propaganda and making themselves look righteous. Most people don't have a clue what happened in World War II and get 100 percent of their information from Hollywood movies. It's interesting that the two most popular villains in Hollywood have been the Germans and the Indians. So the Indians were depicted as savages scalping and massacring innocent people. The Germans were similarly depicted as savages, going back to World War I and the evil Hun. So, then if you believe Germans did evil, you also have to believe the Indians were evil and the English were just the innocent civilizers.

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Post by OutWest » September 19th, 2014, 5:12 pm

MrPeabody wrote:It's true, Germany didn't become unified until 1871 but by then the only land left was in Africa. But the fact remains that even the Netherlands had more colonies than Germany. The Anglo world are geniuses at propaganda and making themselves look righteous. Most people don't have a clue what happened in World War II and get 100 percent of their information from Hollywood movies. It's interesting that the two most popular villains in Hollywood have been the Germans and the Indians. So the Indians were depicted as savages scalping and massacring innocent people. The Germans were similarly depicted as savages, going back to World War I and the evil Hun. So, then if you believe Germans did evil, you also have to believe the Indians were evil and the English are just the innocent civilizers.
The Netherlands was a colonizing and seafaring power back into the 1500s and before, so they had centuries to colonize. Germany in fact did attempt to colonize within Africa, but they were very late to the game. Of course the Nazis did evil. The fact that one knows this, does not make the Brits or the US innocent. In fact, in some cases the Brits and Americans participated in similar things.
Across Europe however, the population in occupied Europe did not rise up to resist the returning US and British forces during WWII. Not all Germans were Nazis. To portray the Nazis as the "good Germans" is absurd. They brought death and terror wherever they went, both in occupied parts of the East as well as Western Europe. They also brought death and terror to any Germans that dared to oppose them.

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Post by MrPeabody » September 19th, 2014, 5:48 pm

But the British Empire created all these extreme groups that take over other countries. The Nazis rose to power on the energy created by the injustice of the Versailles Treaty which was punitive at the insistence of England (The US under Wilson actually wanted to be more constructive). And it was British bureaucrats from London who drew the map of the Middle East after World War I even though none of them had ever been there. It was the British Empire that put the Wahabees, the most extreme group of Islam in charge of Saudi Arabia. It was the British Empire that got the CIA to assassinate a moderate Iranian leader because he nationalized a British Oil Company. The Islamic world would be controlled by moderates if it wasn't for the British Empire. They put extremists in charge of other countries and then wash their hands and say "We are the innocent civilizers". Like I said - the Anglo world are geniuses at propaganda.

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Post by droid » September 21st, 2014, 10:49 pm

MrPeabody wrote:Most people don't have a clue what happened in World War II and get 100 percent of their information from Hollywood movies.
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Post by Moretorque » September 23rd, 2014, 12:56 am

MrPeabody wrote:But the British Empire created all these extreme groups that take over other countries. The Nazis rose to power on the energy created by the injustice of the Versailles Treaty which was punitive at the insistence of England (The US under Wilson actually wanted to be more constructive). And it was British bureaucrats from London who drew the map of the Middle East after World War I even though none of them had ever been there. It was the British Empire that put the Wahabees, the most extreme group of Islam in charge of Saudi Arabia. It was the British Empire that got the CIA to assassinate a moderate Iranian leader because he nationalized a British Oil Company. The Islamic world would be controlled by moderates if it wasn't for the British Empire. They put extremists in charge of other countries and then wash their hands and say "We are the innocent civilizers". Like I said - the Anglo world are geniuses at propaganda.
Mr.Peabody you are so smart but you certainly are no pet of the British Empire. You better be real careful what you are saying about England because America is their Pit Bull and it could be Kevorkian Mutt Hutt time if your not careful.
I bet he has all kinds of torturous devices at the Hut to handle trouble making K-9's.

In any event Mr. Peabody you need to realize socialism communism was created by the British Empire and it's real goal is to create a 2 class society of elite at top who forces their dictatorship upon use unhindered by the obstacle of a middle class world wide so they can rule the lower classes forever.

I have no idea why you would promote communism, have you seen how poor those dictatorships are and what they eat for dinner? There main course in a lot of communist countries is Dog Stew!
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Post by Winston » December 10th, 2014, 1:56 pm

Check out this documentary called "Blood Sacrifice: Occult Secrets of Adolf Hitler". It really rocks and talks about the extremist philosophies and religion of the Nazis and their agenda.



What's interesting is that there seems to be more documentaries about Hitler on YouTube, both professional and amateur ones, than on any other historic figure, except maybe Jesus. So Hitler and Jesus are at the top in history when it comes to documentaries and videos. Crazy huh? What do you think that means?

If Hitler is considered by Westerners to be the most evil person in history, then why are there more documentaries about him than about anyone else, except for maybe Jesus?
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Post by Wolfeye » December 10th, 2014, 11:46 pm

I think sometimes people fixate on things they don't like as much as on things they DO like. It can be that sometimes it's not the entertainment value of the situation as the reason for paying attention to it- it's the SEVERITY of it. There's also lots of mystery around WW II- it's a major point in history & you really don't learn much of anything about it, at least in public schools in America. The whole history of WW II basically amounts to the Holocaust, a reference to Pearl Harbor & the atomic bomb, and a slight reference to a few countries getting slammed (France, Poland, and Britain- usually in that order of highest to lowest amount of reference). There's a lot of demonizing of Germany, but not of others that pulled the same kind of shit.

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Post by Jester » December 12th, 2014, 8:10 am

I think that's pretty much it, Wolfeye.

Hitler was a politician who did some undeniably wrong things - signing the past with Stalin was clearly a point of departure from any legitimate moral stance against Bolshevism.

And before that he had departed from legality with the murders of of the S.A. leadership.

And invading Poland once the British had given a war ultimatum seems to have been a blunder.

Yet he killed far fewer civilians than did Churchill, and German troops, unlike Russians and Americans, did not commit allow mass rapes by large numbers of troops.

So all in all I think he was an "ordinary great man", with warts and virtues too, on a plane with FDR or Churchill, though less of a warmongering sneak than either of those.

There is an account of him that surfaced recently by a traveling artist who met him in his hidden exile in Bariloche, Argentina, where Hitler worked as an art dealer into the 1960's. He examined the fellow's art, and enjoyed conversation with a fellow artist.

Does this mean that Hitler didn't kill easily? No. FDR allowed Pearl Harbor to go forward, Churchill deliberately firebombed civilian rescue workers, but both FDR and Churchill were often charming guys.

That's the caliber of character I am comparing Hitler to.

What was he doing waiting in Argentina? Why did he "run"? He ran specifically to AVOID having Germany mount the "Werewolf" resistance campaign, or a "German National Redoubt" defense in Bavaria, which he felt might lead to decades long struggle, and the end of Germany. He pulled out when the war was lost, to AVOID a last stand. And to await a possible comeback, like Napoleon. Which could easily have happened if Anglo-American de-nazification had not been so thorough. (East German riots in 1953, Hungary uprising 1956, etc.)

Goering probably volunteered to lead the Western Allies in, hoping to survive or even play a role in a new government. Hitler probably acquiesced in this, calculating that the Anglo-Americans would want an intact Germany to act as a buffer against Stalin.

He proved to be right.
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Post by Wolfeye » December 12th, 2014, 11:00 pm

Didn't know that about Churchill, kind of suspected that about FDR. As for the rapes, there WERE brothels that people got forced into (there was a story about there being a massive escape or escape attempt in Norway- it seems that they were mostly Polish & Russian, but I've got to presume there were also Norwegians & others). As I understand, the Nazis didn't generally rape because they found violation repellant (obviously, given what they'd do in experiments- they didn't just check for gold in people's teeth, either), but that they were tainting themselves & their bloodline by doing things of that physiological composition with lesser people.

In truth, Hitler wasn't the whole show. He had advisors & he certainly didn't DO every action, himself. It's odd that the Anglo-American de-nazification you mention seems to have been so strong then, given how things are going in America & some of the Anglo countries today. There's a lot more passive-aggressiveness, though.

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Post by xiongmao » December 14th, 2014, 10:15 pm

Hitler has the same Myers-Briggs personality as me, which I find interesting.

The Germans did some bad stuff, but the Russians were worse - like shooting at my grandfather AFTER the war had supposedly finished.

America seems bent on getting rid of dictators (Libya, Iraq, Syria) but the alternative of chaos seems to be worse. I expect this to be a big theme in the next decade.
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Post by Winston » December 14th, 2014, 11:33 pm

There is something unusual about Hitler. Have you noticed that? He was no ordinary man. His eyes in photos and videos of him are filled with extreme hatred and power on a level that is unnatural and inhuman. I think the Christians are right when they say that he was possessed by something otherworldly.

See these photos of Hitler below to see what I mean.

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Wow look at the order and discipline that he instilled into his troops.

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And look how cute Hitler looked as a toddler. lol

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Saturday Night Fuhrer. lol

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Post by Winston » December 14th, 2014, 11:47 pm

Here is an interesting documentary about where Hitler got his beliefs and ideas from. It's about Atlantis and the Hollow Earth, but there's a long section in it about Hitler and the occult writers and secret societies that influenced him.



Apparently, after the destruction of Atlantis, the Earth moved from the 4th dimension into the 3rd dimension of duality and separateness, where everything became split into a polarity of opposites. That's how conflict and suffering began. Even the elite priesthood from Atlantis called the "Brotherhood of the Snake" was split into two groups, each of which considered the other group as the "dark brotherhood". One group was the Illuminati and the other was the Luminara. The Illuminati worshipped the Sun, which is why you have the Sun symbol in all religions today, especially Christianity, in which the "Son" is worshipped on Sun-Day. And the Luminara worshipped the moon.

Hitler was part of the Thule Society, which was part of the Luminara side, whereas Winston Churchill and FDR were Freemasons and thus part of the Illuminati side. So WWII was essentially a battle of the two brotherhoods that descended from the Brotherhood of the Snake from Atlantis.

Hitler read the ancient literature from the Thule Society and books by 19th Century German occult writers, which legendized an ancient Aryan race of blonde haired, blue eyed people. They predicted a messiah and savior would come. So Hitler wanted to be that messiah of the German Aryan race, to wipe out the evil of the Illuminati and Freemasons, and establish a 1000 year Reich. He saw himself as a savior that would purse the world of evil. So he always thought that he was the good guy.

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