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Why does America hate Communism so much?

Post by Winston » November 3rd, 2013, 4:47 pm

Why has America historically hated Communism so much and vilified it to such extreme? It can't be just that it's bad for people. There must be an ulterior motive behind it.

Is it because Communism is a threat to the elite? If so, why? Wouldn't the elite also be rulers behind a Communist government as well? There are rulers and elites behind both Communism and Capitalism, so what's the difference? lol

Or is it all about free enterprise and monopolies?

If you read Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto, you will find that he was right about a lot of things, especially about the type of capitalism that was going on in the 1800's. Even if some of his ideas were wrong, that doesn't make his ideas "evil". Yet America tries to portray Communism as "evil" for some reason. Why?

What's funny is that both Communism and Capitalism claims to "free and liberate people" and give them more power. Even Hitler claimed to free and liberate his people. Even Churches claim to "free and liberate" you from sin so that you can obey their religion and serve it. lol

It's funny how such words like "free and liberate" can be used by everyone to suit their purpose, as if they were all for the same thing. lol. Words are very subjective it seems.
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Re: Why does America hate Communism so much?

Post by nicho12 » November 3rd, 2013, 5:18 pm

Winston wrote:Why has America historically hated Communism so much and vilified it to such extreme? It can't be just that it's bad for people. There must be an ulterior motive behind it.

Is it because Communism is a threat to the elite? If so, why? Wouldn't the elite also be rulers behind a Communist government as well? There are rulers and elites behind both Communism and Capitalism, so what's the difference? lol

Or is it all about free enterprise and monopolies?

If you read Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto, you will find that he was right about a lot of things, especially about the type of capitalism that was going on in the 1800's. Even if some of his ideas were wrong, that doesn't make his ideas "evil". Yet America tries to portray Communism as "evil" for some reason. Why?

What's funny is that both Communism and Capitalism claims to "free and liberate people" and give them more power. Even Hitler claimed to free and liberate his people. Even Churches claim to "free and liberate" you from sin so that you can obey their religion and serve it. lol

It's funny how such words like "free and liberate" can be used by everyone to suit their purpose, as if they were all for the same thing. lol. Words are very subjective it seems.
The reason communism is evil is because it preaches Egalitarianism, it denies the differences between individuals and among races, come to think of it, Communism preaches that everyone is the same whether men or women black or white or Asian or Hispanic. That is the same ideology that is currently destroying America and the west in general but it's being masked under other names like "liberalism" or "Socialism" but the basic ideas are the same. Another underlying evil about communism is that we all should work for the betterment of the state like bees in a Hive, and not for our selves, so basically everyone gets paid the same amount of money regardless of his skill and ability, a rocket scientist will earn the same as a cab driver though he spent decades in school trying to build and perfect his skill and driving cab doesn't require much skill. The end result is that output falls in the society, you have less people or no one at all striving to become a doctor or a scientist because there's no reward in spending most of your life trying to become a doctor when you're going to be paid or rewarded the same as a cab driver who didn't go to school but spent his time pot smoking and banging hot chicks. So you have less engineers, doctors, physicists, or even teachers. the society becomes weak and can easily be overthrown by a stronger one or it gradually dies and sinks out of sight.

One the other hand, extreme capitalism like the one in the United States is also not good because it creates extreme individualism among the population to the extent that no one even knows their neighbor because they're busy making money and trying to get ahead. It becomes a dog eats dog situation. Everything becomes commercialized including women's beauty and bodies, people become alienated, less friendly, paranoid like the situation in the United States today and it also leads to the shaking off of responsibility for the community, eventually the society becomes so psychologically stressed and breaks apart.

So both extreme individualism(extreme capitalism) and extreme collectivism(communism) are bad for society, and that's why Hitler was against both ideologies, he was against extreme capitalism and also against communism. He was in the middle ground, he wanted to create a society were people were free to be industrious, creative and work for themselves but at the sames time create bonding among the people whether rich or poor whereby the rich would give back to the society in anyway they wanted but without being forced to. That kind of society would only be ideal, if the society is homogeneous, men and women serving their natural roles, and the mass media promoting good cultural messages like the importance of family, hard work, loving your neighbor, art, good music not the current HipHop/mainstream trash we have nowadays. The kind of culture that existed 60 or more years ago in the west. That is the kind of society Hitler wanted (A healthy homogeneous society)

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Post by Winston » November 3rd, 2013, 5:25 pm

I see. But I don't think that Karl Marx advocated such an extreme form of Communism did he? At least not in his book.

Today China is not purely Communistic either right? It's a blend of socialism and capitalism, and still trying to find a balance between the two. Same with Russia probably.
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Re: Why does America hate Communism so much?

Post by Teal Lantern » November 3rd, 2013, 5:39 pm

Winston wrote:Why has America historically hated Communism so much and vilified it to such extreme? It can't be just that it's bad for people. There must be an ulterior motive behind it.

Is it because Communism is a threat to the elite? If so, why? Wouldn't the elite also be rulers behind a Communist government as well? There are rulers and elites behind both Communism and Capitalism, so what's the difference? lol
Someone will remember the quote about getting people to back a cause if presented with a credible outside threat.
"Communism" served that purpose.
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Post by ladislav » November 3rd, 2013, 5:43 pm

America only hates the Communism which threatens its money.

Back when Communism started it threatened the monopoly that the rich had on power in the US- the Rockefellers, etc. So they started with the propaganda campaign.

The Czars hated them too, but they were overthrown. Then, Soviet Russia kicked all the American companies out and then everywhere they went, they did the same with American/Western companies.

Even though Russia is no longer communist, it's still very xenophobic and anti-American regulation wise and they just don't like Americans ordering people around in their country. They also don't like investing in the USA.

Hence movies about evil Russians and anti-Russian sentiment thrive in the US/the West. Russia- Communism is a connection deeply embedded in American minds.

At the same time, American pols. and big businesses like having enemies so that they could continue producing weapons or offer themselves as a solution. So, they fan the hatred of communism/Russia to get cushy contracts with the gov't. And I think THAT is the biggest reason why US hates Communism- it is used as a bogey man to scare the public into voting for this or that policy/politician.

China is still Communist politically, but it invests in the US and allows US companies in the country. So, you never hear Chinese being called Commies ( even though China is communist) but the Russians are still Commies.
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Post by HouseMD » November 3rd, 2013, 5:54 pm

Communism does not provide rewards that are based upon merit. America is a meritocracy (to some extent) in which people believe they can strive to be something greater if they so choose. Thus Communism is our ultimate ideological foe, for it preaches that all are the same, that doctors and janitors should earn equal pay for equal time, that all your hard work will still leave you no better off than anyone else. Americans believe themselves to be exceptional, with or without merit, so a culture that believes no one to be exceptional is essentially a philosophical abomination in our eyes.

To believe all people deserve equal treatment and protection is one thing. But people are not, in fact, equal in ability nor intellect, and should be compensated in a manner that is just for their contribution to society. American capitalism certainly has not found the appropriate balance, but it is far better than Communism's horrid ideal of taking from each according to his ability and giving to each according to his needs. Great system for the weak, but it is slavery for the gifted and talented.

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Post by ladislav » November 3rd, 2013, 6:00 pm

By some strange quirk, teachers in America earn less than plumbers and other blue collar people and the teaching profession attracts rejects and losers. How this happened is a mystery to me.

In any other normal capitalist country, teachers earn way more than blue collar workers and have a way higher status.

Interestingly enough, the old USSR was a meritocracy in many ways as they never achieved communism. They basically got stuck in a corrupt State Socialism. While salaries for common workers were low, the government gave perks to those who tried harder.

If you were a good poet or artist, you would also have great respect and a good government job.

All you had to do was to go to the right schools and work your way into bureaucratic classes where you'd be given bigger apartments, free cars with drivers, "dachas", etc. If you go to this or that university and graduate from there, it guaranteed work at some big state enterprise with huge benefits, free trips abroad, etc.

But even common workers could make good money if they volunteered for work in Siberia/the Far East.

It also had a similar ( albeit not the same) racial system to the US with blond Slavic/Scandinavian looking people on top and darker skinned Turkic/Asiatic people at the bottom. There was also affirmative action and token "wogs" in the government such as Stalin- they let a "wog" run the country to show how international and non racist they were.

No more, though. They now allow only ethnically pure Russians at the top- look at Putin and Medvedev.

One the other hand, extreme capitalism like the one in the United States is also not good because it creates extreme individualism among the population to the extent that no one even knows their neighbor because they're busy making money and trying to get ahead. It becomes a dog eats dog situation. Everything becomes commercialized including women's beauty and bodies, people become alienated, less friendly, paranoid like the situation in the United States today and it also leads to the shaking off of responsibility for the community, eventually the society becomes so psychologically stressed and breaks apart.
But Latin American and SE Asian countries are even more capitalist than the US. Take the Philippines for one. Pure capitalism but an incredible sense of closeness and community with everyone knowing their neighbors and friendship being for life. The same in countries like Guatemala, etc. I think it's just the Anglo Saxon individualism which was inherited from Britain.
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Post by nicho12 » November 3rd, 2013, 6:18 pm

Winston wrote:I see. But I don't think that Karl Marx advocated such an extreme form of Communism did he? At least not in his book.

Today China is not purely Communistic either right? It's a blend of socialism and capitalism, and still trying to find a balance between the two. Same with Russia probably.
But you have to keep in mind that Karl Max was a Jew and anything that a Jews preaches to the world, whether it's extreme Collectivism(Communism) or extreme individualism(Capitalism in the west today) is intended to do harm to the society. Karl max wanted to break down the structure of the society so that Jews would take over. even in the protocols of the learned elders of zion, the Jews say that majority of the people in society are lame brain dead idiots who can not see that nature herself has created inequality of minds so that society can function well,without this inequality of minds, the masses would descend into savagery, we will use communism to whip up the idiotic masses by telling them that they are equal to their aristocratic counterparts, this anger in the general masses will cause them to attack and kill the elites and aristocrats who are the real threat to our power.

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Post by ladislav » November 3rd, 2013, 6:39 pm

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Winston wrote:I see. But I don't think that Karl Marx advocated such an extreme form of Communism did he? At least not in his book.

Today China is not purely Communistic either right? It's a blend of socialism and capitalism, and still trying to find a balance between the two. Same with Russia probably.
But you have to keep in mind that Karl Max was a Jew....
His father converted the whole family to Christianity. That is the highest act of treason and the Jews kick people out for it. Yes, he continued being of Hebrew blood but no baptized person would be accepted by Jews for any of their plans. He becomes an anathema and a freak. Not a member of the Community.

The "protocol" was a fake and a simple remade copy of some document by Machiavelli. There was no meeting of any kind of any elders of Zion recorded anywhere and no original protocol ever found.
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Post by C.J. » November 3rd, 2013, 7:01 pm

I saw that document almost 10 years ago. Kind of funny, how that document outlines what has already happened and will happen in the future. Also, take a look at how it's all being described as "a hoax". A lot of things that are true in history are also being described in such a manner. It's a common tactic in rewriting history.

But one who isn't an idiot may wonder, how can a hoax be the solid mechanical, archonistic reality of so many of the world's citizens? The Zohar also implies such plans too, which is why I find it funny.

I read about communism and capitalism in my business courses. It led me to read more about such societies. There's little benefit to capitalism beyond the top brass, which is why I love me some communism. Socialism is pretty cool to read about too. :)

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Post by HouseMD » November 3rd, 2013, 7:16 pm

It is described as a hoax because it is one. It was based on every stereotype of the Jews and designed to make them hated. It has done these things very well. It is conspiracy theorist fanfic, the sort of shit that will always be easy to sell because of paranoid people like yourself. Spending time on this site has really made me consider publishing a book of absolute bullshit to sell conspiracy nuts. Between selling that and "alternative treatments THEY don't want you to know about" that I completely made up, I would make far more than I would as a physician. And I wouldn't even have to feel bad about it, because I have tried selling logic and science to crazies and they simply will never change their minds, no matter how compelling the evidence is, so I'll just sell them what the f**k they want- a pile of bullshit that makes them feel like they are "beating the man".

And once I've made my money, I'll come clean. And you know what will happen? They still won't believe me! They'll think TPTB got to me, and keep on buying bullshit I made up despite my very admission that I made it up. I used to be angry when I saw some alternative med quack shilling their shit to the masses, but now I see it as justice, a deserved punishment for those fools that fail at basic logic.

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Post by C.J. » November 3rd, 2013, 7:25 pm

Go ahead and do that. Might as well take advanatge of the sheeple, right?

If you guys only knew what was really going on in this world, you'd be questioning what you little you knew. Many would contemplate suicide. That's how confusing life can really be, once you sort of walk out of the rat maze.

Reasoning and scientific deduction will only get you so far. Yeah, the new-agers are getting trapped by their sheepish stupidity, but since THEY don't know, and YOU yourself don't know anything either(how to fix them or fix yourself), both sides are trapped in different ways. None of you are of any use to each other, and you BOTH become useless. Because you ARE useless. No one ascends.

When it comes to conspiracy folks, they can be quite gullible. But at least they TRY to expand their minds. Unfortunately, their masters already know how they think, so they get trapped in their quest for knowledge in a forest of sorts. Only a few folks(1 in 100 million) will actually see the forest for the trees and get out of that trap. But then what? In order to see clearly after, you actually have to open your mind a bit.

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Post by nicho12 » November 3rd, 2013, 7:51 pm

HouseMD wrote:It is described as a hoax because it is one. It was based on every stereotype of the Jews and designed to make them hated. It has done these things very well. It is conspiracy theorist fanfic, the sort of shit that will always be easy to sell because of paranoid people like yourself. Spending time on this site has really made me consider publishing a book of absolute bullshit to sell conspiracy nuts. Between selling that and "alternative treatments THEY don't want you to know about" that I completely made up, I would make far more than I would as a physician. And I wouldn't even have to feel bad about it, because I have tried selling logic and science to crazies and they simply will never change their minds, no matter how compelling the evidence is, so I'll just sell them what the f**k they want- a pile of bullshit that makes them feel like they are "beating the man".

And once I've made my money, I'll come clean. And you know what will happen? They still won't believe me! They'll think TPTB got to me, and keep on buying bullshit I made up despite my very admission that I made it up. I used to be angry when I saw some alternative med quack shilling their shit to the masses, but now I see it as justice, a deserved punishment for those fools that fail at basic logic.
Are you a Jew? If this document was a hoax, then can you please explain to me why Western civilization is sinking so rapidly faster than the Titanic, there has to be a hidden force that is pulling it down. Just look around and see for yourself, look at the filth coming out of Hollywood on a daily basis, look at the mass shootings happening almost everyday, look at the corruption that has plagued the whole society from the top(leaders) down to the average nut job, look at how walstreet and corporations are screwing people left and right. Am very sure, 100 years ago, normal sane white men would have never permitted for a second to let non-whites touch their women, they would have never permitted Hollywood to start pouring trash like Hip Hop or the Kardashians into their living rooms. But fast forward to today, all this has happened and it hasn't happened by accident. Feminism didn't just happen by accident, it was promoted by Jews. Read the book and analyze all the events that have taken over the past century or two, and you can see that book isn't a hoax, even America's great industrialist Henry Ford saw that this book fit what was happening and he tried to wake people up.

Even Winston Church Hill knew about these scheming Jews

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Post by TopSpruce » November 3rd, 2013, 7:52 pm

ladislav wrote:By some strange quirk, teachers in America earn less than plumbers and other blue collar people and the teaching profession attracts rejects and losers. How this happened is a mystery to me.

In any other normal capitalist country, teachers earn way more than blue collar workers and have a way higher status.

Interestingly enough, the old USSR was a meritocracy in many ways as they never achieved communism. They basically got stuck in a corrupt State Socialism. While salaries for common workers were low, the government gave perks to those who tried harder.

If you were a good poet or artist, you would also have great respect and a good government job.

All you had to do was to go to the right schools and work your way into bureaucratic classes where you'd be given bigger apartments, free cars with drivers, "dachas", etc. If you go to this or that university and graduate from there, it guaranteed work at some big state enterprise with huge benefits, free trips abroad, etc.

But even common workers could make good money if they volunteered for work in Siberia/the Far East.

It also had a similar ( albeit not the same) racial system to the US with blond Slavic/Scandinavian looking people on top and darker skinned Turkic/Asiatic people at the bottom. There was also affirmative action and token "wogs" in the government such as Stalin- they let a "wog" run the country to show how international and non racist they were.

No more, though. They now allow only ethnically pure Russians at the top- look at Putin and Medvedev.

One the other hand, extreme capitalism like the one in the United States is also not good because it creates extreme individualism among the population to the extent that no one even knows their neighbor because they're busy making money and trying to get ahead. It becomes a dog eats dog situation. Everything becomes commercialized including women's beauty and bodies, people become alienated, less friendly, paranoid like the situation in the United States today and it also leads to the shaking off of responsibility for the community, eventually the society becomes so psychologically stressed and breaks apart.
But Latin American and SE Asian countries are even more capitalist than the US. Take the Philippines for one. Pure capitalism but an incredible sense of closeness and community with everyone knowing their neighbors and friendship being for life. The same in countries like Guatemala, etc. I think it's just the Anglo Saxon individualism which was inherited from Britain.
Fascinating.

So is this why asiatic FSU girls such as the 'stans are so much friendlier and interested in meeting up?
While pure slavic looking ones have a strong air of superiority and prefer to date within their own city or neighborhood.

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Post by HouseMD » November 3rd, 2013, 8:24 pm

Yes its totally the Jews and not just the same damn pattern that happens with every empire that has ever fallen in the history of mankind. Read about the fall of every empire you can find. Western society is falling apart because its time has come. The empirial cycle is just much faster due to the way in which global society is so interconnected. Read a few legit history books and the reason for our fall will be plain as day. Feminism and decadence are symptoms of the end, not its cause. Decadence and liberalism have heralded the end since as far back as ancient Egypt and in places as far flung and disconnected from Jews as the Aztecs.

The problem isnt a few Jews. It is human nature. Once a nation gains power, it always slides into a sort of corruption that eventually claims its own people. Go ahead, pat yourself on the back for the achievements of your ancestors, but make no bones about it, within 100 years, America and the West will likely be in an intractable decline due to the decadence we have afforded ourselves. Jews didn't attend the movies, people did, and we have been given what we wanted. Nor do they approve movies for distribution, that's the MPAA, whose members are almost entirely conservative Christians. Jews don't force the youth to listen to hip hop and dress like whores, that is behavior that my generation has done because our parents never instilled any morals in most of us and we view life as being about having a good time. We've given into our worst impulses because we're human and we want to, not because of some scheming rabbi.

People are f***ing weak, and without consequences and when left to their own devices, they will generally behave like animals. Jews didnt break down your legal system, that was years of work by your senate, congress, presidents, and legal system. We've never had a Jewish president, we've had few Jewish senators or congressmen, and the supreme court is appointed by two of the three grouos just mentioned. The West is destroying itself because we're all selfish and greedy and looking for cheap thrills, and people like you would rather blame a Jew than think that maybe, just maybe, our human nature is inherently flawed and no great institution can last forever because of this.

We evolved to be tribal survivalists, and all the f***ing science and law in the world wont change that. At the end of the day we're all just savages with cell phones that do our best to escape our primal nature, animals that are not yet capable of building a society of 7 billion people despite our greatest efforts. You hate the Jew, but the truth is you're just hating every dark urge within yourself. The obsession with Jewish tribalism mirrors your obsession with white tribalism, their scheming and plans to eliminate those they find detestible emulating your very own desire to cleanse this land of all you find undesirable. You ARE the Jew you so fantasize about, just different in your preferences for whom you would oppress given any degree of power.

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