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Why is Winston Churchill considered a great heroic leader when he's clearly a warmonger?

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Post by Moretorque » June 23rd, 2015, 7:15 pm

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Winston wrote:Why does Western history and movies portray Winston Churchill as a hero or great leader? What did he do that was so great? Britain was not a victim during WWII and he was no hero. He was a war monger who WANTED war with the Nazis and pushed for it and insisted on it. Every historian knows this. So why does Hollywood keep pushing the myth that Britain was an innocent victim of WWII? Hollywood always pushes cliches about the Allies = good guys and Nazis = bad guys.

In reality, England wanted war with Germany, whereas Hitler desperately tried to make a peace pact with England because he did not want a two front war with England and Russia. So why didn't anyone blame all the British soldiers dying on Winston Churchill? It was his fault so why does no one blame him? They all act like Churchill had no choice but to fight the Nazis and that the Nazis were the perpetrators of war with Britain when that's NOT factually true. Yet Hollywood still perpetuates that lie. Why doesn't someone tell the real story to clear up this misconception?
Because his side won.

The real ? becomes who is portraying these puppet rulers as hero's of history ?
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Post by Moretorque » June 23rd, 2015, 7:26 pm

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Cornfed wrote:By that logic Britain should have also declared war on the Soviet Union, since they also invaded Poland.
In theory, yes. But Churchill was much more scared of Germany than of Russia. Remember that WW1 was still fairly fresh in the minds of Europeans.
It is clear that they were in fact doing the evil bidding of the Jews/banksters.
Banksters, maybe. But Jews, Jews had been begging Britain to give them Israel for some time and Britain refused. So Britain certainly did not do the bidding of Jews.
You've never heard of the Balfour agreement then, between Lord Balfour and Lord Rothschild.
The Balfour Declaration (dated 2 November 1917) was a letter from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland.

His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.[1][2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

These elite Jews, or the aristocracy of the Jews (hardly every Jew, just the Rothschild Zionists who control the system) work on generation plans. They work on plans hundreds of years in advance and make slow progress towards those goals. You can almost admire them, if their goal wasnt to destroy humanity for their antichrist god.
You have the balls to bring the Rothschilds up ? that's worse than using Gods name in vein. I believe something happened at the Battle of Waterloo and on that day they essentially took the world over economically speaking and have never looked back. They do not want anybody to know this and will deny it but when you break the families wealth and power down you will find they own and control most of the world.

We don't know who controls most of the nukes and they are the equalizer for anybody who controls the beast arsenal. As Mao said, political power is primarily the barrel of a gun so our rulers control both but some details are unknown.
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Re: Why is Winston Churchill considered a great hero and lea

Post by Ghost » June 23rd, 2015, 7:49 pm

Am I the only one who misread the thread title and left out the "Churchhill"? :lol:
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Re: Why is Winston Churchill considered a hero and great lea

Post by Adama » June 23rd, 2015, 8:29 pm

Moretorque wrote: You have the balls to bring the Rothschilds up ? that's worse than using Gods name in vein. I believe something happened at the Battle of Waterloo and on that day they essentially took the world over economically speaking and have never looked back. They do not want anybody to know this and will deny it but when you break the families wealth and power down you will find they own and control most of the world.

We don't know who controls most of the nukes and they are the equalizer for anybody who controls the beast arsenal. As Mao said, political power is primarily the barrel of a gun so our rulers control both but some details are unknown.
I dont think the Rothschilds existed back then, but the aristocracy did. Napoleon was definitely financed by them, and you can see that he lifted many of the restrictions that were placed upon them prior to him. So he was another puppet. When he betrayed them, they made sure to get all the other western European nations to band together to stop him.

Could you imagine the amount of charisma that man must have had though? Literally convincing men to sacrifice their lives to bring him glory. He's probably in hell though.
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Post by Moretorque » June 23rd, 2015, 8:59 pm

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Moretorque wrote: You have the balls to bring the Rothschilds up ? that's worse than using Gods name in vein. I believe something happened at the Battle of Waterloo and on that day they essentially took the world over economically speaking and have never looked back. They do not want anybody to know this and will deny it but when you break the families wealth and power down you will find they own and control most of the world.

We don't know who controls most of the nukes and they are the equalizer for anybody who controls the beast arsenal. As Mao said, political power is primarily the barrel of a gun so our rulers control both but some details are unknown.
I dont think the Rothschilds existed back then, but the aristocracy did. Napoleon was definitely financed by them, and you can see that he lifted many of the restrictions that were placed upon them prior to him. So he was another puppet. When he betrayed them, they made sure to get all the other western European nations to band together to stop him.

Could you imagine the amount of charisma that man must have had though? Literally convincing men to sacrifice their lives to bring him glory. He's probably in hell though.
Yaa Napoleon was something else because he did not have a printing press like the bank does, overall the bank has made this clear because people act out of their pockets mostly and the bank has made that point.

Before Water Loo the Rothschild's were the richest family in the world and after they were the richest in the galaxy I believe, it is quite possible Napoleon took a fall for them and they had the whole thing planned to seal all of Europe in the process.
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Post by Moretorque » June 23rd, 2015, 9:02 pm

Ghost wrote:Am I the only one who misread the thread title and left out the "Churchhill"? :lol:
Ghost you don't read, you just know by intuition. :shock:
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Post by Adama » June 23rd, 2015, 9:03 pm

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Moretorque wrote: You have the balls to bring the Rothschilds up ? that's worse than using Gods name in vein. I believe something happened at the Battle of Waterloo and on that day they essentially took the world over economically speaking and have never looked back. They do not want anybody to know this and will deny it but when you break the families wealth and power down you will find they own and control most of the world.

We don't know who controls most of the nukes and they are the equalizer for anybody who controls the beast arsenal. As Mao said, political power is primarily the barrel of a gun so our rulers control both but some details are unknown.
I dont think the Rothschilds existed back then, but the aristocracy did. Napoleon was definitely financed by them, and you can see that he lifted many of the restrictions that were placed upon them prior to him. So he was another puppet. When he betrayed them, they made sure to get all the other western European nations to band together to stop him.

Could you imagine the amount of charisma that man must have had though? Literally convincing men to sacrifice their lives to bring him glory. He's probably in hell though.
Yaa Napoleon was something else because he did not have a printing press like the bank does, overall the bank has made this clear because people act out of their pockets mostly and the bank has made that point.

Before Water Loo the Rothschild's were the richest family in the world and after they were the richest in the galaxy I believe, it is quite possible Napoleon took a fall for them and they had the whole thing planned to seal all of Europe in the process.
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Post by Winston » June 23rd, 2015, 10:24 pm

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fschmidt wrote:First of all, Churchill was on the winning side and Hitler was on the losing side. People labeled heros are usually on the winning side.

Second, Britain had a alliance with Poland, so when Germany invaded Poland, Britain had an obligation to enter the war. While Germany wasn't threatening Britain directly, it was threatening to take over a big chunk of Europe which would have changed the balance of power and not been in Britain's interest.

That's only half the story. Both Russia and Germany invaded Poland, at the same time. The allies only declared war on Germany but made attempts to make Mother Russia their ally. Why is that? Because the elites had planned to destroy Germany for a long time, just as they had planned to kill the Romanov family and take over Russia with their Bolshevism FOR GENERATIONS prior to their success.
Why would they want to destroy Germany? Didn't they infiltrate and control it already? Isn't the British Royal Family from Germany? And didn't the Bavarian Illuminati begin in Germany? And aren't the Rothschilds from Germany? If so then Germany should be the home center of the elite families, not enemy territory.

Or they could have just left Germany in shambles after WWI and not build it up again. Why build it up again just to tear it down? To justify the creation of the UN?
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Post by Winston » June 23rd, 2015, 10:29 pm

Moretorque wrote: You have the balls to bring the Rothschilds up ? that's worse than using Gods name in vein. I believe something happened at the Battle of Waterloo and on that day they essentially took the world over economically speaking and have never looked back. They do not want anybody to know this and will deny it but when you break the families wealth and power down you will find they own and control most of the world.

We don't know who controls most of the nukes and they are the equalizer for anybody who controls the beast arsenal. As Mao said, political power is primarily the barrel of a gun so our rulers control both but some details are unknown.
Well the conspiracy researchers say that the Rothschilds spread false news after the Battle of Waterloo that Napoleon had won, which plummeted stock prices in Britain. They bought up all the stocks at cheap prices, and then when the real news came out that Napoleon was defeated, the stocks went up and from then on the Rothschilds owned all of Britain and became the wealthiest family in Europe.
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Post by Winston » June 23rd, 2015, 10:57 pm

David Irving wrote a two volume book called "Churchill's War" in which he portrays a different version of Winston Churchill than the Western version of him.



Churchill's War: The Struggle for Power
David Irving presents a wealth of hitherto suppressed information that shows a shockingly unfamilar potrait of the great statesman, Churchill. Readers will discover a power-hungry leader who prolonged the war to advance his own career. This is a fascinating, exhaustive investigation of Churchill's intrigues and deceptions before and during WWII. This is a savage debunking of Churchill by the world's most popular revisionist historian and author.
Irving's second volume of "Churchill's War":



Churchill's War Volume II: Triumph in Adversity
Using diaries and official and unofficial records never published before, this second volume of 'Churchill's War' takes a close-quarters look at the middle years of the Second World War. Volume I chronicled a chain of disasters through the fall of France to the debacle in Greece; this second volume chronicles great naval victories, El Alamein and the landings in North Africa.
The book contract was signed with a London publisher in 1972. Volume I (publ. 1987) attracted critical acclaim, sold 20,000 copies, and was widely translated. Major publishers in the UK and USA issued editions. Volume II appears 14 years later after an uneasy birth. During the 30 years of its writing the world has turned; the halls of historical research now tremble to the tread of political correctness. This work's author finds himself no longer the celebrated subject of reviewers. Major publishers who still aspire to print his works come under assault from international bodies. In July 1992 - even as he was returning from the KGB archives in Moscow with the secret Goebbels Diaries - the directors of Macmillan Ltd. were being forced to the secret decision to burn all stocks of his remaining works.

This work benefits however from the release of thousands of secret files. At the author's request both the John Major and Tony Blair governments opened files previously sealed: thus we know more about Anthony Eden's role in the murder of Admiral Darlan.

The human side of Winston Churchill reaches boldly out of these pages - lively, incorrigible, and sometimes callous; hectoring his ministers, but meek and subservient to Moscow and Washington. The picture of him that emerges in Real History is sometimes unpalatable - willingly fomenting and prolonging the war against Hitler, not in pursuit of any fundamental British interest but to acquire, consolidate, and enjoy power and its fruits after years spent in the political wilderness and relative poverty; he appears undismayed by the ruin of the British empire. In two appendices Mr. Irving reveals that Roosevelt and Churchill maintained top secret communications channels to exchange messages that are still not released to the public. Hardbound, 40 pages of black and white and color plates, 1072 pages.
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Moretorque wrote: You have the balls to bring the Rothschilds up ? that's worse than using Gods name in vein. I believe something happened at the Battle of Waterloo and on that day they essentially took the world over economically speaking and have never looked back. They do not want anybody to know this and will deny it but when you break the families wealth and power down you will find they own and control most of the world.

We don't know who controls most of the nukes and they are the equalizer for anybody who controls the beast arsenal. As Mao said, political power is primarily the barrel of a gun so our rulers control both but some details are unknown.
Well the conspiracy researchers say that the Rothschilds spread false news after the Battle of Waterloo that Napoleon had won, which plummeted stock prices in Britain. They bought up all the stocks at cheap prices, and then when the real news came out that Napoleon was defeated, the stocks went up and from then on the Rothschilds owned all of Britain and became the wealthiest family in Europe.

Mr. Wu, we already know all this so please.......... you are just making yourself look more foolish. For a China man this is embarrassing, the brightest and most gifted gene pool on planet earth and then there is Mr. Wu. I am sure when the plane touches down at Beijing International with Winston aboard the native Chinese pull the covers over their heads in embarrassment. Oh and your poor parents !!!! what do they do with a child of such.

Just joking you Winston, all this used to be well known history and my step fathers history books he read growing up have all been censored. The ruling elite have literally rewritten American history as of the last 50 to 100 years. Winston the Rothschild's were the richest family in the world before Water Loo, then after that they had multiple Royal Flush's over the world. Everybody else financially was left with lower case cards.

You have to admire them out of respect because they are the most cleaver bunch ever even if you do not like what they have done.
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Post by Moretorque » June 23rd, 2015, 11:23 pm

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fschmidt wrote:First of all, Churchill was on the winning side and Hitler was on the losing side. People labeled heros are usually on the winning side.

Second, Britain had a alliance with Poland, so when Germany invaded Poland, Britain had an obligation to enter the war. While Germany wasn't threatening Britain directly, it was threatening to take over a big chunk of Europe which would have changed the balance of power and not been in Britain's interest.

That's only half the story. Both Russia and Germany invaded Poland, at the same time. The allies only declared war on Germany but made attempts to make Mother Russia their ally. Why is that? Because the elites had planned to destroy Germany for a long time, just as they had planned to kill the Romanov family and take over Russia with their Bolshevism FOR GENERATIONS prior to their success.
Why would they want to destroy Germany? Didn't they infiltrate and control it already? Isn't the British Royal Family from Germany? And didn't the Bavarian Illuminati begin in Germany? And aren't the Rothschilds from Germany? If so then Germany should be the home center of the elite families, not enemy territory.

Or they could have just left Germany in shambles after WWI and not build it up again. Why build it up again just to tear it down? To justify the creation of the UN?
Winston there is a fairly new book out called " The Bad War " that documents what happened going back to 1848, what happened in 1948 ? a lot around the world and the communist document surfaced for one major pinning for why the world is going the way it is.

Go read the reviews at Amazon, my stepfather says some of it is German propaganda but even if half or more is true which I believe it is it will fill in some blanks for you. My step father likes to believe the victors.

It's all a real shame because I hear the Germany they built after WW 1 was way more grandious than the Germany of today.
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Post by Adama » June 23rd, 2015, 11:42 pm

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Adama wrote:
fschmidt wrote:First of all, Churchill was on the winning side and Hitler was on the losing side. People labeled heros are usually on the winning side.

Second, Britain had a alliance with Poland, so when Germany invaded Poland, Britain had an obligation to enter the war. While Germany wasn't threatening Britain directly, it was threatening to take over a big chunk of Europe which would have changed the balance of power and not been in Britain's interest.

That's only half the story. Both Russia and Germany invaded Poland, at the same time. The allies only declared war on Germany but made attempts to make Mother Russia their ally. Why is that? Because the elites had planned to destroy Germany for a long time, just as they had planned to kill the Romanov family and take over Russia with their Bolshevism FOR GENERATIONS prior to their success.
Why would they want to destroy Germany? Didn't they infiltrate and control it already? Isn't the British Royal Family from Germany? And didn't the Bavarian Illuminati begin in Germany? And aren't the Rothschilds from Germany? If so then Germany should be the home center of the elite families, not enemy territory.

Or they could have just left Germany in shambles after WWI and not build it up again. Why build it up again just to tear it down? To justify the creation of the UN?
The aristocracy of the Jews formed a fifth column in the German state. They had taken over every institution by stealth and nepotism, putting themselves into positions of power throughout the nation. But they were subverting Germany for their purposes, to crush Germany economically and morally.

Hitler removed all Jewish individuals from positions of power in Germany, because he saw what they were doing. In response, the Jews outside of Germany declared an offical economic war on Germany by calling for a world wide boycott of German goods.

At that point, the Germans decided to label all the Jewish stores and shops with the Jewish Star of Remphan sign and the word "Jude." Just so the Germans would know not to support the people who were supporting the destruction of the Germans*. If the Jews wanted to destroy Germany, Germany was not going to go down without a fight.

It is only too bad the entire world had to band together to destroy Germany.

But then Hitler is not our savior. Jesus Christ is our Savior.

* This is also one of the many reasons why they want to destroy racial solidarity. Germans were ethic Germans, not hyphenated Germans of different ethnicities. So a war against Germany was literally a war against the German race, and of course the Germans could see this, which is why they were able to band together to fight the enemy.
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Post by Moretorque » June 24th, 2015, 12:38 am

Is it true people practicing Judaism have been thrown out of everywhere the last 1000 plus years ? I was reading in the bible where it was saying tribe members could practice usury on everyone else and charge interest. I wonder if somebody put this in the first book for political self gain reasons down the road somewhere ?
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A good man is above pettiness. He is better than that.

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