What about those poor carrots? Winston must know, plants have feelings too! Those plants have never been cruel to anyone, yet he brutally rips their bodies apart!MrMan wrote:Just think of those poor potatoes. They live out their lives buried under ground, in a confined space. Then, some human plucks the potato out of the only home it has ever known and takes it to a kitchen. WIthout mercy, the cook cuts the poor potatoes eyes off. Then it flays the potato, removing the potatoes skin. The cook may choose to boil the potato, bake it, or fry it in hot oil.
Would you want what happens to the potato to happen to you?
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I'm going to find a video showing how they chop up and mutilate vegetables for salads. When you view it, you all will never want to eat salad again!
The consumption of meat has been thought to be in direct correlation with the rise in human intelligence in early humans. It's no coincidence that the emergence of hunting tools coincides with rise in brain development. Which makes since as the brain relies heavily on proteins for functioning. Disregard what is a high quality protein source, red meat also is high in Iron, and fish high in essential oils and omega-3s. Plant based protein is often inadequate and is a reason why vegetarians need supplements.
The idea that red meat and to a further extent, Saturated fat, causes heart disease has been a heavily debated topic and loads of peer-reviewed research has taken on both sides. I see consistently lately in the news and health publications how more and more scientists are beginning to believe that processed foods and refined sugars are to blame for heart disease rather than fat. Which means cholesteol isn't as important as it may seem. Not to mention low-fat food has been thrown in our faces for the better part of 4 decades and obesity and diabetes rates have continued to rise.
Here's a few thoughts regarding these studies:
1) Heart disease just 60 years ago wasn't nearly as prevalent as it is today, though I seriously doubt meat consumption has increased that much.
2) How active were the populations that were studied? Vegans and vegetarians in general happen to be more health focused than the average meat eating Joe. High activity levels greatly influence good health as well as lower fat levels.
3) Vegan diets lead to less weight gain because they are lower in calories. A broccoli crown has like 60 calories compared to potato chips. Less adipose tissue means less pressure on the heart and cardiovascular system.
4) What about communities, Native Siberians as an example, whom have a diet very high in animal protein and fat, yet have fairly healthy populations?
5) Vegans are a small subset of the populace. Most of the populace, especially in USA, eat terribly processed diets full of trans fats, excess sugars and sodium, and added hormones and nitrates. Is it the meat that's the issue or terrible food choices?
A former professor of Biology of mine once said that a diet that is as close to natural is always best. Use butter instead of margarine; Mayo instead of Miracle Whip, steak from grass fed cattle, etc.
I'm taking on a second degree in the medical field so I enjoy subjects like these. Here are some further publications about the issue:
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/health/ar ... ity-diets/
https://chriskresser.com/red-meat-cance ... ever-stop/
https://www.newsmax.com/Health/Headline ... id/786570/
Regarding morality, I am a hunter and fish year around. There is few things as rewarding as providing for yourself in a primitive way. With that said I can see where some people cannot stomach the concept of taking a life. As long as we use animals to an extent where they are not driven to endangered levels or habitat destruction then I am fine with using them for products. Torture is a little bit different.
Give us a heads upon the video. I would like to get some nice rib eyes going first. Here is a relevant hilarious scene from A Night On Earth. Roberto Binigni confesses to having sex with a pumpkin...
After being a strict vegetarian for 18 years, I returned to eating meat.
Feel stronger and healthier now than I ever did back then.
Digestion and elimination much improved.
Sleep more soundly.
And far less cravings, such as for sugar and bread.
For supper this evening, I cooked a rib-eye steak.
That was supper: no salad, no potato, no garlic bread, just steak.
Imported beef from Australia.
Marbling score: 2-3.
Tender, juicy, flavorful.
More steaks in the freezer, ready for future meals.
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That's right, Winston. Hey, Winston. If you had been among the Israelites when God rescued them by His servant Moses, you could have enjoyed being a vegetarian and eating the same bread from heaven that angels get to eat, called manna. Maybe you could have eaten this manna bread. If I remember correctly from the story, it tasted like honey.
Would you have enjoyed that, Winston? No meat at all. Just angel's bread directly from heaven.
I wonder what percentage of non-ethnic South Asians who are vegetarian, are also involved in some hippie type of movement of some kind. I bet lots of these types of people are into New Age stuff, which really does seem to come out of India anyhow.