Does freedom lead to moral decay and cultural degradation?

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abcdavid01 wrote:I think it's fair to say that any type of government could mass murder its people. Plus it's important to determine what actions are really just products of war.

Especially when it's subjects are unarmed, the most workable government system I have seen is our founding documents if they were updated and people got involved and understood how the system is supposed to work.

Ron Paul has been trying to educate the Sheeple for over 30 years and to no real avail however.

Dictatorships have proven to be the best rule because people really cannot govern themselves as a collective. America is proof of this, the other day I was talking to a gal about the way things were, she was homeless by the way and I told here we were conquered by the same forces who we fought in the revolutionary war to break free from and she did not know who that was so that about sums up a system where the people govern themselves and possess power over a ruling body.

In general they do not educate themselves to the forces that run their lives, but they dam sure want those forces to cut them a check, so in the end we have arrived where we are here in the US because people just will not be responsible for their own actions .
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Many Americans have been turned into mindless minions of the elites, easily swayed by propaganda, easily manipulated, care more about the gossip of celebrities than anything else, and are only interested in partying. Most girls are now into partying, celebrity gossip, and being on their iphones. Many of the trashy and gangster guys are more interested in partying, playing sports, sports news, and trying to act "cool" like a gangster. American culture is a culture of no culture. There might be tiny enclaves of cultures because it's called the "melting pot" but for the majority of Americans there is no culture (unless you count hedonism, promiscuity, and ghetto behavior as a culture).

Most Americans rank the worst in geography. Anyone with any intelligence could take time to learn and memorize the locations of different countries with relative ease. Memorizing different states, provinces, and capitals would become more difficult. Many Americans can't place a country on the map.

A great country would encourage education, morality, and uphold a strong culture. Every leader that wants their country to be great needs their people to be great. People build up the country that the leader rules. A leader wouldn't be in power without their people and people would only defend a leader they support.

The majority of Americans do not support American leadership. How many people would be willing to fight for American leadership? American leadership maintains it's power through propaganda, lies, crushing protests, the police force, fear, imprisonment, and controlling the media. However, it's more likely that the elites pull the strings of the government and the mainstream media is the propaganda machine of the elites that run the show.
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Peter the Great
In numerous successful wars he expanded the Tsardom into a huge empire that became a major European power. According to historian James Cracraft, he led a cultural revolution that replaced the traditionalist and medieval social and political system with a modern, scientific, Europe-oriented, and rationalist system...

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_the_Great
Alexander II of Russia
His most important achievement was the emancipation of serfs in 1861, for which he became known as Alexander the Liberator

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_II_of_Russia
He was assassinated.

Monarchs advance their people and they love their people. The Russian monarchy was one of the greatest monarchies in the world. They loved their people and wanted the best for their people. The Russian monarchy was willing to go to war to defend all the Slavic peoples and in doing so they lost their lives during WWI. The loss of the Romanovs and the Russian monarchy was one of the greatest tragedies of the 20th Century.

There is a very good theory that suggests Rasputin was actually murdered by rogue British Secret Service.
Source: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/who-killed-rasputin/

Many of Russia's most intelligent, brilliant, and culturally important people were killed once the Romanovs were removed from power. Others were kept inside Russia and unable to continue their work.

Many people believe the Rothschilds were behind it and financed it.
Researcher Eustice Mullins writes that the Rothschilds took over all the financial operations of the worldwide Catholic Church in 1823. Today the large banking and financial business of the Catholic Church is an extensive system interlocked with the Rothschilds and the rest of the International Banking system. The great wealth of the Russian Czars was entrusted to the Rothschilds, $35 million with the Rothschild's Bank of England, and $80 million in the Rothschild's Paris bank. The Rothschilds financed the Russian Revolution which confiscated vast portions of the Orthodox Church's wealth. They have been able to prevent (due to their power) the legitimate heirs of the Czars fortune to withdraw a penny of the millions deposited in a variety of their banks. The Mountbattans, who are related to the Rothschilds, led the court battles to prevent the claimants from withdrawing any of the fortune. In other words, the money they invested in the Russian Revolution, was not only paid back directly by the Bolshevists in millions of dollar of gold, but by grabbing the hugh deposits of the Czars' wealth, the Rothschilds gained what is now worth over $50 Billions.

Source: http://rense.com/general77/POWERS.HTM
Russian president says predominantly Jewish Soviet government was guided by false ideological considerations.

Source: http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewis ... ish-317150
The reason why America and the West hates Putin is because he loves his people and he loves Russia. He is trying to make Russia strong and prosperous. He is consolidating power and proposed a Eurasian Union.

http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=662

http://nationalvanguard.org/2012/05/the ... oligarchs/
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From my light research I have come to the same conclusion, One of the major reasons American's are so gullible about the world and world geography is because the elite specifically want Americans to be ill informed so they can use the technology the USA has developed over the last 50 years to conquer any challengers. They want a mindless ill informed droid they can lie to and use.

That is why Americans are so ill informed about other cultures and other parts of the world, you do not want your lied to droids that you are using for your conquest to figure out the ruling body of their lives is nothing but a lying thief.

Henry Kissinger said military men were to be duped and used and he is just a front for the real power brokers.
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Tsar wrote:Peter the Great
In numerous successful wars he expanded the Tsardom into a huge empire that became a major European power. According to historian James Cracraft, he led a cultural revolution that replaced the traditionalist and medieval social and political system with a modern, scientific, Europe-oriented, and rationalist system...

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_the_Great
Alexander II of Russia
His most important achievement was the emancipation of serfs in 1861, for which he became known as Alexander the Liberator

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_II_of_Russia
He was assassinated.

Monarchs advance their people and they love their people. The Russian monarchy was one of the greatest monarchies in the world. They loved their people and wanted the best for their people. The Russian monarchy was willing to go to war to defend all the Slavic peoples and in doing so they lost their lives during WWI. The loss of the Romanovs and the Russian monarchy was one of the greatest tragedies of the 20th Century.

There is a very good theory that suggests Rasputin was actually murdered by rogue British Secret Service.
Source: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/who-killed-rasputin/

Many of Russia's most intelligent, brilliant, and culturally important people were killed once the Romanovs were removed from power. Others were kept inside Russia and unable to continue their work.

Many people believe the Rothschilds were behind it and financed it.
Researcher Eustice Mullins writes that the Rothschilds took over all the financial operations of the worldwide Catholic Church in 1823. Today the large banking and financial business of the Catholic Church is an extensive system interlocked with the Rothschilds and the rest of the International Banking system. The great wealth of the Russian Czars was entrusted to the Rothschilds, $35 million with the Rothschild's Bank of England, and $80 million in the Rothschild's Paris bank. The Rothschilds financed the Russian Revolution which confiscated vast portions of the Orthodox Church's wealth. They have been able to prevent (due to their power) the legitimate heirs of the Czars fortune to withdraw a penny of the millions deposited in a variety of their banks. The Mountbattans, who are related to the Rothschilds, led the court battles to prevent the claimants from withdrawing any of the fortune. In other words, the money they invested in the Russian Revolution, was not only paid back directly by the Bolshevists in millions of dollar of gold, but by grabbing the hugh deposits of the Czars' wealth, the Rothschilds gained what is now worth over $50 Billions.

Source: http://rense.com/general77/POWERS.HTM
Russian president says predominantly Jewish Soviet government was guided by false ideological considerations.

Source: http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewis ... ish-317150
The reason why America and the West hates Putin is because he loves his people and he loves Russia. He is trying to make Russia strong and prosperous. He is consolidating power and proposed a Eurasian Union.

http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=662

http://nationalvanguard.org/2012/05/the ... oligarchs/
People around the world are figuring the con out and the oligarchs have a big problem, the net has seriously upset their applecart. My prediction is they are once again going to try and build a super idiot police force but this one will be of the likes that nobody has ever seen. They have got to be able to get a$$holes to do their bidding for digits they make up on a computer screen so they are going to build a mindless police force of morons.


I just recently saw this in action my self when the Monsanto march was in town, I read where Monsanto was going to have their own police goons at all the marches and they did at the march I went to, these guy's looked really dumb just from viewing and way below in professionalism compared to your normal cops but they were there to make a police presence felt.

Yaa, the Jewish mafia killed more people last century from what I can see by far than anybody else, it is all because they control the printing press. If the printing press was in somebody else's hand the result would have probably been the same because power corrupts absolutely.
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Two questions:

1. Did the Roman Empire collapse because of too much freedom too? What happened there?

2. Would a democracy or republic work if the masses of people were highly educated, informed and aware? Or are most people going to be stupid and dumb no matter how hard you try to educate them?
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Winston wrote:Two questions:

1. Did the Roman Empire collapse because of too much freedom too? What happened there?

2. Would a democracy or republic work if the masses of people were highly educated, informed and aware? Or are most people going to be stupid and dumb no matter how hard you try to educate them?
1) The Roman Empire collapsed for the same reasons every OTHER empire (too big to be taken over from the outside or destroyed by natural disaster) in history has collapsed == over expansion, over regulation & taxation, internal corruption. For some, it became preferable to live with the "barbarians".
There's no shortage of books detailing it.

2) Democracies are unstable, because people will eventually votes themselves other peoples money.
Republics are more stable, but ANY form of gov goes to hell when criminals gain hold of it.

A republic -- is what Rome was before it became an empire. America, too.
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