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How do you explain Murphy's Law? Its definitely REAL.

Post by Winston » April 2nd, 2014, 6:20 am

I've been wanting to ask something for a long time that is kind of taboo but real nonetheless. I was wondering if anyone had any input or explanation for it, since it defies all rational explanations by science or the laws of probability. It's about the phenomenon known as:

MURPHY'S LAW

There does seem to be an invisible force around us that likes to go against our intentions and wishes. It enjoys tripping us and putting obstacles in our path. It enjoys putting temptation before us, and then yanking it away, as if saying "Na na na na na, you can't have it!" It likes to mess up our plans by throwing endless problems in front of us. So trying to move or relocate is like trying to get off Gilligan's Island -- in every episode something goes wrong. I've experienced this too many times consistently, many thousands of times, to the point where I know it can't be due to pure coincidence, chance or randomness.

I think nearly everyone experiences Murphy's Law. They may call it streaks of bad luck, but it's the same thing. So we all know what I mean. It's just that in America, people don't like to talk about Murphy's Law because it sounds negative and whiney, like you are blaming bad luck and superstitious forces for your predicament. So it's kind of a taboo term. Plus it makes you look like a loser if you complain about bad luck too much.

But the force does seem real nevertheless. When it happens everyday, thousands of times, after a while you realize it's not a coincidence. Some type of force really is working against you. There's a definite pattern that is not in accord with chance and coincidence. For example, if a 50/50 chance goes against you 90 to 95 percent of the time, many times consistently, then you know it can't be just a coincidence. And this applies to many things in life, from the trivial to the important. An infinite number of examples could be given.

There are books and websites that give many examples of Murphy's Law. Here are some webpages that list many examples:

http://www.murphys-laws.com/murphy/murphy-laws.html
http://www.murphys-laws.com/murphy/murphy-love.html

I could add many examples of my own to them. If you've seen the Snoopy and Charlie Brown cartoons and comics, you know what I mean. The Charlie Brown character is plagued with Murphy's Law to the extreme. Some people's real lives are like that, unfortunately. We've all known some of them.

I would define Murphy's Law like this: In a field of randomness, coincidences are calculated to go against you in a consistent pattern, to the point where you realize it's not pure randomness.

Note to skeptics: I understand that flukes happen everyday which defy chance. But that's not what I mean. I'm talking about CONSISTENT patterns in defying the laws of chance. For example, if I'm at an intersection and not sure which way to turn, and guess in a 50/50 chance, but I take the wrong turn 90 percent of the time, EVERY TIME hundreds of times, that's not a coincidence. I'm sorry but not everything in life is explainable by science and laws of probability. There are many many things that can't be explained by mundane conventional explanations. Some skeptics can't accept that, but it's true nonetheless.

Anyhow, the phenomenon known as Murphy's Law does seem real and consistent. The only question is whether the force known as Murphy's Law is emanating from your subconscious mind (as New Agers and pop psychologists would claim) or if it's some metaphysical 3rd law of Newton: "For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction." In other words, for every intention you have, the universe sends the opposite intention as an obstacle in your path to block you or trip you up. It's basically action=reaction at work. Other possible explanations are curses, bad karma from past lives, or non-physical entities at work.

You can laugh at this if you want. But we've all experienced it many times, even if we don't like to admit it. Even left brained Atheists that only believe in the physical universe, such as Momopi, have experienced it, even if they don't like to admit it. But it seems to plague some people more than others. I seem to be one of the ones for which Murphy's Law strongly affects. Even some of my skeptical friends, like Rock, became believers in Murphy's Law after witnessing it around me multiple times. After all, seeing is believing. Rock eventually dubbed it "Charlie Brown luck".

I wonder how New Agers, believers in Karma and the Law of Attraction, and those who believe in a just God, would explain Murphy's Law, since it doesn't fit into their paradigm? However, I don't think they can explain it though, since they can't even explain the timeless dilemma of "Why do bad things happen to good people?" that philosophers have asked for thousands of years. Even Job, in the Book of Job in the Bible, who asked that question throughout the whole story, did not receive a logical explanation from God at the end.

I do think though, that there is validity in the New Age/pop psychology claim that negative beliefs and attitudes result in self-fulfilling prophecies that produce negative outcomes. We've all seen that at work. So it's definitely a real phenomenon. But couldn't we argue conversely that our negative attitudes are a RESULT of our experiences as well, rather than the cause of them?

Either way, I'm not sure that could explain Murphy's Law though, unless our minds are capable of affecting external matter (like a subtle psychokinesis) to make external factors and forces go against us. But if our minds are the source of the problem, then it's good news, because it means that it can be changed and controlled, though it's not easy since the mind is not easily changed.

However, even if this is true, I think New Agers take it too far in claiming that we are responsible for everything and that everything is under our mind's control. They may not put it like that, but they insinuate that in their theories and teachings. The mind cannot be responsible for everything. There are real victims in life, and bad things do happen to good people, which has plagued philosophers for thousands of years. And those who are positive, brave and fearless have died while taking risks. So not everything is completely under our control. We need to understand that, lest we will take reckless risks that endanger our lives, thinking that nothing can go wrong as long as we are positive and devoid of negative attitudes.

So anyway, what do you all think? Are any of you willing to admit that you've experienced Murphy's Law or Charlie Brown luck consistently, even if makes you sound like a loser? Or do you know anyone who has, to the point where it can't be due to randomness or coincidence? If so, what's your explanation?
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Re: How do you explain Murphy's Law and Charlie Brown luck?

Post by Devil Dog » April 2nd, 2014, 5:04 pm

Winston wrote:.

So anyway, what do you all think? Are any of you willing to admit that you've experienced Murphy's Law or Charlie Brown luck consistently, even if makes you sound like a loser? Or do you know anyone who has, to the point where it can't be due to randomness or coincidence? If so, what's your explanation?
Winston, in all seriousness, I admit to the opposite. I tend to make the correct turn or the correct decision in a coin-toss situation. On an intellectual level I don't believe in luck, I think it will all even out in the long run. But on any given day I feel lucky, and I usually am.

Many people have incorrect opinions about luck. Here is an example: I play poker with the same group almost every week. These guys believe in their hearts that I am a lucky card player because I win at about about 95% of the sessions. But luck has nothing to do with it. I am the best poker player at the table by a large margin. I watch them make mistakes, then they attribute a loss to bad luck. Indeed the worst player at the table is always complaining about his bad luck. I play solid, mathematically sound strategy, and they call it good luck.

I think intelligence, confidence, and a positive attitude leads to what most people call "luck".

If you want another recent example of my "luck" read my post How I got a free ticket to Asia.

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Post by Winston » April 2nd, 2014, 6:22 pm

Devil Dog,
You obviously don't know what I am talking about and didn't seem to read my post. If you can create your luck, then by definition it isn't luck. Luck isn't something that you directly control. It's more about external events and coincidences that either go for you or against you.

I've had good luck in many things too. We all have. That's not the point. The point is that there does seem to be an invisible force that works against you consistently in a way that chance can't explain. If you read the Murphy's Law links above, they contain hundreds of examples.

Why do some guys like you think that everything in the universe and life is explainable by math and probability? It isn't. Ask Einstein. He thought he had the universe figured out. Then quantum physics and its unpredictability and inconsistency which violated the law of physics, stumped him for the rest of his life.

The truth is, there are many many many things that we can't explain. Why do guys like you, Momopi, and MarkLambo not understand that? It's not hard for me to accept. Some guys can't accept mysteries and the unknown I guess. We are all wired differently.

Many great astrophysicists have said that, "The universe is not only stranger than you imagine. It is stranger than you CAN imagine."

Why do you have trouble accepting that? If you think that everything is understandable and fits into the laws of probability, then you are wrong, for sure.
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Post by momopi » April 2nd, 2014, 6:27 pm

Winston, have you played Roulette in Vegas?

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Post by Winston » April 2nd, 2014, 6:35 pm

momopi wrote:Winston, have you played Roulette in Vegas?
Yes I have. Why? The odds in it are too heavily against me and there is no strategy that changes those odds. So I don't play it.

That has nothing to do with Murphy's Law though. Yes some people are luckier than others at gambling.

Probability does not explain everything. Some things defy probability. You know what I mean. Every truth seeker knows this. Many examples could be given. But you get the point.
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Post by momopi » April 2nd, 2014, 6:50 pm

Winston wrote:
momopi wrote:Winston, have you played Roulette in Vegas?
Yes I have. Why? The odds in it are too heavily against me and there is no strategy that changes those odds. So I don't play it.
That has nothing to do with Murphy's Law though. Yes some people are luckier than others at gambling.
Probability does not explain everything. Some things defy probability. You know what I mean. Every truth seeker knows this. Many examples could be given. But you get the point.
On a "double zero" Roulette table, your chance of winning on black/red, even/odd, or high/low is approx. 47.37%, versus the house at 52.63%.

If you believe that you have "bad luck", then a simple test would be to make consistent, minimum bets in roulette. If true, then someone else who make bets against you would surely profit.

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Post by Devil Dog » April 2nd, 2014, 10:16 pm

Winston wrote:Devil Dog,
You obviously don't know what I am talking about and didn't seem to read my post. If you can create your luck, then by definition it isn't luck. Luck isn't something that you directly control. It's more about external events and coincidences that either go for you or against you.

I've had good luck in many things too. We all have. That's not the point. The point is that there does seem to be an invisible force that works against you consistently in a way that chance can't explain. If you read the Murphy's Law links above, they contain hundreds of examples.

Why do some guys like you think that everything in the universe and life is explainable by math and probability? It isn't. Ask Einstein. He thought he had the universe figured out. Then quantum physics and its unpredictability and inconsistency which violated the law of physics, stumped him for the rest of his life.

The truth is, there are many many many things that we can't explain. Why do guys like you, Momopi, and MarkLambo not understand that? It's not hard for me to accept. Some guys can't accept mysteries and the unknown I guess. We are all wired differently.

Many great astrophysicists have said that, "The universe is not only stranger than you imagine. It is stranger than you CAN imagine."

Why do you have trouble accepting that? If you think that everything is understandable and fits into the laws of probability, then you are wrong, for sure.
No, Winston. I read your post and I understand your fuzzy and misguided premises. I disagree with them. Einstein is dead, so I can't ask him.

Perhaps "guys like you, Momopi, and MarkLambo" have no need to look deep for excuses as to why life is screwing us over...because maybe life isn't screwing us over. Logical thought would serve you well, Winston. You seem to have the mind of a woman.

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Post by Devil Dog » April 2nd, 2014, 10:24 pm

And furthermore, Winston, you don't even seem to understand what Murphy's Law is. You are twisting it into a statement that the universe causes things to go wrong for people, and that is not an accurate summary of Murphy's Law.

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Post by momopi » April 2nd, 2014, 11:59 pm

Devil Dog wrote: Perhaps "guys like you, Momopi, and MarkLambo" have no need to look deep for excuses as to why life is screwing us over...because maybe life isn't screwing us over. Logical thought would serve you well, Winston. You seem to have the mind of a woman.
Actually, I do believe in winning or losing streaks, in gambling terms. However, in the long run, I'm sure we all know the odds favor the house.

If Winston believes that he has consistent losing streak, and this can be proven at the tables, then that's a perfect opportunity for the rest of us to make some money (we can fund him with the winnings). He IS in Vegas, and I'm very open minded when it comes to making a profit.

Personally, I prefer horses over casinos. When the weather is good, I'd sometimes gather friends and get a box at the track. We'd munch on prime rib sandwiches and sip beer throughout the afternoon. There's a long wait between each race so there's no sense of urgency, and your money doesn't burn at fast pace like slots.

If any of you guys have never been to a race track, the women there tend to dress up pretty nicely. It's one of the few rare instances where very short guys (jockey) are the well-paid celebrities, pulling up in their $$$ red Ferrari's. We usually go to Santa Anita track in Arcadia, right next to the mall. After a lazy afternoon at the track, we take a short drive to Din Tai Fung for steamed dumplings.

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Post by Winston » April 5th, 2014, 2:37 pm

momopi wrote:
Winston wrote:
momopi wrote:Winston, have you played Roulette in Vegas?
Yes I have. Why? The odds in it are too heavily against me and there is no strategy that changes those odds. So I don't play it.
That has nothing to do with Murphy's Law though. Yes some people are luckier than others at gambling.
Probability does not explain everything. Some things defy probability. You know what I mean. Every truth seeker knows this. Many examples could be given. But you get the point.
On a "double zero" Roulette table, your chance of winning on black/red, even/odd, or high/low is approx. 47.37%, versus the house at 52.63%.

If you believe that you have "bad luck", then a simple test would be to make consistent, minimum bets in roulette. If true, then someone else who make bets against you would surely profit.
Why do you think this is funny? Logical rational people do not gamble. Math teachers think it's a waste of time too. You are supposed to be a logical person Momopi. Why are you into gambling?

Is it your position that everything can be explained by science and probability and that nothing metaphysical or extra-dimensional exists?

If so, how do you explain the fact that science has proven ESP to exist? It was proven in the 1930's by the Rhinehart experiments. And in the 1970's and 1980's by the Ganzfeld experiments. They were repeatable and peer reviewed.

Why am I the only one here that knows about stuff like this? I thought you were all truth seekers? I expected more sympathy here. Most people have bad luck. Yet you act like I'm the only one? WTF?

Are you claiming you've never had bad luck? Come on now. Everyone has. Why do you not admit it?

Murphy's Law is a common experience too. It even brought down the Titanic as well. So why do you act like only I experience it?
Devil Dog wrote: And furthermore, Winston, you don't even seem to understand what Murphy's Law is. You are twisting it into a statement that the universe causes things to go wrong for people, and that is not an accurate summary of Murphy's Law.
WTF? Are you trying to play mind games with me? If so, you are a shill. Not a serious legitimate rational person.

How would you define Murphy's Law then?

I'm the one who posted links on Murphy's Law above. Did you even read them? How can I not know what it means? You don't even seem to know what luck means. You believe that luck can be controlled. If it could, then it wouldn't be luck. So you contradicted yourself.

Why do you deny ever having bad luck? Everyone has bad luck, even the greatest people do. You are weird.
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Post by Winston » April 5th, 2014, 2:40 pm

Some of you don't seem to understand what I mean by Murphy's Law. Please read the links below. They contain many examples. Everyone experiences these. So why are you all in denial?

http://www.murphys-laws.com/murphy/murphy-laws.html
http://www.murphys-laws.com/murphy/murphy-love.html

Basically, we are talking about an INVISIBLE AGENT that purposely tries to make things go wrong and go against us that is NOT explainable by coincidence or randomness.

Please read that again. Some of you seem to not understand what that means. Perhaps it is because some guys are INCAPABLE of believing that there are any mysteries, unknown/unexplained phenomenon, or metaphysical realities. That's a common problem with a lot of guys, especially Atheists. The paranormal and supernatural deals with stuff out of their control, so they refuse to believe in any of it. It does not fit into practical left brained logic either. So every time you talk about it, it goes over their heads.

But I've experienced this invisible agent MANY MANY MANY times. Even Rock has seen it at work in my life and can attest to it. If you've ever seen Snoopy or Charlie Brown, it shows Murphy's Law happening to Charlie Brown all the time. Do you remember? Why is this so hard for some of you to understand? It's even in a cartoon!

Here are some examples in my life of Murphy's Law:

- At an intersection, if I don't know which way to turn, and I take a guess, I make the wrong turn 90 percent of the time. A 50/50 chance theoretically should not be wrong 90 percent of the time. Therefore, it cannot be explained by chance alone. I don't know why Atheists are stumped by this and cannot deal with it.

- In the Philippines, when I sit in a jeepney with Dianne, the hottest and cutest girls always come on board, because I cannot talk to them or hit on them. But when I'm alone, they don't come. When I'm available, they don't come. Only when I'm not available, do they come. This is a common experience, and other guys here have noted it too. Ladislav also experiences this.

The thing is, if it happens a few times, it can be coincidence. But if it happens HUNDREDS of times, then it's a PATTERN, not a coincidence. I don't know why that's beyond a lot of guys, even educated guys.

- Take Astrology for instance. Even Jester has said Astrology cannot be explained by chance alone. Astrology is not 100 percent accurate, but it is not 100 percent chance and coincidence either. There is a definite repeating PATTERN in Astrology. The documented research of Frenchman Michel de Gauquelin proved this. And personal experience proves it too. Why is this totally over the head of many guys, even here? So weird. How can something so obvious to some people be totally over the head of others? And why do so many guys know nothing of metaphysics?

There seems to be two types of guys here:

1. Those who accept that metaphysical realities and other dimensions exist. And that there are supernatural and paranormal events that happen, even in their own life, that cannot be explained by science. They happily embrace the unknown, unexplained and mysterious as something wonderful and intriguing, which makes life more exciting and interesting. They can also cite instances of paranormal phenomenon or miracles in their life that they experienced.

Examples of guys on the forum who fit type #1 are: Mr S, Ladislav, Jamesbond, Jackal, and others.

2. Those who lean toward Atheism and are closed to anything metaphysical or paranormal. They believe that everything in the universe and in reality can be explained by the known laws of science, mundane explanations or chance and probability. They are uncomfortable with other dimensions or metaphysical realities or invisible phenomenon. They have an aversion to the mysterious and unexplained, and blot it out of their heads. It makes them uncomfortable because they cannot see it or control it. They cannot accept the existence of any "invisible agents" outside of their control and perception.

We've all known many guys like this. At least half of Western men are this type, and many forum members here too. In movies about the supernatural or paranormal, they are always the skeptics who think there must be a logical explanation for everything, until they are proven wrong later.

Examples of guys on the forum who fit type #2 are: Momopi, Marklambo, Devil Dog, and others.

Guys of type #2 will not acknowledge something like Murphy's Law, or even Astrology, because it doesn't fit into their paradigm. But the thing is, Murphy's Law is a part of life. We've all experienced it many times in everyday things. See the examples in the links above. So I don't understand why some guys can't accept it. Bad luck happens to all of us. Perhaps some guys don't take it too seriously.

Anyhow, I do know that Murphy's Law exists. We just don't know WHAT it is or what causes it. One of its laws is that "nature sides with the hidden flaw". That's true. We've all experienced that. It happened with the Titanic too.

We've all experienced something like this: If we have it, we don't need it. If we need it at the moment, we don't have it. When you need the cops, they are not around. If you don't need them, then they are around to bother you.

Everyone can attest to such things. They are common experiences that ordinary people will attest to.

So why the hell am I the only guy here who thinks Murphy's Law is real? WTF?! Theoretically everyone should be able to attest to it.

How can something so obvious and simple, as to be put in Snoopy and Charlie Brown, be over all your heads?! WTF?!

There definitely are patterns in life that cannot be explained by chance. Why is this over your heads? Strange. Is it because men do not like the idea of invisible agents outside of their control? If so, how can you guys blot it out of your heads with cognitive dissonance, yet I rail about it all the time? LOL

New Agers would say that Murphy's Law is either due to karma or your negative attitude which manifests psychically in your life as an invisible agent. Maybe so. I don't know. But at least it is real and it does exist. Why do many of you not accept or acknowledge that?

Moreover, regarding coincidences, there are many great minds who say that coincidences do not even exist. For example, physicist David Bohm, a protege of Einstein, termed what he called the "implicate order" stating that coincidences are a higher form of order that the mind cannot perceive. How is it that I am the only guy who knows about stuff like this? Do you guys know nothing of metaphysics? Have you never even read the book "The Holographic Universe"? I thought you guys were truth seekers?

Here's something interesting and spooky:

Long ago several psychics told me that I had twin souls inside me, or other souls in me. Maybe that explains why I always feel that something within me is always countermanding my wishes. For example, I want to leave the US badly, but another part of me wants me to stay, countermanding my wishes. It's like there are two me's. The other is another self, or perhaps an inner demon, that goes against my conscious intentions. So if I want to do one thing, it will want the opposite.

Maybe none of you can relate to this. That's too bad. I would have thought that some of you could.

Most people are not that lucky. They are plagued by many streaks of bad luck. Even successful people have lots of bad luck early on in life. So I expected more sympathy here. Instead, you are all in denial and changing the subject. Maybe I overestimated you. :::::::::: shaking head :::::::::::

Either way, can you guys PLEASE read the links above so that you will at least UNDERSTAND what Murphy's Law is? I'm tired of you guys not getting it and twisting it into something else, like bad decisions or something you can control. You just aren't getting it. So please READ the above links and familiarize yourself with what I mean by Murphy's Law ok?! OK?!

Remember: Denying, dismissing or ignoring Murphy's Law does NOT explain it away. So stop falsely assuming that it does.

Haven't you guys heard of these quotes:

"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't." - Mark Twain

"There are more things in heaven and earth Horatio than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare, Hamlet

"The universe is not only stranger than we imagine. It is stranger than we CAN imagine." - Sir Arthur Eddington English astronomer

Do you understand what these quotes mean? If so, why do you act like arrogant know it alls? Why don't you humble yourselves? Why do you act like there are no mysteries or unexplained phenomenon in life? I don't understand. Can you guys explain sincerely and logically?
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Post by Banano » April 5th, 2014, 3:46 pm

At an intersection, if I don't know which way to turn, and I take a guess, I make the wrong turn 90 percent of the time. A 50/50 chance theoretically should not be wrong 90 percent of the time.


Winnie,
We could use bad luck to profit, if you getting 50/50 chances wrong 90% of the time then you are goldmine!!

We can test that on a roulette table, single 0 if that is available in Vegas.
You will bet $10 on either red/black and I'll be betting $50 against you.
According to your claims you will lose 90% of time plus 2.7% house advantage but that also means I'll be winning 90% of the time.

We share profit 50/50

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Post by Winston » April 5th, 2014, 5:25 pm

Banano wrote:At an intersection, if I don't know which way to turn, and I take a guess, I make the wrong turn 90 percent of the time. A 50/50 chance theoretically should not be wrong 90 percent of the time.


Winnie,
We could use bad luck to profit, if you getting 50/50 chances wrong 90% of the time then you are goldmine!!

We can test that on a roulette table, single 0 if that is available in Vegas.
You will bet $10 on either red/black and I'll be betting $50 against you.
According to your claims you will lose 90% of time plus 2.7% house advantage but that also means I'll be winning 90% of the time.

We share profit 50/50
Haha. That's funny. But it doesn't always work that way. Murphy's Law is not consistent. It can turn on anyone it likes. So if you did that for example, it might make my guesses start being right, and then you will lose money.

Murphy's Law is not raw energy you can control. It turns against you. That's why it's called Murphy's Law.

Are you saying you've never experienced it? You've never had a pattern of coincidences go against you a lot?

Why don't you tempt Murphy's Law and next time you drive, do not bring your license with you. If a cop pulls you over the one time you forget your license, then that's Murphy's Law. lol
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Post by Winston » April 22nd, 2014, 10:13 am

To those of you who don't believe in Murphy's Law, Bad Luck, Jinxes and Curses:

I have some examples for you to think about. These examples are negative and kind of depressing, so positive attitude junkies will not like this and may want to avoid it.

Americans, New Agers and Atheists do not like the idea of curses or bad luck. Here's why: Americans are hung on having a positive attitude and on believing that they are in control of their destiny and have free will. They see such things as too negative and they do not like believing in things they can't control. They prefer to believe that they are "the captain of their fate" so they are biased against such things as bad luck, curses, jinxes and fate. But the Chinese, on the other hand, have believed in curses and bad luck for thousands of years. As we all know, Chinese are shrewd clever people and would not believe in something for no reason. There is truth is all beliefs. Nothing is 100 percent false.

New Agers are similarly biased against bad luck and curses because they prefer to believe that everything in life come from our thoughts and beliefs and are thus controllable. They also do not like negative beliefs. Their gospel of the "Law of Attraction" states that thoughts/beliefs create reality, thus negative events in life can only come from negative thoughts, not from some external bad luck, curses or jinxes.

Atheists, of course, do not believe in anything outside of materialistic science and are biased against the unknown, mysterious and unexplained, which makes them uncomfortable. They hate mystery and need everything to be explainable, controllable and fit into materialistic paradigms. Thus they do not accept any supernatural or metaphysical realities and dimensions, and reject them with a knee jerk reaction.

Anyway, here are some examples that none of the above types can explain:

- Why is it that my back always itches in the spot that's HARDEST to reach and scratch? There is some force that deliberately tries to make such things difficult, even in trivial things.

- Why is it that in American custom, many people like to say "break a leg" rather than "good luck"? It's because when you say "good luck" to someone, it often invokes Murphy's Law, which gives them the opposite result. After a while, people figured that out and so they started saying the opposite in order to try to flip Murphy's Law around. So if they want to wish someone good luck, they say "break a leg". It's an attempt to manipulate this unknown force known as Murphy's Law.

- Sports newscasters have mentioned jinxes before. For example, in professional tennis, when a host covering a match says that X player is serving very well today, immediately afterward the player double faults, as if Murphy's Law just had to prove them wrong. The hosts in tennis have even joked about this, because it commonly happens.

- How come when you say you are good at something, or the best, someone soon beats you? No matter how good you are, if you brag about something, Murphy's Law will come and prove you wrong and humble you.

- When I was in Russia, whenever I wrote trip reports and sent them out, it would jinx things and things would start to go wrong. But if I kept my affairs secret, they went a lot better. How come? Perhaps this is the reason why many people do not want their stories to go public. It sort of jinxes you when you publicize your life.

- How come when everything is going great in all areas of life, some big downfall is coming? Even the super positive New Age guru Dr. Wayne Dyer mentioned this in his audio lecture "Four Pathways to Success".

Historical examples of inexplicable curses that can't be denied:

The Bruce Lee family curse

This is one of the most eerie and chilling examples of family curses. If you don't believe in curses, then consider these facts and details that combined will make a believer out of anyone:

- Bruce Lee himself died in a most inexplicable and unusual manner -- cerebral edema from a headache pill. Who do you know who has died from a headache pill? No one probably. Even if you take the most unhealthy person in the world and give them 20 headache pills, he would probably not die from it. Yet Bruce Lee was in top shape, health and condition, and one of the fiercest martial artists in the world. So his "death by misadventure" (labeled on his autopsy certificate, which says nothing), though physiologically possible, makes no sense. He is probably the only famous actor in history to have ever died that way.

- His son Brandon Lee died in an even more inexplicable way that science can't really explain. He is the ONLY person in 100 years of American movie history to have died from being hit by a real bullet on a movie set. That has NEVER happened before or since, and should NEVER happen. What are the odds that BOTH father and son have such totally inexplicable deaths that make no sense and are unprecedented? Very astronomical!

The police were baffled by this incident and could only conclude that a bullet tip lodged in the barrel of the prop gun, which they called a "projectile", was what killed him. They concluded that a series of improbable events and coincidences, which went against standard protocol, happened at the same time to cause this tragic accident. It was bad luck for sure. The problem with this is that a bullet tip lodged in a barrel of a handgun will not come out with the full force of a bullet. It would simply pop out like a cork in a champagne bottle, and not do much damage. Ballistics experts could not replicate what happened under the same conditions. But the police had no other explanation and could not find any suspects that had the means or motive to kill him.

- What you have to keep in mind is that Bruce Lee's family themselves believed they were cursed by evil spirits long ago. They knew about their curse long ago. In fact, when Bruce Lee was born, they gave him a girl's name to try to ward off the evil spirits that sought to take newborn sons. The fact that they felt the curse and knew about it, and then it actually manifested several times in their lives, is very strong evidence that there was something to it.

- Besides Bruce and Brandon Lee, there were other family victims of the curse. Bruce Lee's older brother died mysteriously as an infant. And his father died in his 60's under strange circumstances too. All of this taken together indicates a curse or bad luck from external metaphysical entities was very evident.

- In fact, what's super chilling is that Bruce Lee had a dream where an evil spirit told him that his father would live to 66 and he would only live to be half of that, 33, which is exactly what happened in reality. This not only further corroborates the curse, but is very bone chilling as well.

All the above combined strongly point to a real curse in the Lee family, no matter how strange the notion may seem. We have to accept that many things in life can't be explained by mere coincidence or mundane science. Even in Astrology, there are repeatable patterns that defy chance and coincidence. This was proven and documented by the work of Michel Gauquelin in the 1950's. (The Skeptical Inquirer tried to debunk Gauquelin's work but ended up validating it instead, which they attempted to cover up. Google "Dennis Rawlins Starbaby".)

See this Cracked article about the Lee family curse:
http://www.cracked.com/article_20024_5- ... pened.html

The Kennedy family curse

- Besides the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy and his brother Robert Kennedy, and the mysterious plane crash of JFK Jr, there were many other Kennedy family members that fell victim to strange accidents and bad luck as well. Thus their family is alleged to be cursed.

See here for a list of Kennedy family tragedies and curses:

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/kennedytimeline.html
http://www.listal.com/list/the-kennedy-family-curse
http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-the-kennedy-curse.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_curse

In addition, the list of eerie synchronicities between Lincoln and Kennedy is remarkable as well.

http://www.school-for-champions.com/his ... olnjfk.htm
http://www.buzzfeed.com/briangalindo/10 ... john-f-ken

Physicist David Bohm, a protege of Einstein, said that there was no such thing as coincidences, and that everything, including random events, have a higher order you can't see, which he called the "implicate order".

The Titanic curse

The famous Titanic disaster of 1912 is not just a mere accident. When you investigate it, it's a lot stranger than you think. The Smithsonian Institute re-investigated the incident in their documentary "Titanic's Final Mystery": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9fL7XiFeAA

They concluded that the Titanic did not have any design flaws nor was it made of lower quality materials, as some have suspected. It was made of the finest metal and rivets, and adhered to the highest safety standards. Its 16 compartments could be flooded in four compartments yet stay afloat. So it should have survived the collision with the iceberg. The collision should not have flooded five compartments.

The Titanic seemed to be set up in a "kill zone". As with the Brandon Lee incident, many improbable bad coincidences occurred at the same time to bring the tragedy forth. If even one of them had not happened, the whole thing would have been avoided. It seemed destined by the hand of fate, or God.

The Titanic incident never made any sense, because theoretically it should not have happened the way it did. Yet it was meant to, it seems. It's as if fate overrided logic and science that night.

What's even odder is that the Titanic sinking seems to have been predicted (precognition) 14 years earlier in precise detail in 1898 in Morgan Robertson's novel "Futility" in which the ship "The Titan" sunk in exactly the same way. Both the fictional ship Titan and the real Titanic shared the following similarities: They were the same size, carried very few lifeboats, was declared "unsinkable", hit an iceberg in April at around midnight 400 miles off of Newfoundland, etc.

See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futility,_ ... _the_Titan
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/04/14/aut ... s-earlier/
http://io9.com/5900083/the-novella-that ... he-titanic
http://www.gettysburgghosts.net/titan.htm
http://www.cracked.com/article_18421_6- ... pened.html

More examples of eerie curses documented on Cracked:
https://www.google.com/#q=cracked.com+curses

So you see, there are historical examples of curses that don't seem to fit coincidence. Repeatable patterns exist that defy chance. Astrology is one proven example, as documented and proven by Michel Gauquelin in the 1950's. (The Skeptical Inquirer tried to debunk Gauquelin's work but ended up validating it instead, which they attempted to cover up. Google "Dennis Rawlins Starbaby".) We can't explain such things. A higher order of things beyond our perception does seem to exist. All we can do is accept that there are mysteries and "higher orders" of things, as physicist David Bohm stated.

Left brained Atheists that can't accept the existence of mysteries and metaphysical realities, such as Richard Dawkins, Michael Shermer, Sam Harris, and our own Momopi, need to understand this and take heed of the following truisms:

"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't." - Mark Twain

"There are more things in heaven and earth Horatio than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Shakespeare, Hamlet

"The universe is not only stranger than we imagine. It is stranger than we CAN imagine." - Sir Arthur Eddington English astronomer
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Post by Winston » April 22nd, 2014, 11:38 am

It would seem that I may either have an entropy curse or a binding curse.

http://thepuck.hubpages.com/hub/Simple- ... e-beginner
1. The entropy or chaos curse: This spell causes probabilities to vastly tend to do the target harm, ranging from bad luck to death. The trademark of this curse is that there is no rhyme or reason to the harm caused, it just results from things generally "going wrong". If a whole string of things keep going spectacularly and improbably wrong, there is a good chance there is an entropy curse at work.

2. The binding: This spell causes an inability to act in the target. It may manifest psychologically as depression or anxiety, or it may operate by simply making none of your plans come to anything. If you find yourself drastically unable to act upon your choices in the world, then you might be under a binding.
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