Cornfed wrote:Being a man means that I have ~ 6 times the grey matter of you insect-brained females and don't think any hysterical hormone-driven emotions I happen to have define reality. That is an advantage in creative pursuits.lmd12358 wrote:This is one of the most sexist and frankly annoying posts I have ever seen.
First off, being a male does not give you some special advantage in writing computer software. None.
This has no scientific standing whatsoever and I'd love to see your proof. And 'i read it in an article at one point' is never proof.
Fine, then you should be able to answer an earlier question in this thread and list a few females who are well known coders of open source software. That is the acid test of course, because while whorporations can hire female "programers" just because they have a v****a, to be well known in open source software you have to actually write workable code. You could also list innovative programs the females you mention have actually written, rather than just talk about what they are nominally hired to do.I can list many, many women that I know, personally and professionally, who are excellent programmers.
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What BS, I was simply stating the obvious, as some of the posters here read feminist conspiracy in every single fact of life that affects either, or both genders. It is a fact that women would rather spend their free time taking care of their families or themselves, shopping or involved in some sort of leisurely outdoor activity. I see this happen everywhere in the world, and across different generations as well. Assuming there are very few full-time open source programmers, if you're a professional developer like me, you should know that putting after-office hours to code up something decent that the wider community will benefit free of charge requires not only idealism (which, agreeing with you, is indeed cross-gender) but the time and willingness to spend evenings and weekend sitting in front of your PC, writing code, reading tech reference books, solving challenges, interacting with your peers via forums and e-mail, etc.
Women just don't tend to have the predisposition, the time and willingness to do just that in their spare time. The call of duty from being mothers, wives, or just vain(er) individuals, is just too strong. That, to me, is a quite self-evident proof of why the OS community doesn't sport so many ladies. Within the boundaries of office time, where one's best effort is rewarded by a monthly paycheck, it's a different ball game, where women are indeed a minority, yet do thrive and can show their talents.
Just to wrap what has become a tired thread. I don't agree that the participation in the open source community is a such an important marker of quality of women as software programmers. If one is smart, he or she needs to feel free to show his/her potential as and when he/she fits. In fact, some of the best dev/architects I know in my industry spend little more than their office hours coding, and have a very rich social/personal life beyond work.
While this article is vomitsomely politically correct, it does prove the point about grey matter.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 100142.htm
What exactly are you trying to prove here, my deranged friend?
From the first paragraph...
The study shows women having more white matter and men more gray matter related to intellectual skill, revealing that no single neuroanatomical structure determines general intelligence and that different types of brain designs are capable of producing equivalent intellectual performance.
What you find "vomitsomely PC" is probably the main conclusion of the article, that using gray/white matter ratio as a marker of intelligence is...inconclusive. So a petite woman whose brain size is maybe 80 or 90% that of a giant man is doomed to be dumber than said giant? No evidence, either factual or experiential!
Call me a new-age idealist, but I like to lean on the "spiritualist" interpretation of conscience and human intellectual abilities as given by an immaterial soul connected to said brain no more no less the way a power cord to its source, or an antenna tuned to a radio station. With that in mind (no pun intended), it's blatantly obvious that a small radio tuned to a quality station is better than a massive one only picking up random noise.
I know a lot of girls successfully coding, the other thing is that there are really few of them. Programming is a rather specific kind of profession, requires long concentration and perfect logic thinking I guess. A friend of mine (girl, 24) is a great coder, develops iOS apps and earns good money (taking into account app development cost). I think there are so few women in IT industry because lack of motivation and interest, just like at auto service and plumbing businesses.