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Saving HTML from Modern Culture

Post by fschmidt » January 28th, 2015, 1:54 am

All technology is going to hell because modern culture sucks and ruins everything it touches. I started working on a simpler way of serving websites but I realized that HTML itself has been ruined by all the insane pointless technological nonsense that has been added over the years. So I am working with my partner on saving HTML from modern culture using Bootstrap as the underlying technology. We just started yesterday. Here is where we are working:

http://www.simplyhtml.org/
http://simply-html.1115333.n5.nabble.com/

Feel free to post to the forum if you want to help save HTML from modern culture.
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Re: Saving HTML from Modern Culture

Post by starchild5 » January 28th, 2015, 3:52 am

fschmidt wrote:All technology is going to hell because modern culture sucks and ruins everything it touches. I started working on a simpler way of serving websites but I realized that HTML itself has been ruined by all the insane pointless technological nonsense that has been added over the years. So I am working with my partner on saving HTML from modern culture using Bootstrap as the underlying technology. We just started yesterday. Here is where we are working:

http://www.simplyhtml.org/
http://simply-html.1115333.n5.nabble.com/

Feel free to post to the forum if you want to help save HTML from modern culture.
That's amazing...

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Re: Saving HTML from Modern Culture

Post by droid » January 28th, 2015, 10:33 pm

I hear your plight, but, isn't adding yet-another-framework counterproductive?
Unless WC3 takes your ideas -clean slate- and makes them native...
I'm not uber expert on html though.

On this subject, if we could visualize all the junk/baggage that Windows carries at an exponential rate (mulit-Gigs)...
1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
2)Everybody is full of it. What's your hypocrisy?

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Re: Saving HTML from Modern Culture

Post by fschmidt » January 28th, 2015, 10:42 pm

droid wrote:I hear your plight, but, isn't adding yet-another-framework counterproductive?
Unless WC3 takes your ideas -clean slate- and makes them native...
I'm not uber expert on html though.
Obviously any standard defined by modern culture is going to be bad. That includes HTML5. What we are doing is making a usable layer on top of the existing junk. So unlike other frameworks that just add to the junk, we hide the junk. To see what I mean, go to http://www.simplyhtml.org/ and view the HTML source.
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Re: Saving HTML from Modern Culture

Post by droid » January 28th, 2015, 11:15 pm

Makes sense, i'm just saying you still have the junk underneath unfortunately :cry: . And then you have to maintain the framework for any 'junk' changes. What i'm getting at is that it's yet one more think the developer has to learn and marry to, with the risk of losing all (?) should you not continue with proper updates in the future.
I haven't done super complex sites, so maybe that's why I'm not seeing it.
I mean, I'm talking general terms, don't think i'm trying to bash your project.
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Re: Saving HTML from Modern Culture

Post by fschmidt » January 28th, 2015, 11:27 pm

droid, what you are saying applies to any software tool. We are building on Bootstrap and jQuery which are very popular and hide the browser specific issues. So we are fairly safe. For our users, we are starting with old HTML and adding as little as possible which means that there isn't much to learn. For someone who knows HTML from 10 years ago, when it was still simple, and wants to build a modern website, we are the easiest way to go. In fact this was the need since I don't know CSS and Javascript very well and I want to develop websites by myself. The guy who knows some HTML but isn't an expert is exactly the audience we are trying to address. Without our tool, he will make a site that clearly looks outdated. With our tool, he can make a site that looks modern and works on mobile.

We will also have an easy to use server side which I developed myself. It is under development here:

https://code.google.com/p/luan-java/
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Re: Saving HTML from Modern Culture

Post by droid » January 28th, 2015, 11:37 pm

Good explanation, thanks
fschmidt wrote:hide the browser specific issues
Particularly nice
fschmidt wrote:The guy who knows some HTML but isn't an expert
that would be me lol
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Re: Saving HTML from Modern Culture

Post by fschmidt » January 8th, 2016, 1:20 am

onethousandknives wrote:http://motherfuckingwebsite.com
Yes pages from the 1990s work fine for static content like this, but they don't work for something like a forum.

I have spent a lot more time on this issue. First, Bootstrap sucks. I should have known, it's modern technology and hosted on GitHub, hub of modern techno-shit. What I realized is that straight CSS with minimal HTML is fine as long as one breaks all the rules. I don't need a special tool like "simplyhtml". I don't use classes at all, I just use attributes that I make up and then select for those attributes in CSS. For example, if I want small text, then my CSS file contains:

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[small-text] {
	font-size: small;
}
and my HTML is like:

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<p>Here is some <span small-text>smaller text</span>.</p>
This is simple and readable. And it violates all the modern rules of HTML, which means it must be right.
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Re: Saving HTML from Modern Culture

Post by droid » January 8th, 2016, 6:15 am

onethousandknives wrote:http://motherfuckingwebsite.com
^^Fantastic!! :D
Shit's legible and gets your f***ing point across (if you had one instead of just 5mb pics of hipsters drinking coffee)
+1 :lol: :lol:
This entire page weighs less than the gradient-meshed facebook logo on your f***ing Wordpress site. Did you seriously load 100kb of jQuery UI just so you could animate the f***ing background color of a div? You loaded all 7 fontfaces of a shitty webfont just so you could say "Hi." at 100px height at the beginning of your site? You piece of shit.
+1 :!:
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