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Science Says: There Is No Such Thing As Race!

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Science Says: There Is No Such Thing As Race!

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Re: Science Says: There Is No Such Thing As Race!

Post by ladislav » July 14th, 2015, 2:57 am

Let those scientists get beat up a few times and maltreated in other ways, then, they'll talk differently.
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Re: Science Says: There Is No Such Thing As Race!

Post by Ghost » July 14th, 2015, 3:51 am

All humans alive today belong to the same species (can procreate and produce viable offspring.) No question about that. That is not the same as saying the races are equal. Equality is a (false) social construct, to borrow a term from feminists.
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Re: Science Says: There Is No Such Thing As Race!

Post by Jonny Law » July 14th, 2015, 3:59 pm

This dude is a f***ing faggot. Anyone who takes him seriously is also a faggot.

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Re: Science Says: There Is No Such Thing As Race!

Post by ladislav » July 15th, 2015, 6:25 pm

Let him into some rough neighborhoods in the US and let him hear a few expletives. Then, he should show his videos to the people who are calling him names.
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Re: Science Says: There Is No Such Thing As Race!

Post by pandabear » July 15th, 2015, 7:02 pm

Jonny Law wrote:This dude is a f***ing faggot. Anyone who takes him seriously is also a faggot.
Ad hominem fallacy?

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Re: Science Says: There Is No Such Thing As Race!

Post by pandabear » July 15th, 2015, 7:06 pm

ladislav wrote:Let him into some rough neighborhoods in the US and let him hear a few expletives. Then, he should show his videos to the people who are calling him names.
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Re: Science Says: There Is No Such Thing As Race!

Post by pandabear » July 15th, 2015, 8:11 pm

pandabear wrote:
Jonny Law wrote:This dude is a f***ing faggot. Anyone who takes him seriously is also a faggot.
Ad hominem fallacy?
To elaborate: having one opinion or another on the scientific evidence for "race" does not make one a "f***ing faggot." Rather, a "f***ing faggot" is one who inserts his penis into another man's rectum.

The statement "This dude is a f***ing faggot. Anyone who takes him seriously is also a faggot" is clear evidence of a remarkably low level of intelligence. For those who adhere to the theory that skin tone is an indicator of intelligence: your statement reflects extremely poorly upon the people who have levels of skin pigmentation that are similar to yours.

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Re: Science Says: There Is No Such Thing As Race!

Post by Cornfed » July 16th, 2015, 7:11 am

Ghost wrote:All humans alive today belong to the same species (can procreate and produce viable offspring.) No question about that.
Your statement is a tautology of course, but if we take you as meaning that all entities commonly defined as human (excluding chimps and orangutans now defined as human by some courts) are the same species because they are reproductively compatible, this doesn't make sense. As I have pointed out, various animals we would define separate species can if fact produce viable offspring, e.g. polar bears and grizzly bears, and how would we categorize organisms that reproduce asexually? Also there is good evidence that hominids were in fact genetically engineered, and it would likely be easy to engineer species that had quite different attributes but similar reproductive processes, thus leading to different species that produced viable offspring.

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Re: Science Says: There Is No Such Thing As Race!

Post by Moretorque » July 16th, 2015, 2:50 pm

Cornfed wrote:
Ghost wrote:All humans alive today belong to the same species (can procreate and produce viable offspring.) No question about that.
Your statement is a tautology of course, but if we take you as meaning that all entities commonly defined as human (excluding chimps and orangutans now defined as human by some courts) are the same species because they are reproductively compatible, this doesn't make sense. As I have pointed out, various animals we would define separate species can if fact produce viable offspring, e.g. polar bears and grizzly bears, and how would we categorize organisms that reproduce asexually? Also there is good evidence that hominids were in fact genetically engineered, and it would likely be easy to engineer species that had quite different attributes but similar reproductive processes, thus leading to different species that produced viable offspring.
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It's all perscripted and started with the mapping of the human genome, then they had Bill Clinton announce we are all the same back in 2000 or 99. Then came 9/11 as the pretext event for their master plan for the 21st century, very diabolical indeed.
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Re: Science Says: There Is No Such Thing As Race!

Post by Ghost » July 16th, 2015, 3:35 pm

Cornfed wrote:
Ghost wrote:All humans alive today belong to the same species (can procreate and produce viable offspring.) No question about that.
Your statement is a tautology of course, but if we take you as meaning that all entities commonly defined as human (excluding chimps and orangutans now defined as human by some courts) are the same species because they are reproductively compatible, this doesn't make sense. As I have pointed out, various animals we would define separate species can if fact produce viable offspring, e.g. polar bears and grizzly bears, and how would we categorize organisms that reproduce asexually? Also there is good evidence that hominids were in fact genetically engineered, and it would likely be easy to engineer species that had quite different attributes but similar reproductive processes, thus leading to different species that produced viable offspring.
Well, if we're getting into the idea that humans were genetically engineered by aliens, then I can't comment on that. That speculation is too rampant and unfalsifiable, unless ET wants to return and do some explaining.

Perhaps species is too narrowly defined. If two different "species" can procreate and produce viable offspring, I don't see how we could say that they are truly different. Or at least not different enough that it matters in practical terms. So I guess it's more like a sliding scale with no harsh separation from species to species if they are similar enough. If other species of human hominids were alive today, it might be clearer. Humans have culture, though, and this throws a wrench into things. Blacks are generally less intelligent than whites, but there are exceptions, so the capability is there. It's not like gorillas or chimps that have a low limit to the human things they can learn. Anyway, mainstream science apparently isn't so sure about what constitutes different species either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_problem
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Re: Science Says: There Is No Such Thing As Race!

Post by Ghost » July 16th, 2015, 3:38 pm

Cornfed wrote:
Ghost wrote:All humans alive today belong to the same species (can procreate and produce viable offspring.) No question about that.
Your statement is a tautology of course, but if we take you as meaning that all entities commonly defined as human (excluding chimps and orangutans now defined as human by some courts) are the same species because they are reproductively compatible, this doesn't make sense. As I have pointed out, various animals we would define separate species can if fact produce viable offspring, e.g. polar bears and grizzly bears, and how would we categorize organisms that reproduce asexually? Also there is good evidence that hominids were in fact genetically engineered, and it would likely be easy to engineer species that had quite different attributes but similar reproductive processes, thus leading to different species that produced viable offspring.
Well, if we're getting into the idea that humans were genetically engineered by aliens, then I can't comment on that. That speculation is too rampant and unfalsifiable, unless ET wants to return and do some explaining.

Perhaps species is too narrowly defined. If two different "species" can procreate and produce viable offspring, I don't see how we could say that they are truly different. Or at least not different enough that it matters in practical terms. So I guess it's more like a sliding scale with no harsh separation from species to species if they are similar enough. If other species of human hominids were alive today, it might be clearer. Humans have culture, though, and this throws a wrench into things. Blacks are generally less intelligent than whites, but there are exceptions, so the capability is there. It's not like gorillas or chimps that have a low limit to the human things they can learn. Anyway, mainstream science apparently isn't so sure about what constitutes different species either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_problem
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Re: Science Says: There Is No Such Thing As Race!

Post by pandabear » July 18th, 2015, 10:28 pm

I remember seeing something that species have to be removed by at least 2 million years for them no longer to be able to produce viable offspring. Hybridization can happen among closely-related primate species:
http://messybeast.com/genetics/hybrid-primates.htm

There is an area in Ethiopia where Guinea and Hamadryas baboons (two distince species) have formed hybrid groups

http://link.springer.com/article/10.102 ... .dc#page-1

And, shortly after leaving Africa, our ancestors started interbreeding with the Neanderthals they encountered. Africans are genetically pure Homo sapiens, and we non-Africans are the "hybrid mutants."

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