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Why Does Society Look Down On Unemployed Men So Much?

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Post by djfourmoney » October 17th, 2012, 7:21 pm

NorthAmericanguy wrote:Check this out guys:

"Today’s economic landscape is difficult for the entire population, but in many ways, women are faring better than men. In our ongoing recession, men have lost more jobs than women. "The unemployment rate for men, 11.4%, based on seasonally adjusted data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, outpaces the rate for women, 8.8%." Wall Street Journal 11/29/09. "As of the end of October, the U.S. had lost 7.3 million jobs in this Great Recession. Men account for 5.3 million of that loss
." WSJ 11/29/09.



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Common sense would tell you women are doing better. When GM, Chrysler and Ford announced plant closures who do you think that affected? When DHL closed its operations in I believe Ohio in late 2008, who do you think that impacted?

When housing slowed in 2006 on news of saturated market, men started losing their construction jobs.

When a few of the big investment banks closed their doors (Bear-Stearns) and women lost their jobs, many of them turned to stripping in high end clubs.

Women were not impacted as much. Only poor women with children were impacted and under attack from largely White conservative men.

Women make up I think its 86% of the "Pink" Economy (Teachers, Nurses, Social Workers, etc, etc, etc) and safe for some general lay offs around the country, most women especially RN's are working more hours than ever and getting more pay than ever. Its not uncommon for a RN to be earning near $80,000 with overtime.

We need hospitals and schools where most of the employees are women in well-paying jobs.

Teacher in California with about 10 years experience makes $50,000+ in public schools and likely more in private schools.

What men haven't adjusted too (I don't blame them fully anyway...) is this information/knowledge economy. A man's brawn is going to be needed less and less as we move forward. High Skilled labor seldom requires physical strength, but with the housing boom, who need a college degree? The average construction worker was making $35,000 with only a HS diploma or LESS. Most are making more, Crane Operator makes $50-60K. My best friend Doug is a Forman and makes 90K a year.

You can get most Computer related jobs with a 2 year AS available at any community college at affordable prices. That's just one example...

I have looked at my options and feel my best option is to earn money online instead of the traditional way (offline) because I want the flexibility of living wherever I want.

What men have to do is look at that they love to do and become an expert/authority. Unfortunately I think we're moving in a direction of a bunch of low paying service sector jobs, a narrow middle class filled with social outsourcing (party planners, wedding planners, child care), life coaches, personal trainers and those with technical expertise.

There will be a spike of manufacturing to some degree because we need our major industries to build new power stations, high speed rail, smart grid, broadband access, alternative energy, hybrids and full electric cars.

I think what all of us need to do is a combination of finding an income level you can afford and being frugal up to a point. Place less importance of ownership and more importance of life experiences.

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Post by momopi » November 8th, 2012, 11:00 pm

NorthAmericanguy wrote: What's funny Momopi, if you head East from Fullerton all the way out to Ontario all that area use to be farmland for cows and such.
You can still see some of the cows if you jump on the 57 in between Brea and Diamond Bar. And as a matter of fact, by my old bank they still have the old windmill from the early 1900's when the Diamond Bar area use to be a ranch depicted in your picture above.
As late as 1989, when I drove my parents to Irvine to look at houses, my parents were eyeing brand new 3 bedroom SFR for $140,000 and commenting: "ya new house is nice but why live in middle of a farm?"...

The sales staff back then were willing to give us discounts and kept calling us to see if we'd go back. 10 years later, in 1998, you couldn't buy a new home without putting deposit down ahead, and prices rose every month with people waiting in line to buy.

My buddy scored a 3 bed townhome for $250k in 1998, only because he was willing to camp overnight in line.

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Post by ILoveBlackAmericanWomen » December 20th, 2012, 10:35 pm

Men who are unemployed and not looking for employment is like a woman who can't cook, clean or raise children. What's his value? Men are the providers..the breadwinners. A working woman is great and all but when a couple marries the woman carries the children the woman nurses the baby biologically she should stay home with the children. It is important men work.
To be white or black - is to not be a human, but a living definition and label. To be a slave to definition, to fashion, to the industries that market us like cattle, emptying our pockets like the udders of the cow, being paid to cut our bodies for cosmetics, benefiting off of putting harsh chemicals on our heads, making money off of us choosing to live and participate in the reality they created. Don't be "black", don't be "white", don''t be "Asian", don't be "Latin." Destroy the illusion, become human.

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Re: Why Does Society Look Down On Unemployed Men So Much?

Post by MattHanson1990 » February 28th, 2015, 11:13 pm

It's ironic how society looks down on unemployed men, and at the same time it's now already becoming taboo for men to seek ANY work in the Matrix; more and more men are striking out in the job search while women are having no problems getting hired.

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Post by WorldTraveler » March 1st, 2015, 3:48 am

Taco wrote:When I first met my Filipina wife I was unemployed and she didn't care.

Why Does Society Look Down On Unemployed Men So Much?
http://investmentwatchblog.com/why-does ... n-so-much/
I would say if there is anyplace in the world that the average woman doesn't care if you have a job, it would have to be the Philippines. Many Filipio men don't have jobs. Many leech off their working wives. Also Philippines collects it's share of Western losers and drunks that just move there for the cheap beer. To all you guys that live in Phil are there a group of drunk foreigners that live in your town? There was where I lived.

I haven't read the article yet but will comment again after I do. I'd say the reason women look down on unemployed men is because they look down on men in general now in America! To them males over 35 are superfluous :!:

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Post by Yohan » March 1st, 2015, 6:30 am

DevilsAdvocate wrote: The USA is still the best country in the world hands down.....
While USA is surely not the worst place to live in this world, it is not the best country either. To claim USA is the best country in this world is a huge exaggeration.

USA has serious problems, check out its prison population, its racial related riots, problems related medical bills, the huge number of people living of welfare, jobless rate and questionable labor laws with little protection for employees, poor public transport system especially trains, there is also a communication problem existing among people who have difficulties to socialize, a ridiculous legal system which is the most costly of this world... Rich is one thing, but indebted is the other side of the story.

Economic problems continues and I was astonished to read that huge parts of a new SF-bridge are imported from China... USA is also known to be disliked for its policy to export wars to far away countries and forcing other nations to accept its moral standards as 'universal laws'.

I agree, citizens of many underdeveloped countries are worse off than US-citizens - but USA is not the best country of this world.

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Re: Why Does Society Look Down On Unemployed Men So Much?

Post by romparoo » March 1st, 2015, 8:25 am

Of all persons I know, everyone has a job after he or she tries hard enough. It can take a bit longer than expected due to the shitty economy, but no one I know had been jobless for more than 2 years. The job might not be fancy or has the most desirable pay rate, but it is something. Why would any woman wants a man who have been perpetually jobless? It speaks of complete lack of responsibility. Plus a job is to support oneself and build one's future. If a man cannot do that for his own good, then he has no reason to get a girl so to speak. Also, there are always grunt jobs in any countries, where you can just call or walk in and ask, then you start work tomorrow or next week. It's not great, but it open other possibilities.

People need to stop reading too much into statistics and just continue trying. Don't forget, one can change the statistic or be an outlier.

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Post by Cornfed » March 1st, 2015, 8:56 am

romparoo wrote:People need to stop reading too much into statistics and just continue trying. Don't forget, one can change the statistic or be an outlier.
Yup, that's just what the banksters who destroyed the economy in the first place and their sychophantic lickspittles want people to do.

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Post by Cornfed » March 1st, 2015, 9:17 am

romparoo wrote:Of all persons I know, everyone has a job after he or she tries hard enough. It can take a bit longer than expected due to the shitty economy, but no one I know had been jobless for more than 2 years. The job might not be fancy or has the most desirable pay rate, but it is something. Why would any woman wants a man who have been perpetually jobless? It speaks of complete lack of responsibility.
A reason you don't know any long term unemployed might be that they tend to fall off the radar, as they obviously wouldn't be encountered in the workplace and would not have the money to go out places. In general a lot of mystical bullshit is overlaid onto the job situation. It is a simple existential issue of whether there is a job that someone wants to give you. If there is, then getting it is generally fairly easy. If not then you can't have a job. This generally has nothing to do with any kind of moral assessment of your character. The employer is simply filling some idiot position, generally on the basis of objective reasons beyond one's control.

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Post by Yohan » March 1st, 2015, 11:34 am

romparoo wrote:Of all persons I know, everyone has a job after he or she tries hard enough. It can take a bit longer than expected due to the shitty economy, but no one I know had been jobless for more than 2 years. The job might not be fancy or has the most desirable pay rate, but it is something
To look around for up to 2 years to get a simple job? This sounds really to be a shitty economy. Like living in an African state. And what to do during these 2 years? Living of welfare or what? Understandable, some people prefer a carrier as a criminal. Better in jail than homeless...

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Post by fdiv » September 11th, 2018, 1:41 pm

DevilsAdvocate wrote:
September 30th, 2012, 12:33 am
DevilsAdvocate wrote:I went over to Russia to get a girl, never again, Russians and Americans are from different planets from each other.

Over in Philippines, same thing, different planets. In the Philippines if you don't own a fighting cock you're a loser of a person.

Another words, it's a whole other world....

When my Russian wife came over to San Diego to be with me, I taught her how to drive a car. And while I was teaching her she asked me "what are those red lights", I said "what red lights"? She said, "those red lights on the freeway in front of us", I said what red lights are you talking about????? She pointed and said "those red lights", as they flashed on when cars hit their brakes.

I looked at her is disbelief, could it really be possible she doesn't know what those red lights are? Is that possible?

She didn't know....

So while teaching her to drive in the parking lot I said go to the right, she said, "how"? I said "steer to the right", she said "how"? I said "turn the wheel to the right", she once again said "how"?

I said WTF???????????????

WTF???????????

WTF?????????????

"You don't know how to turn the wheel to the right"?

She said "no"....

This is only a very small example of what you're in for when you think about being with a foreign girl, you cannot begin to imagine how bad it truly is....


I bought her a brand new red sports car, she had it for about two weeks before she tried to take a freeway on ramp which made a 320 degree turn onto the freeway with a speed limit of 25 at the estimated speed by the highway patrol of about 80 mph....

She flipped the vehicle about 4 times....

She walked away without a scratch.....

The good news is after that I bought her another red sports car much more expensive and she didn't crash that one....

So they learn very quickly....

But these people from other countries like Russia and Philippines simply don't have the same kind of values that you would think they have, life is different to them and for them on a level that I don't think any of us could understand.

Life is far more cut throat to them.....

And they think nothing of cutting throat....

It's like survival to them.

While here in the USA it's just not like that for most people, the USA truly is the last best country in the world, the Empire of the World, a beacon of freedom and prosperity and hard work and values and morals and God....

Yes they have taken a great deal away from us and they have turned the women against us, but guess what, they are still women, and we are still men, go get yourself one and be her man....
Dude you need to refine your technique a little bit.

If you're gonna troll, and be GOOD at it, you at least have to have some subtlety about it.......
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Post by Will N. Dowd » September 11th, 2018, 5:28 pm

I haven't had a job in over 6 years now and I'm proud of it. People think because of that and because I buy and sell thrift store items online I'm poor. The opposite is true. I don't have a job because I own a condo and don't pay rent or mortgage. I have a lot of money saved and invested. I'm very thrifty and spend little money. I'm a minimalist and hate clutter so I own few items. I live like other smart rich people. I live in the same place I first bought 18 years ago, and don't give off the impression of being wealthy. I give off the impression of being thrifty and most people think that's because I'm poor.

I'm also proud that I failed high school math, dropped out of university after a year so have no worthless degree, yet always had a job for 20 years, paid off my mortgage in 8 years and retired at 40.

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Post by HouseMD » September 17th, 2018, 2:28 am

Will N. Dowd wrote:
September 11th, 2018, 5:28 pm
I haven't had a job in over 6 years now and I'm proud of it. People think because of that and because I buy and sell thrift store items online I'm poor. The opposite is true. I don't have a job because I own a condo and don't pay rent or mortgage. I have a lot of money saved and invested. I'm very thrifty and spend little money. I'm a minimalist and hate clutter so I own few items. I live like other smart rich people. I live in the same place I first bought 18 years ago, and don't give off the impression of being wealthy. I give off the impression of being thrifty and most people think that's because I'm poor.

I'm also proud that I failed high school math, dropped out of university after a year so have no worthless degree, yet always had a job for 20 years, paid off my mortgage in 8 years and retired at 40.
This guy gets it.

I could have retired in a few years if I had not gone to medical school. Had a two year degree that could net me six figures easy. Unfortunately I'm a dumbass idealist so I'm stuck on the threadmill a few more years

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Post by Neo » September 17th, 2018, 2:50 am

I stopped caring what people thought of me, my class, my person, my position in life, the way I look, long ago.

However, I do remember people always bashing men who lived in "their mother's basement." That's something I never understood, considering the price of real estate, and probably most of the men I knew still lived with their parents. In fairness, it was mostly online that I encountered this mentality. Then later on there were some stats published, which I read on ZeroHedge, which stated that somewhere around 35% of young adults live with their parents still. It must be common considering that the economy was so poor for so many of the previous years before Trump.

As for the remainder who don't live with their parents, I suppose a significant portion of them are simply renting rooms instead of their own apartments, from strangers; while others are living with roommates, either strangers or "friends." I don't know how that's any better than living with parents and staying in the basement or attic.

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Post by MrMan » September 17th, 2018, 4:25 am

I can't find the article, but I haven't noticed society looking down on unemployed men so much. I'm not in the dating market though. I'd imagine some single girls do. And I am not as sensitive to what people think of me as some people are.

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