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In this respect, I am like you. I use my real name and I don't care what anyone thinks of me. But I understand that not everyone feels this way. Just because someone is emotionally different from us and doesn't want to be publicly embarrassed is not a reason to conclude that they shouldn't be taken seriously. But the main point of my link was that these attacks were carried out by MGTOW-types. There is no justification for such personal attacks against anyone regardless of their views.
It is not clear who carries out all these attacks but there is plenty of spam, trolling etc. on the internet all the time.
It's not only about men's rights vs. feminism. Facebook is a good example for trolling and bullying.
If you want to do the dirty work concerning men's rights, you have to live with that. If you want to be taken seriously you have to come out of anonymity.
Everybody must decide for himself or herself, if he or she really wants that.
If a person is 'emotionally different' he or she has to look for another less exciting activity than creating internet forums/blogs,
eventually considering to write for a heavily moderated/censored website using a pseudonym and comments disabled.
If you write something which is not mainstream, especially in USA, and if your writing is in English, expect a lot of hateful troll-comments from everywhere. I can assure you it is much better if you use internet in other languages.
Compared to feminist hateful writings, attacks by outsiders of the MGTOW are by far less and often the result of scornful replies from feminists. I remember well Hugo Schwyzer, who is now somewhere in the loony bin under medication to escape charges for DUI.
He was attacked by men's rights advocates all the time, but let me say also for good reason, I do not feel sorry for him.
Attacks are simply said coming in your website, mailboxes, forums, blogs etc. all the time regardless on which site you are.
Why are you complaining about MGTOW advocates?
US-Feminists are not friendly people either. They attack men all the time, and in return their websites like those by the pro-feminist Manboobz-clown Davvy, are under persistent attack by men.
As I said, if you cannot live with negative comments, troll comments, comments belittling you etc. then better use the internet only for lurking.
As a longtime MGTOW, I can explain my feelings towards women.
Personally, I don't have a need for them at all in my life. Why? It's basically because I don't like sex, so I am not afflicted with the constant urge to date and/or pay for women's company. Frankly, when I get horny, I prefer to reach for porn and masturbation. It just feels way better than sex to me; it always has.
I can't say that I have a lot of experience with girls, but the experience I do have has led me to the conclusion that sex just isn't for me. Couple this with the fact that most women's personalities are at odds with mine, and you can see why it was a no-brainer for me to go MGTOW-- women have very little to offer me. It's been a bit of a blessing and a curse to be in my shoes.
I know this all sounds shocking (especially considering that I am a heterosexual male), but I suspect that there are many other men out there like me. They're just too ashamed to admit it.
Now, I'm not suggesting that most MGTOW's are like me. They're not. In fact, many MGTOW's are divorcees who've been battered by the divorce courts, and who are now bitter because of their experiences. They were normal, functional men until they got royally screwed by females. They came to MGTOW via a different path than I did.
I would say that only a small minority of MGTOW's are virgins. Virgins don't usually identify with MGTOW. They gravitate more towards incel/love shy forums, or they go the opposite extreme and get into PUA. Most men became MGTOW not because they don't have any experience with women, but because they have too much experience with them!
In what country?
What nationality gf?
I've heard that women in some places don't mind this, as long as not discussed openly.
Interesting point. This is how I see Christian monasticism in the Catholic West from the fall of Rome up through Charlemagne. I.e. during the "Dark Age", when central government had broken, invasions and raids were occurring.
Allowed "surplus" men, and women, to lead fulfilling lives, be of service to society via providing food, education, healing etc to the masses around them. Big difference is that they were not angry, they were still a funcioning part of society (except for true hermits, a rare exception).
Don't get me wrong, I get horny, just like everyone else. I'm also attracted to women, just like every other heterosexual guy. But I don't actually like the sex act, and (maybe because I have a bit of Asperger's) I don't like body contact. It makes me squeamish. I prefer to get off using masturbation rather than actual sex.
Like I stated before, being the way I am is both a blessing and a curse. It's a blessing because I don't need women, and I can be independent and go MGTOW without suffering too much from lack of female companionship; It's a curse because I am obviously missing out on one of the great pleasures of life that other men enjoy.
There is a problem with their logic. I saw a video from one MGTOW who had a desire to get married and had kids, but wouldn't do it because there are high divorce rates and divorce courts in the US favor women.
But a man can find the type of woman who is unlikely to divorce. He could also move to the Philippines where there is no divorce or Saudi Arabia, where the men have most of the rights.
I used to browse a lot on MGTOW boards. Not all of them support the 'ghost' lifestlyle. But some do, like outcastsuperstar. I think it's BS, why would I want to waste my life as a woman hating hermit when there's a whole world to explore. Sitting on my ass being bitter about the other sex is something I leave to feminazis, we should be above that.
As for p4p, it's not the be all end all like some here say. I'm a former monger myself and I can tell it's not what it's cracked up to be, it's just investing in a short amount of fun but you're still lonely and miserable afterwards.
LOLZZZZ all dem anti-p4pzzz must be virginz OMG LOLLLLLLLLLLl !!!!!!!!111111
Please, leave these juvenile insults to feminists, mkay ?
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Most men who are considering themselves as MGTOW are not women hating, but they do not want to have anything to do with feminists, Western women and similar BS anymore because of very bad experiences with them.
I myself for example, I am married since over 30 years and have 2 daughters and 1 fosterdaugher, of course not in USA or UK, and of couse not with a Western feminist-minded woman.
MGTOW is NOT about hating women, but to be against feminism. Feminists and manginas want to believe you this is the same, somewhat to tell you black and white are the same colors.
I cannot speak for other MGTOWS , but the ones I read on the MGTOWforum really take this thing way too far. Like someone else here siad they are the male equivalent of radical feminism.
I normally do not like to use feminist-style shame talk, but it would not surprise me if half those keyboard warriors secretly would love to have a girlfriend but are just bitter they cannot get any. Now I understand being rejected and dealing with toxic women is never fun, but to sit on your ass hating women is not getting you anywhre.
I even recall one such loser saying somehting like: 'thank god Im ugly so women leave me alone". You dont honestly expect me to believe that do you ?
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That's a core element of it, yes. A lot of it is insecure and cowardly guys who hide behind this "ideology" and use it as an excuse to stop trying. They tell themselves they are happy with their lives but it's merely a coping mechanism... it's easier to make yourself believe your are happy when you really aren't then to actually do something to improve your situation. It's a counterproductive and miserable way to live a life and it's kind of sad.
The entire MGTOW ideology just kind of rubs me the wrong way... I don't like to antagonize women too much, I don't like to advertise a lifestyle of solitude and loneliness and I dislike, above all, the defeatist attitude many of them have. Defeatism is never the way to go.