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The Heresy of Manginas Going The Other Way (MGTOW)

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Re: The Heresy of Manginas Going The Other Way;MGTOW

Post by Yohan » June 11th, 2016, 8:24 am

Adama wrote: You don't realize that most men would just want to raise their own children, rather than children who are the result of a divorce, or a fling the woman had with another man.
Might be to raise only their own children is the dream of men in USA, who in their own country do not have any other choice but to accept 'a proud single mother' and her offspring - as there is no other woman around them anymore. This seems to be especially true for black men dating black women.

However USA is not the world. Men in different parts of this world are not interested to think within the narrow-minded 'American dream of life' as you presume.

There are also men who bring children into their new relationship, as both, the husband and the children were abandoned by the wife and mother, and what about them? What will you say, if your girlfriend tells you she will only accept you if you get rid of your children, as she will only raise children born by herself?

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Re: The Heresy of Manginas Going The Other Way;MGTOW

Post by books » June 11th, 2016, 12:17 pm

MGTOW has been severely misrepresented by the OP.

I am not a MGTOW myself, but everyone knows this is what MGTOW stands for:

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Re: The Heresy of Manginas Going The Other Way;MGTOW

Post by Ghost » June 11th, 2016, 7:48 pm

It's just another tool in the playbook of Sterilize Everybody.

Not saying it isn't logical to ghost given this toxic social environment.

But MGTOWs aren't looking to win; they just don't want to lose.

Since there's no resistance, we'll all lose in the end.

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Re: The Heresy of Manginas Going The Other Way;MGTOW

Post by Adama » June 11th, 2016, 8:44 pm

books wrote:MGTOW has been severely misrepresented by the OP.

I am not a MGTOW myself, but everyone knows this is what MGTOW stands for:
Feminists have neat bumper stickers that call for equality too. But then you know, when you get down to what kind of laws feminists implement, and how the individual feminists feel about men, you'll find that the egalitarian philosophy is a front for true sociopaths who simply want to destroy men.

In other words, don't believe what they say on the surface.

These MGTOW are just the same as feminists. They don't want men and women to procreate; they are against marriage; they promote solitary lifestyles; and they hate other men (like lonely men, just ask Yohan). So you can believe their lies if you want to.

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Re: The Heresy of Manginas Going The Other Way;MGTOW

Post by Yohan » June 12th, 2016, 3:55 am

Adama wrote:... they hate other men (like lonely men, just ask Yohan). So you can believe their lies if you want to.
What a drivel is this by Adama. One time he says all MGTOWs are lonely losers, next time he writes MGTOWs hate all lonely men.... What should this mean?

There are countless comments in various MGTOW Forums which I have written since more than 15 years.

One major corner-point about MGTOW is to overcome any feeling of hate as a man.

It's not about others, it's about yourself. Hate is destructive, hate will harm yourself.

Hate goes so far, that some men full of hate and acting out of control will make their already bad situation much worse.
Some are getting violent, others commit suicide...

The first step to overcome 'hate' is to move on - move away from people who make your life a hell - go to somewhere else - as far away as possible, to another city or better even to another country - and start with entirely new people and CUT any connection to people you had contact before your relocation and never go back to that place again in your life.

I speak out of my personal experience, that's what I did almost 40 years ago, and I recommend any man in a similar bad situation to do the same. And yes, this is MGTOW, going your own way.

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Re: The Heresy of Manginas Going The Other Way;MGTOW

Post by Yohan » June 12th, 2016, 4:20 am

books wrote:MGTOW has been severely misrepresented by the OP.

I am not a MGTOW myself, but everyone knows this is what MGTOW stands for:

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Thanks for posting this informative image to correct such a ridiculous misrepresentation about MGTOW in this thread.

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Re: The Heresy of Manginas Going The Other Way;MGTOW

Post by Nomad » June 18th, 2016, 9:01 pm

Ghost wrote:It's just another tool in the playbook of Sterilize Everybody.

Not saying it isn't logical to ghost given this toxic social environment.

But MGTOWs aren't looking to win; they just don't want to lose.

Since there's no resistance, we'll all lose in the end.

I do believe MGTOW are playing into the hands of the-powers-that-be that want to lower world population for their agenda, BUT, MGTOW's are doing it so they themselves do not get destroyed. Lets get real here, it was women first who did the whole feminism thing. MGTOW is the logical response after 50 years of full on hate from the other sex.

What do you get when you mix misandric laws pushed by feminists with a unjust tyranical government? Hell for men, thats what.

For example, look at this website which shows suicide statics for the UK and tell me what you see.

http://www.samaritans.org/news/womens-s ... rates-rise

That's right, societys concern is that women's death has risen! Inspite of the fact that men literally have 3 times as many deaths, they only give a dam about the fact that women are dieing. Otherwise its business as usual!

MGTOW exists because society has pretty much put men at the back of the bus.

If people want to argue that MGTOW men are angry... tell me, how many more men and boys have to die from a society that doesn't care about them, before that anger is justified?

And its not just men dieing and no one giving a damn about it, in America, we abort 3,000 innocent children a day. Do you know how many people died during the 9/11 attacks? Around alittle bit above 3,000. 9/11 happens everyday in America for unborn children.

No one has to like MGTOW, but it has damn good reasons for existing! If I ever have sons, I already know that if they died, society wouldn't even blink a eye. They would just be another stat on the chart. But if I had a daughter and she died, suddenly there would be national outcries for her. It unjust and I hate it.

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Re: The Heresy of Manginas Going The Other Way;MGTOW

Post by Adama » June 18th, 2016, 10:57 pm

Any young man who subscribes to the nonsense of MGTOW will die alone childless, just like those feminists they claim to be against.

Anyone who thinks that slogan and advertisement is true is dumber than a box of rocks. If you have a functional brain you should realize that slogans mean nothing. It is what the actual people believe that counts. MGTOW are exactly as I described. They only pay lip service to those slogans. Deep down, it isn't even about any of that.

Besides that, if you need a Billboard to tell you that you shouldn't be a woman's protector, that you don't have to pay her bills, and that you're not a sex object for women, well then you were already an idiot.

Also, although MGTOW claim that women use them for sex objects (as if), you have most MGTOW who also only believe that women are useful for sex and nothing else. These hypocrites have no problem separating sex from the woman, treating women as disposable rather than as partners, even calling it F*ck 'n Chuck and that anything that flys, floats or f*cks should only be rented and never purchased (I remember Randall Shake / KhankrumtheBulgar writing this many times).

If you are an MGTOW and you aren't working for an intelligence agency, then you're a fool, and you will suffer from your own choices.

Just like the homosexual agenda. These fools and the feminists will fall prey to the same philosophy, just tweaked by changing switching the genders.

Women think they have success now, but when the end comes, women will go on the chopping block and get it worse than men have.

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Re: The Heresy of Manginas Going The Other Way;MGTOW

Post by Adama » June 18th, 2016, 11:07 pm

Nomad wrote:
Ghost wrote:It's just another tool in the playbook of Sterilize Everybody.

Not saying it isn't logical to ghost given this toxic social environment.

But MGTOWs aren't looking to win; they just don't want to lose.

Since there's no resistance, we'll all lose in the end.

I do believe MGTOW are playing into the hands of the-powers-that-be that want to lower world population for their agenda, BUT, MGTOW's are doing it so they themselves do not get destroyed. Lets get real here, it was women first who did the whole feminism thing. MGTOW is the logical response after 50 years of full on hate from the other sex.

What do you get when you mix misandric laws pushed by feminists with a unjust tyranical government? Hell for men, thats what.

For example, look at this website which shows suicide statics for the UK and tell me what you see.

http://www.samaritans.org/news/womens-s ... rates-rise

That's right, societys concern is that women's death has risen! Inspite of the fact that men literally have 3 times as many deaths, they only give a dam about the fact that women are dieing. Otherwise its business as usual!

MGTOW exists because society has pretty much put men at the back of the bus.

If people want to argue that MGTOW men are angry... tell me, how many more men and boys have to die from a society that doesn't care about them, before that anger is justified?

And its not just men dieing and no one giving a damn about it, in America, we abort 3,000 innocent children a day. Do you know how many people died during the 9/11 attacks? Around alittle bit above 3,000. 9/11 happens everyday in America for unborn children.

No one has to like MGTOW, but it has damn good reasons for existing! If I ever have sons, I already know that if they died, society wouldn't even blink a eye. They would just be another stat on the chart. But if I had a daughter and she died, suddenly there would be national outcries for her. It unjust and I hate it.
That's partly a feminist issue and part of it is just that men have always been cannon fodder for the elites. It is men who fight and die in wars, not women. I bring this up because men have always been the victims. Society does care for women more. It may have always been that way.

3,000 babies are aborted everyday. There were about six Catholics on the supreme court. If those supposedly religious people have allowed for abortion, what is it that a few thousand internet masturbaters are going to do to stop this? Do they think people don't already know this is going on?

Also, just be patient. Women are getting all the benefits now, but as things get worse, women are going to get it worse in the end than men. Women will have a lot more crimes to answer for, both the current women alive today and their children who survive in the future.

Besides that, this is more divide and conquer. Sure they are protecting themselves. They are also spreading a horrible ideology which virtually guarantees that young men will die alone. I am surprised more men don't hate them.

Wouldn't you expect any rational woman to hate the feminists? Wouldn't you be happy that there was some woman who wanted to remain a woman rather than accepting feminist crap? Why then do men accept feminism for men, known as MGTOW?

And although MGTOW claim they care for men, in reality they do not. Watch as any man gets destroyed in divorce. You will see many MGTOW posters respond with, "He deserved it." If you aren't noticing that, you are either willfully ignorant or just ignorant.

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Re: The Heresy of Manginas Going The Other Way;MGTOW

Post by Nomad » June 19th, 2016, 9:04 am

That's partly a feminist issue and part of it is just that men have always been cannon fodder for the elites. It is men who fight and die in wars, not women. I bring this up because men have always been the victims. Society does care for women more. It may have always been that way.
Exactly, it was always looked upon men to carry and take-care of women. The results? Inspite of men's physical strength, they die earlier and have more burdens to carry.
3,000 babies are aborted everyday. There were about six Catholics on the supreme court. If those supposedly religious people have allowed for abortion, what is it that a few thousand internet masturbaters are going to do to stop this? Do they think people don't already know this is going on?
I would normally say yes until I met Mark Dice. Google a few of his video's as he goes around asking Americans questions. At most they will know abortion is legal, but how many or why, they will not.
Also, just be patient. Women are getting all the benefits now, but as things get worse, women are going to get it worse in the end than men. Women will have a lot more crimes to answer for, both the current women alive today and their children who survive in the future.
I also agree with this, its only a matter of time before things get so bad for women, they HAVE to turn around and look at men to come "fix" the issue they created.
Besides that, this is more divide and conquer. Sure they are protecting themselves. They are also spreading a horrible ideology which virtually guarantees that young men will die alone. I am surprised more men don't hate them.
This I don't agree with. Dieing alone is not a man's fear, its a woman's fear. And lets also face it, there are some married men who's are in a sick state, and the wife left them so they will die alone inspite being married. Marriage is not a guarentee you will not die alone. Infact I think the opposite will happen. MGTOW men will focus on self-improvement (as they should), and their natural born skills will give them plenty of successes and wealth in life. This in turn will attract any mates they may desire in the future, should they choose go down that road. Considering all the full blown toxic misandry going on right now, I hardly advocate MGTOW should be avoided on the notion that "dieing alone sucks". Ask a few MGTOW men if they would rather die alone, or keep paying alimony & child support to a vengeful wife.
Wouldn't you expect any rational woman to hate the feminists? Wouldn't you be happy that there was some woman who wanted to remain a woman rather than accepting feminist crap? Why then do men accept feminism for men, known as MGTOW?
Men did not wake up one day and said "hey, I got a idea, lets hate women!". Most MGTOW men loved women, it was until they realized they were deceived which in turn made them angry, and bitter. They don't hate women without a cause. They hate women because they do not display any virtues. Do you hate child rapists? Do you hate murderers? Then tell me, why would a man love a woman who has cheated on him, robbed him of all his possesions and his children, and then shackled him to the state, with the penalty being imprisonment for failure to pay? You don't think that would leave a man broken? Infact, it leaves them so broken, that men who get divorced are 11x times likely to commit suicide. What about the children growing up to those same women as single mothers who had to go their entire childhood without a loving father? There is a saying that goes like this "You can't turn a whore into a housewife". Likewise, you can't expect men who wanted faithfulness, honesty, loyalty, love and care, to show smiles toward women, when this generation of women do not posses those qualities anymore. This website and forum is a testimony to that fact, that American women are virtueless.

This is also very personal for me. I have a brother in Christ who is going through this exact situation. Somedays he is fine, otherdays he is depressed about his situation, and other days he thinks bad thoughts but asks Christ to focus on him. Women are not innocent and just like men, they should be responsible and accountable for their actions. As I said before, no one has to like MGTOW men, but they are justified in existing. MGTOW men was born out of 50 years of female hatred, not over-night and for no reason.
And although MGTOW claim they care for men, in reality they do not. Watch as any man gets destroyed in divorce. You will see many MGTOW posters respond with, "He deserved it." If you aren't noticing that, you are either willfully ignorant or just ignorant.
I have heard and seen it many times myself, and yes its a problem. I don't think men should be celebrating other men's demises, even if they don't like said men. But you can't generalize a few posters for the whole lot of MGTOW'ers. Lets face the truth, would you rather have men say "he deserved it", or would you rather have 3,000 babies not get aborted today? Which one is worse to you? One is said by a man, who is angry. The other, is done by countless women, who vote with their feet, at the destruction of the most innocent.

Tell me, if Hitler was alive today and burning 3,000 babies, would not the entire nation move against him? Yet have your women do it, and the nation will stand still.

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Re: The Heresy of Manginas Going The Other Way;MGTOW

Post by Adama » June 19th, 2016, 9:39 am

Most of the MGTOW have not been in that position. Some of them have. Most have not. Most of them just have female phobia and have not been burned by the state.

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Re: The Heresy of Manginas Going The Other Way;MGTOW

Post by Adama » February 7th, 2017, 5:23 pm

I am so glad I escaped that cult of MGTOW. Those men over there truly are the male feminists. They are the mirror image. No difference. But everything is all about how much they hate women. Bad traits that are common to both men and women? Well they seem to gloss over that men do the same things to them (the part that doesn't involve sexuality, like using people). They are so busy ascribing every evil quality of humanity to women that they've forgotten that those evil traits are inherent to women and men, not just women. That's how much they hate women.

But because they are complete fools and still brainwashed by society, they believe and readily accept aspects of feminism. This includes things like forbidding older men and younger women relationships (within the law). So even a 35 year old man is disqualified from dating or marrying an 18 year old woman, for instance.

And although nobody wants to hear this, I think anyone visiting a prostitute is a feminist supporter, in the most literal sense of the word. They enrich women for laying on their backs, which supposedly is one of the things which they hate about women; that they can earn money by laying on their backs. They justify this, however, by saying you're paying for it either way. But why is one way good and the other bad when both are payment? Why are they ridiculing one while doing literally the same thing, just more directly and upfront?

They also think their movement is growing and consisting of tens of thousands if not millions of men. They even attribute the dwindling marriage rate to the growth of MGTOW and the spread of their messages, as if those keyboard warriors are given recognition by society. The truth of the matter is, dwindling marriage rates are a natural and intended result of feminism.

Is MGTOW the same philosophy as feminism? Yes, same means: divide and conquer through lies about the other gender, generate fear through statistics which work on the feeble minded. They both uphold the demise of the family, the end of marriage, empowerment of women through prostitution, the single life without a partner of the opposite sex, spinsterhood with cats and ghosting. Just like feminists, when MGTOW hear about something bad happening to a man at the hands of a woman, MGTOW rejoice and say, "He got what he deserved for messing with a woman." Lack of empathy, just like feminists.

I don't even feel sorry for the 100 fools who are left in this cult either. They know the truth. They just hate women too much to recognize and accept it for what it is. It's not a woman problem. It's insanity.

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Re: The Heresy of Manginas Going The Other Way;MGTOW

Post by Adama » February 7th, 2017, 5:36 pm

Feminism VS Men Going the Other (Wrong) Way.
  • Both support the end of marriage.
  • Both would rather people remain single and celebate than with the opposite sex.
  • Ghosting is no different than spinsterhood.
  • Both are against procreation, refusing to have children.
  • Both rejoice when hearing of the calamity a man suffers with women.
  • Both believe older men-younger women relationships are wrong.
  • Both hate the opposite sex based upon lies and misappropriation of human traits.
  • Both support and empower Western women through prostitution.
  • Both result in a decreasing societal birth rate.
  • Both increase the likelihood of having no family and no partner.

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Re: The Heresy of Manginas Going The Other Way (MGTOW)

Post by Zambales » February 8th, 2017, 10:14 am

I'm unsure of what MGTOW truly stands for. There seems to be a difference of opinion.

The top definition on Urban Dictionary......
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=MGTOW

Men Going Their Own Way is a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else. It is the manifestation of one word: “No”. Ejecting silly preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a “man” is. Looking to no one else for social cues. Refusing to bow, serve and kneel for the opportunity to be treated like a disposable utility. And, living according to his own best interests in a world which would rather he didn’t.

That sounds fair enough.

My philosophy is to leave the door open in terms of having a relationship but not to let her dictate to me or try to change me. Simply put - My way or the highway!

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Re: The Heresy of Manginas Going The Other Way (MGTOW)

Post by Adama » February 8th, 2017, 4:06 pm

Zambales wrote:I'm unsure of what MGTOW truly stands for. There seems to be a difference of opinion.

The top definition on Urban Dictionary......
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=MGTOW

Men Going Their Own Way is a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else. It is the manifestation of one word: “No”. Ejecting silly preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a “man” is. Looking to no one else for social cues. Refusing to bow, serve and kneel for the opportunity to be treated like a disposable utility. And, living according to his own best interests in a world which would rather he didn’t.

That sounds fair enough.

My philosophy is to leave the door open in terms of having a relationship but not to let her dictate to me or try to change me. Simply put - My way or the highway!

Ejecting silly preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a “man” is.
How are they EJECTING these silly notions? Do they mean they have set them aside or discarded them? Ejecting makes it sound like they are actually doing something magnificent, puffing themselves up into more than they are. Just bragging about nonsense that isn't even real and which cannot be measured!

But when they do claim they've had an affect on society, it is the same affect the feminists have, and that is discord, falling marriage rates. Fools.

Looking to no one else for social cues. Looks like these men never learned some hard lessons of life. It seems they were following what society told them to do. This is more like missing an emotional milestone though, which indicates a personal problem.

Refusing to bow, serve and kneel for the opportunity to be treated like a disposable utility.
The ironic and most hypocritical thing about that is that many of those MGTOW advocate using women in the f*ck and chuck fashion. Some even say, "If it flies, floats, or f*cks, then RENT IT!" That is, they just want to use women as tools of masturbation, which are to be discarded on a whim. Some also advocate having a girlfriend for only two years and then dumping her and getting a new one. This is hypocrisy.

Apparently disposing of women is one of the means they use to preserve his own sovereignty above all else.

Men Going Their Own Way is a statement of self-ownership. More bragadocious lies. This is not true. It isn't about self-awareness, self confidence, or even taking ownership of your own actions. Nope. It is a blame women for everything philosophy . They act like they advocate that men learn more about themselves so that they can grow as people. In reality they only complain about women and tell other men how to either use women and get away with it or that they should live like a monk and avoid women altogether.

The whole statement is a lie. They're bragging about things that don't matter and don't exist in reality.

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