Jason of Dystopia wrote:Let me just say a few things about the commentary of DarkMinxMash:
She did not respond to anything that was written by Winston or by anyone else who was posting on this thread. She used no direct quotes to indicate what ideas she agreed with or was debating.
She is obviously young or a newly-minted speaker of English as her grammar, spelling, paragraph structure et. al. is without any kind of grammatical organization.
Overall, her post is meaningless as it is filled with cliches, non-sequiturs, and some startling admissions that disprove the overall point I THINK she iwas trying to make.
Why amazing realizations like the following don't condemn the entire "feminist" project as a moral plague on mankind is an indication of how oppressed and asleep we all are. She said:
So, what she is saying is:In terms of the laws I do think it's a double standard and because the female is seen as weaker or more naturally a caregiver she benefits better.
Women do abuse this system and use it to financially and mentally ruin a man.
Feminism has created a sort of entitlement in some women where they feel the world is their oyster and they step over/use people to get where they want. Gold diggers use men for material and don't care for their feelings at all. Bitches use and/or emasculate men, because they can and it gives them a power trip. Women are rude and brush men off w/o reserve and in reaction this has created some wounded men.
Yes, women will use the law to gain unfair advantage over their former partners, the person who they have been most intimate with. The familiarity with him has bred a harsh contempt.
Yes, since feminism has granted women so much power, there is absolutely no limiting principle on their egos or on the means they choose to pursue their selfish drives.
Yes, women do not care if they ruin a man financially or mentally (meaning, for life), their formerly intimate partner. And some actually do it chronically because they GET OFF on doing it!
All this verifies what Winston has written and what we all know to be true. Thus, I personally feel no need to qualify any of my comments with the typical "feminism is good, but..." Feminism is female dominance and female supremacy pure and simple. The ancients understood that the female energy must be restrained and transmuted into more socially appropriate forms. They thought this about male energy as well. This was done through moral restraint and the appropriate social chastisement for those who stepped out of line.
I realize that this is where Winston, his fans and I will probably part company, but what I am talking about is called "traditionalism." It is a form that has been promoted by the wisest and most learned men (and some women) throughout history.
We return to it or we are doomed to suffer rule by ignorant ,impetuous, and over-confident female teenyboppers like Manx. Perhaps an indication of what she really believes is contained in the quote she uses as her signature. This is a poem called The Goblin Market by Christina Rossetti. Here is a brief feminist analysis of the poem:
Could there be any clearer validation of what I've written in my initial post on this forum!“Lesbian� as the Undefined Woman and Female Subjugation
The story needed two women who could represent the “fall of the Lesbian� and the Lesbian who does not buy into the patriarchal roles and forced mind set that women are “supposed to� assume. Every aspect of the Lesbian is at risk of subjugation and the loss of self. “What is at stake is an individual definition as well as a class definition� (Wittig 2018). This means that not only is the individual at stake, but the entire class of Lesbian. By buying into the goblin’s advertising and eating the fruit, Lesbians are buying into the subjugation of their sex.
The Death of Autonomy and the Fetish
Though it seems to refer to the physical death, is can be interpreted as the death of the Lesbian, or the death of autonomy. Despite Lizzie’s pleading, Laura buys the fruit with a lock of her hair. It is important to note that the goblins sell their fruit and that the Lesbians buy into it one way or another. Lizzie’s cutting of her hair is symbolic of her active participation in her subjugation. It is the cutting of her hair and the exchange of it for the fruit that represents her “castration.� According to Freud in his essay The Uncanny, “the fetish is a substitute for the woman’s penis."
Her hair becomes both a fetish because of its value, as well as a phallic symbol representing her power. She gives with her lock of hair a tear. This tear is a symbol of her acknowledgement of her participation in her castration. She has given some of her power away making her become a powerless object of beauty. She has lost herself in the exchange and is no longer Lesbian, but wholly woman—as per Wittig’s definition of “woman.� She has become “woman� through a social relationship defined by men who have spewed propaganda so that she cannot define herself outside of the role they have provided.
Saving the Self through Retention of Autonomy
Lizzie remains Lesbian. She must save herself by gaining the knowledge of the goblins. She sees her sister dying because she has lost her sense of Self. She embodies Cixous “Women for Women� and becomes the catalyst for healing. Cixous says in The Laugh of the Medusa,� in women there is always more or less of the mother who makes everything all right, who nourishes."She seeks out the goblins so that she can obtain some of what they have in order to find a cure for her sister. They try and force the fruit on her but she will not yield. She remains Lesbian and is armed with the knowledge of what she fears.
Being Spirit Mother and Recognizing the "Lesbian"
The reference to the juice being like wormwood to her tongue is an interesting reference to how Lizzie saved Laura. (“That juice was wormwood to her tongue, she loathed the feast� –Rossetti). Wormwood is a bitter plant that has been use for centuries in various cures. Its name is derived from the Old English word wermod and means “spirit mother� in Anglo-Saxon. It has also been called the mind mender (Sebor Absinth). Both of these definitions refer to how the poisonous fruit indeed becomes the cure for Laura after Lizzie transforms it by taking it away from the goblins. She mends her mind from being “woman� and returns it to the state of Lesbian.
In the final stanza, Laura and Lizzie tell their children of their plight against the goblin men and the dangers of eating their fruit. Their most important message is found in the statement; “There is no friend like a sister� (Rossetti). Referring back to the statement “We are all lesbians,� the message is about the purpose of sisters is to help each other remain Lesbian. The message states: “To fetch one when one goes astray, to lift one when one totters down, to strengthen whilst one stands� (Rossetti). The message is a warning not to make women behave, but to not let Lesbians become subjugated women. In other words: Sisters do not let sisters fall prey to goblin men.
That's a very expressive and creative analysis of one of my favorite quotes, but since I'm not a feminist sorry I don't see it that way.
I see it as a girl, a sister who is trying to stop her friend from succumbing to a fate that'll leave her half mad with a hunger that cannot be quenched. Since goblins and faeries like to give humans a taste of things that they'll never be able to receive again. They fully know this'll lead to madness or a likely death of some sort. I like folklore, but for you to try to attribute this to some subconscious feminist agenda is unfair and misleading.
As for my point from before yes I did say that and no I didn't any direct quotes, but that was my full opinion on the matter.
How I believe feminism to affect females and society in general and I am a female after all. Who's better to write about that than one.
Feminism has it's positive and negative effects. It's like any other 'ism' in the way it has helped some and screwed others.
To blame it solely for the males plight in society isn't really realistic and not every women is a feminist.
Not all women buy into that and for a major part the word feminist is hardly ever though about.
Most women are just living their lives. Only those who join actively into the movement feel that it still needs to pervade every cranny of our culture. Yes I know some of what I wrote verifies Winston's post, but please read all of it and not pick and choose what you want to be true.
Not All women are like that some are. We have bad apples just like you guys have bad apples.
These people regardless if they mean to hurt, harm, or ruin someone they will find a way regardless of how it's done. These are just hateful human beings.
