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Why MGTOW can be potentially dangerous to young men

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Re: Why MGTOW can be potentially dangerous to young men

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Re: Why MGTOW can be potentially dangerous to young men

Post by Yohan » December 8th, 2017, 2:11 pm

mattyman wrote:
December 5th, 2017, 4:42 pm

Who posts on MGTOW?
  • Guys who've gotten out of bad relationships
  • Guys who've experienced unrequited love
  • Guy's who're frustrated because of only being seen as 'friends' by women they've found attractive
  • Sex addicts
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Now, it's true that there are lots of inequities in our society and many ways that men are treated unfairly (e.g. the ever lowering bar on what's considered sexual harrassment, discrimination against men) that do need open discussion .....
Well if men who finally managed to get away from a bad relationship and think about how to avoid such a mistake in future, what is wrong with that?

I never heard about MGTOWs who are sex-addicts - they are more the opposite if you ask me as they look for other entertainment where they can avoid contact with malicious women but also with strange men who want to teach them about what is right and what is wrong for them.

At least you acknowledge that there is a lot of injustice going on against men - but why do you not care about that?

Open discussion, are you making fun out of this issue, or are you dreaming? You know very well, that an open discussion about men's rights is not possible - post anything about disadvantages concerning men on any Western public website and it will be deleted within a few hours.

Even women, who were actively starting to care about men, found themselves badly treated by the present toxic Western communities and their biased media..


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Re: Why MGTOW can be potentially dangerous to young men

Post by Yohan » December 8th, 2017, 2:59 pm

MrMan wrote:
December 5th, 2017, 6:43 pm
There were even some feminists who supported lesbianism and advocated it as a natural outgrowth of feminism. I haven't heard of gay MGTOWs, men who turned gay because women were so bad. But I wouldn't be surprised if we heard about that soon.
I remember a few gay men who were showing up in typical MGTOW forum, talking to me, were asking for some information and they found it boring, not fitting their agenda and after a few comments they all left.

There is nothing in common between straight MGTOW and gay men. Their life-style is quite different, they are not straight men.

About straight men turning gay, this is nonsense. Even if women in general treated you badly as long as you can think back in your entire life, believe me you will still turn out as a straight man and not become gay. Please note that I said women in general and not girlfriend or ex-wife.

Women in general means any woman you had close contact with - could be your mother, your sister, your daughter, female co-workers, female class-mates and so on...

It is a big mistake of people who are posting nonsense about MGTOW that they always point out a possible relationship between a MGTOW man vs. a woman he had a sexual relationship.

In many cases men turning to MGTOW out of any other reason and not because of missing sex.

Here in Asia many young man like this idea of MGTOW solely because of economic consideration. Other (like I myself) had horrible experiences with females when they were still children, even prepubertal children. How can you blame them to be mistrusting against women?

There is also this idiotic slander going on - of course without offering any evidence - that MGTOWs are hating ALL women.

MGTOW are not hating women, but they are risk-averse or even afraid of any contact with a certain group of females and worried - often because of the legal situation - that such females might take advantage and harm them. This is not a phobia, it happens in real life all the time that men are misused, nobody can deny that, and the financial damage done is almost always with the man who has to pay the bill, often over decades.

May I ask you something?
What is wrong if a woman approached by a man says NO? Please answer this question. Likely your answer might be 'nothing is wrong, if she does not want, so she does not want'.

What is wrong if a man approached by a woman says NO? Please answer this question. I presume your answer might be 'woman hater' or similar BS.

However as a MGTOW I think, I have a right to reject certain women if I feel worried and insecure with them - why shall I socialize with them if I don't want that and if I feel uncomfortable with their presence close to me?

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Re: Why MGTOW can be potentially dangerous to young men

Post by Nomad » February 7th, 2018, 3:05 pm

I have to agree with the original poster. I was a MGTOW for 5-7 years. It was November 2010 when I was first introduced. I read MGTOW forums everyday and I still have a couple bookmarked on my phone when I'm really bored. Those were times when MGTOW was hardly known and people like Stardust and Barbarossa were seen as leaders in the movement and Nacho was in charge of the most popular mgtow forum at the time before he took it down himself.

I have to say those were good and bad years for me. Good because I learned about toxic women and female manipulation, but bad because I only grew more bitter and angrier as read report after report of men getting screwed over.

Eventually I hit a tipping point and swore to never get married, but not only that, my health declined because I was constantly angry all the time. For me, I just knew that there was no "good girls" out there anymore in this toxic society.

Then I met a christian girl online who lived in Finland. She was a virgin who didn't whore or slut around. Well that was interesting, I thought. Most girls lose their virginity at 14 and she was 22. Mind you, she isn't ugly by any-word of the imagination. I was trying to sleep with a 5 in America who snobbed her nose up at me, and here was a 9 who fell in love with me.

But, I had my MGTOW philosophy finely grained in my head. Okay, she is a virgin, but SOMETHING has got to be wrong with her. There has got to be a catch. She was a tall girl and i'm 4 inches shorter than her, so I thought, okay we can be friends because girls ONLY want taller guys. She still chose me. I thought, okay maybe its because I have money? But I didn't have any real money (1k in savings?). Perhaps a green-card to America? No mention of it.

Maybe she is a false christian who only claims to worship God and put on a act? Goes to church and actively deeply worships him. Buys me little gifts and writes love notes all the time. At our wedding, she sung me a love song, and made all sorts of films for me.

Truthfully, I scored out big time. The MGTOW philosophy is good for detecting bad women, but here was before me a GEM, and what would I do? Say that ALL WOMEN are bad and reject a good thing? I have never regretting marrying my wife. She is also anti-feminist and pro-male, so that is always a good thing. I never been happier.

I cannot advocate MGTOW to men. Not because I think MGTOW's are wrong. I do think they have good knowledge on women, but their attitudes about it are terrible.

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Re: Why MGTOW can be potentially dangerous to young men

Post by Man With a Plan » February 11th, 2018, 6:19 pm

^ Above poster gets it right. Mgtow can drop a few gems every once in a while, because even a broken clock is right twice a day, after all. But it's not a healthy lifestyle. End of story.
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Re: Why MGTOW can be potentially dangerous to young men

Post by Moretorque » February 13th, 2018, 11:53 pm

Nomad wrote:
February 7th, 2018, 3:05 pm
I have to agree with the original poster. I was a MGTOW for 5-7 years. It was November 2010 when I was first introduced. I read MGTOW forums everyday and I still have a couple bookmarked on my phone when I'm really bored. Those were times when MGTOW was hardly known and people like Stardust and Barbarossa were seen as leaders in the movement and Nacho was in charge of the most popular mgtow forum at the time before he took it down himself.

I have to say those were good and bad years for me. Good because I learned about toxic women and female manipulation, but bad because I only grew more bitter and angrier as read report after report of men getting screwed over.

Eventually I hit a tipping point and swore to never get married, but not only that, my health declined because I was constantly angry all the time. For me, I just knew that there was no "good girls" out there anymore in this toxic society.

Then I met a christian girl online who lived in Finland. She was a virgin who didn't whore or slut around. Well that was interesting, I thought. Most girls lose their virginity at 14 and she was 22. Mind you, she isn't ugly by any-word of the imagination. I was trying to sleep with a 5 in America who snobbed her nose up at me, and here was a 9 who fell in love with me.

But, I had my MGTOW philosophy finely grained in my head. Okay, she is a virgin, but SOMETHING has got to be wrong with her. There has got to be a catch. She was a tall girl and i'm 4 inches shorter than her, so I thought, okay we can be friends because girls ONLY want taller guys. She still chose me. I thought, okay maybe its because I have money? But I didn't have any real money (1k in savings?). Perhaps a green-card to America? No mention of it.

Maybe she is a false christian who only claims to worship God and put on a act? Goes to church and actively deeply worships him. Buys me little gifts and writes love notes all the time. At our wedding, she sung me a love song, and made all sorts of films for me.

Truthfully, I scored out big time. The MGTOW philosophy is good for detecting bad women, but here was before me a GEM, and what would I do? Say that ALL WOMEN are bad and reject a good thing? I have never regretting marrying my wife. She is also anti-feminist and pro-male, so that is always a good thing. I never been happier.

I cannot advocate MGTOW to men. Not because I think MGTOW's are wrong. I do think they have good knowledge on women, but their attitudes about it are terrible.
I am glad you found that special someone, obviously she was perfect because Nomad has had to sterilize all life it has ever encountered to this point for imperfections.

Now if we can just find someone for Droid....... :wink:
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Re: Why MGTOW can be potentially dangerous to young men

Post by yick » February 14th, 2018, 4:47 am

MGTOW is the only chance (for some sensible and intelligent men...) to get a woman.

If a man decides to MGTOW and go and play video games, then he will remain on his own for the rest of his life.

If a man learns skills, learns languages, travels, gets fit, gets strong - he'll have a choice of women.

Up to you.

It's no use at getting angry at people giving out advice, not all advice out there is applicable to you. You have to pick and choose what applies and what doesn't apply to you.

The men who are 'leading lives of quiet desperation' are usually married and kids, because they had sex before they matured fully and are now working and living lives they hate to upkeep wives and kids they don't want any more and that they basically can't afford.

If you are not that person, thank your lucky stars you escaped.

Stop being bitter and angry, women will come when your life is on point and that my friends - is down to you.

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Re: Why MGTOW can be potentially dangerous to young men

Post by Yohan » February 16th, 2018, 6:38 am

Nomad wrote:
February 7th, 2018, 3:05 pm
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I have to say those were good and bad years for me. Good because I learned about toxic women and female manipulation, but bad because I only grew more bitter and angrier as read report after report of men getting screwed over.

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Truthfully, I scored out big time. The MGTOW philosophy is good for detecting bad women, but here was before me a GEM, and what would I do? Say that ALL WOMEN are bad and reject a good thing? I have never regretting marrying my wife. She is also anti-feminist and pro-male, so that is always a good thing. I never been happier.

I cannot advocate MGTOW to men. Not because I think MGTOW's are wrong. I do think they have good knowledge on women, but their attitudes about it are terrible.
It is nice to read you find a honest woman, however it should be said, not in your own native country, and you are not living now in your own native country either, right?

Same as me, I am not living in Europe anymore, but in Asia. However I consider myself still as MGTOW, even banned Contrarian Expat said, I am clearly MGTOW. I made a lot of contributions by comments, but also financially, to keep a MGTOW Forum running on the internet since more than 10 years.

MGTOW are against malicious women whose wrongdoing is protected by law in Western countries by feminist ideology.
MGTOW are NOT against ALL women, but against feminism.


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here was before me a GEM
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Well, openly said, not all men who have good intention are lucky to find a 'GEM', many of them are disappointed and are made bankrupt more than one time by malicious women, believe me. Please consider that.

About getting bitter and angry, this is not the way of MGTOW. It is about being happy even in case you cannot find your 'GEM'.

their attitudes about it are terrible

This is not everywhere the case, and happens mainly in USA, UK and Australia. It is merely the rude response to rude females, often the only language bad females understand.

MGTOW in Germany for example are much more polite, however their publications are in German, not in English.
Also here in Japan, so-called herbivore men who are nothing but MGTOW mainly out of financial reason and the lack of females willing to marry, do not have a problem to interact with females in a friendly way.

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Re: Why MGTOW can be potentially dangerous to young men

Post by Yohan » February 17th, 2018, 9:28 am



This is a book that gives women step by step approach to destroy a man's career with accusations of sexual harassment and no evidence. The book is available for purchase on amazon

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The point is that MGTOWs do not remain silent, somebody must do the dirty work and to expose malicious women.
We need MGTOW, even if there is the opinion somehow that their attitude is 'terrible'.

How it works in Western feminist countries, this book gives you a good advice...
Of course not all women will take advantage of the legal situation, but some do....

Interesting to see that it is fine to complain about MGTOW all the time, but such provocative books giving advice how to attack innocent men can be published without facing any critics.

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