Why does nature want to breed out intelligent people?

[Temprano26]

There is an idea on these forums that the guys who aren't getting laid are simply guys whose DNA is being bred out of existence by nature, particularly guys who are involuntarily celibate in their late 20s, the epidemic of male virgins in the US. But as many guys would point out here, there are a lot of good-looking, in shape, soft-spoken guys that cannot get a girl's number but then Honey Boo Boo's mom could get a man. Hell, women could go out wearing pajamas and still a guy would flirt with her.

Why does nature seemingly want thugs to spread their DNA whereas intelligent guys are bred out of existence? Does nature want the movie Idiocracy to come true?

[Cornfed]

It isn't nature, it is the policies of evil Western regimes, as discussed in this thread:
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[Ghost]

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[Wolfeye]

There's a few MAJOR problems with the "sruvival of the fittest" theory. In short, it causes a very corrosive effect on an individual level & on a large scale level. Think about it: If someone thinks this way, and sees someone (or even something) else surviving, it means he is not the fitttest. Another thing is that it casts the environment (both the general surroundings & in the social sense) as a source of demise, not sustenance- this is bullshit, at least on the level of "nature as an enemy." So whether it's because of paranoia, egotism, or both- someone would act like an enemy in all directions. Like a said: a corrosive effect. It seems that this "competition" is the fast track to exctinction for a species, not a manner of survival.

Now, as far as intelligent & stupid goes, there's a few big problems with the theory that the intelligent are the cream of the crop: For one, they aren't always that smart/intelligent to begin with. It's very frequent that they have a very inaccurate way about them & just hold themselves in a high esteem while being dead wrong about things. Like the Metallica song, ignorance & arrogance DO tend to go hand-in-hand (and, of course, someone that this actually applies to tends to twist that around to say that it applies to the one who said it).

For another, what's so great about "being intelligent" in the sense of a point system? I've noticed that accumulated information IS sometimes looked at as points that generate superiority over others or a situation where reality is basically warped in such a way that what happens is NOT what occurs. The people that feel that they have these points frequently seem to think that if they attack someone, it's basically disqualified out of existance (a "cessation of existential dynamics" would probably be the technical term- one that doesn't make sense, since what's being affirmed is that this IS the case & that reality did NOT skip over them). Again, not very accurate. It's very CEREBRAL, but that is not necessarily "intelligent."

Intelligent people also sometimes cause massive amounts of shit for everyone, whether it's just them rolling on people that they see as less or coming up with sophisticated (and sometimes nuclear) ways of f***ing things up for everyone. It's quite a bit easier for someone that thinks of other people as insects to step on those other people, and sometimes they use science to do it. Psychology & "social engineering" are also things that seem to be very frequently used weapons. Mental vitiation seems to somewhat be the preference, actually.

Speaking of which: Look at all the self-esteem shit that they taught in schools in recent times: after they did that, hazing & bullying went up in both scale & in intensity. All the constant broadcasting of one's life is related to that (some of it's just being socially starved & looking for something to do, but some of it's arrogance). So did general lack of prowess & sticking to failure, because someone's so wonderful that they "stay crunchy even in milk." They're basically the non-stick pan of f***ing-up. Also, there's less in the way of people to learn from & help each other out. This was what experts & "intelligent people" thought so well of.

Same with all the goddamn pills that cause whatever problems someone was f***ing taking it to fix. And all those extra problems (like a guy growing tits or people getting skin disfiguration). These are the EFFECTS of the substances. It's called a side-effect, but what's the difference? It's so peripheral it doesn't exist? This is the kind of shit that I mean when I say "being inaccurate." Something is DEEMED safe, it's DEEMED effective, the people are DEEMED experts- yet, there's so much that doesn't work out as advertised. Also, SOMEONE had to develop these things, which would take some degree of scientific knowledge. If nothing else, there had to be someone that was at least designated as competant clearing these things & interjecting it into the medical environment, which then connects to people.

[A_American]

It's not nature to breed out intelligent people; in the West, it's only the more conservative people who are breeding and making kids who keep in breeding. Single moms may produce kids and they breed but eventually, their blood lines die out because kids from single moms are anti-social and have a lot of mental issues. You are seeing social darwinism in action, albeit slowly.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

But are these incels really intelligent at all? I ask that because intelligent people are generally resourceful and successful enough to employ alternatives in order to breed. Specifically, the use of surrogates and expatriating to a country where his DNA and status would be prized.

In the USA, you could actually offer to pay $5000 to $10,000 to any woman whose egg you wanted to inseminate and have that egg gestate in a third party surrogate. Presto, you can breed with top-level genes!

Wallowing in self-pity as an incel is anything but intelligent.

[Winston]

In history, intelligent people usually survive better than stupid people. That's why Europe has a higher IQ than Africa, because surviving in colder climates requires intelligent management and organization of resources. Whereas stupid people in tropical climates like Africa and Philippines can live off the land since plenty of crops will grow there and provide fruits and vegetables. So they don't need to be intelligent to survive. Instead, they survive by reproducing a lot of offspring so that if some of them die young from disease, there will be enough to ensure that the family survives.

It's only modern American culture that portrays intelligent people are nerds and geeks and uncool. But this is something that's true in America mostly. In Europe, and even in Britain, nerds or smart people are not seen as anything negative or uncool.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

In history, intelligent people usually survive better than stupid people. That's why Europe has a higher IQ than Africa, because surviving in colder climates requires intelligent management and organization of resources. Whereas stupid people in tropical climates like Africa and Philippines can live off the land since plenty of crops will grow there and provide fruits and vegetables. So they don't need to be intelligent to survive. Instead, they survive by reproducing a lot of offspring so that if some of them die young from disease, there will be enough to ensure that the family survives.

It's only modern American culture that portrays intelligent people are nerds and geeks and uncool. But this is something that's true in America mostly. In Europe, and even in Britain, nerds or smart people are not seen as anything negative or uncool.

Yes, that is the r versus K reproductive theory and think it rings true. However, less intelligent people (ie. women) obsess and dream about “having” children. Intelligent people have the forethought to realize the burdens, costs, and toils of actually having to RAISE those children so they are more likely to forgo the option.

The world is far easier to live in now than it has ever been. Widespread wealth, knowledge, automation, and mobility makes intelligence far less important in order to thrive so the less intelligent can breed away while the intelligent figure “Why even bother?”

Finally, the influence of religion and traditions which encourage reproduction has far less power over the intelligent now because of greater personal freedoms to think and act as one wishes.

With all that in mind, I think one has to be an absolute idiot to sacrifice himself and his interests to become a slave to the wife and children racket.

Some of us had to move heaven and earth to beat back the traps, dangers, and risks of harm in this life. An intelligent person would opine that it is not even moral to put yet more lives through that hell just to enjoy the spoils of the second half of life which are by no means guaranteed.

I say let those who want to reproduce do so to their hearts’ content. They’ve been duped into a servitude that only a free man could recognize.

[HappyGuy]

It's only modern American culture that portrays intelligent people are nerds and geeks and uncool. But this is something that's true in America mostly. In Europe, and even in Britain, nerds or smart people are not seen as anything negative or uncool.

That's interesting, what about Canada and Australia?

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”― Issac Asimov

[CodeHarder]

Intelligent people breed out intelligent people. We know nearly all paths to reproduction are dishonorable or some kind of entrapment that inhibits all kinds of freedoms. We choose to ignore or dismiss opportunities. We fear consequences. For lower intelligent people all of these things are a non-concern.

[Wolfeye]

I think the word "nature" can kind of wind up like the term "the world"- people say it as a knee-jerk when they're referencing their neck of the woods. Same with "people." Someone likely isn't implying everyone else is a god or sub-human, but it works its way into being the general term.

I think nature doesn't have any problem with intelligent people, but someone without any EMOTION does seem to do worse in the mating environment- since they don't even bother. The thing with intellect is that it's frequently non-dynamic & if they are very intellectual, they frequently are non-dynamic. Ever see a chick f**k a statue? Me either.

[gsjackson]

Nature doesn't. Our rulers do.

[Tsar]

Interesting discussion. I missed it when I was away. I agree that it is because of the Elites and the cult(ure) of ignorance that exists in the United States which is mentioned in Issac Asimov's quote that HappyGuy shared.

[Gali]

That is not true. The elite is intelligent but intelligence alone is worthless. You need the will to power, to survive, to dominate. Even the ability to enjoy suffering and pain.


A weak willed intelligent guy is worthless for life.