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Why MGTOW can be potentially dangerous to young men

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Re: Why MGTOW can be potentially dangerous to young men

Post by Adama » February 27th, 2018, 4:41 am

Yohan wrote:
February 26th, 2018, 11:58 pm
Adama wrote:
February 26th, 2018, 5:56 pm
I must say, that anyone practicing to destroy an innocent person, whether either party is a man or a woman, is only seeking to destroy themselves.

I faced a false sexual harassment accusation at one job.

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I had no idea that women's egos could be so massive that, even if you simply remove yourself from them and leave them alone, they will sometimes still come at you like a ravening wolf to devour your soul.

I've had some really bad experiences at the hands of women. I really have no idea what to do either, because porn and prostitutes are out of the question.
This is a very interesting comment from Adama.

MGTOWs advice is against feminism and not against women in general, and the question about the story from Adama is what happened to this woman AFTER it turned out there was no sexual harassment at all. My guess, nothing happened... so she did not destroy herself... feminism is protecting her.

MGTOWs give advice NEVER to date any woman at the workplace. Just say good morning when entering and good bye when leaving.
It's too risky, even if you have the best intention as a man. MGTOWs are risk-averse, you risk your job, just because you are trying to talk a few private words with a woman? - It''s not worth it... you never know what her reaction might be and nobody will protect you as a man in case of false accusations coming from a woman - for sure do not expect any help from any employer, especially not if the employer is a man as he is afraid of feminism himself.
Her reputation was destroyed twice over.

The point of the story though is that oftentimes these women are not going to get away with it. The trap she laid for me was the same one she fell into: destroyed reputation and shame.

As for not talking to women at work, that is a very good idea. But that just shows how dangerous ravenous beasts are. Somehow I suspect though, that if I had met a similar person on the street outside of a work environment, they would try another way to destroy me. It is just a tool for destroyers. The fact is that there are many tools in their kit though. In other words, it doesn't matter where you meet the wolf. Once you encounter a bloodthirsty, filthy animal, they will use whatever means they have to eat up your soul.

I've had problems with men at work, too, who were trying to get me fired for simple things, like reporting me to my boss for breaking rules (like saying I entered in through the wrong entrance).

Male or female, ravening wolves are just destroyers who mark and measure your every step and every word so they can use it against you to destroy life.

The problem with women though, is that men have a natural desire to find partnership and companionship with them, and many of them have ruined themselves and turned into sociopaths. They have the advantage there for this reason, and society is matriarchal and supports their evil.
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Re: Why MGTOW can be potentially dangerous to young men

Post by Adama » February 27th, 2018, 5:23 am

You guys should read the proverbs. It even says, ...But her end is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a twoedged sword (a weapon of death), that they are are luring men in so they can strike a dart through their liver (murder), that they slay men and cast them down (murder), that their houses are the way to hell (eternal destruction), that the men who go unto them never return, that they reduce men down to a single piece of bread (take all their money), and that they hunt for men of high value.

It is clear that many women are simply dangerous; these are the adulteresses, the sassy women, the unruly, the loudmouthed, the rebels, and the whores (sluts in modern English). And what percentage of modern women do they comprise when these characteristics are seen as "strong" or "independent"?
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Re: Why MGTOW can be potentially dangerous to young men

Post by mattyman » March 6th, 2018, 2:41 am

@ yohan
Who told you that MGTOWs consider ALL relationships with women must to be bad? Who told you that? A feminist posting some crap in a liberal forum I guess.

I know various members who are MGTOWs and who are married, but they are not living in Western countries anymore and their wife is not from Western countries. MGTOW means simply said, go your own way - away from the mainstream.

A question to you after reading your comment: How can you expose a false rape allegation, if the 'victim' (the female false accuser) has the right of anonymity for life?
How can you agree that the accused man, without any other proof but the word of the female accuser, will be published in the media with full personal data and picture?

If you do not agree with that legal issue you are automatically considered to be a misogynist by the Western pro-feminist media.

Full report see link below. What shall police and judges really do? They had no other choice but to prosecute innocent men and they were sent to jail for years. That's OK for you? Just to accuse someone of rape grants you anonymity for life?

And do you really think, she will serve 10 years? I don't think so...
You're right, a woman can be believed by word of mouth, if a man has been sexually assaulted or harassed, he will not be believed. Anonymity for life just for accusing someone of rape? If a man accuse a woman of rape, it would be a different story, no song and dance. It is not right that women can get away with murder. Worst still, the fact that if you disagree you're just labeled and shut down. All that does is makes people ANGRY and THAT is what leads to some of the extreme opinions about women. This all needs to be talked about openly in the mainstream without some kid shouting you down.

It's things like this that need open discussion, but in a more sober climate without the fear of being labeled 'mangina', 'simp' or other label (that's what feminists do and that's what I want men's rights activism moving away from.

The secret weapon is this, don't fall into the traps that the feminists do; labeling people that disagree with you, shouting down and insulting people, painting stereotypes of the other gender. I criticize MGTOW because I believe it's become the echo of, & falling into the same patterns as radical feminism, not because I disagree with what people discuss. Some of the discussions do seem extreme, but that's mostly born out of anger (rightly justified). When you understand what's behind that anger, it all makes sense.

The things MGTOW & other forums discuss do badly need discussing. Just because there are viewpoints on those platforms that I and others might not agree with, doesn't mean they're written off nor does it mean the things that are talked about shouldn't be acknowleged. If it is to be taken seriously then those more extreme opinions should be toned down a bit; e.g. 'all women want an 'alpha' and use beta's to raise their kids sort of narrative). You don't need to subscribe to narratives like that to bring up discussions of issues such as yohan has raised.

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Re: Why MGTOW can be potentially dangerous to young men

Post by fdiv » May 21st, 2018, 6:18 am

mattyman wrote:
December 7th, 2017, 4:59 am
Why I might sound angry
All my life I've absorbed these messages that no womn would be attracted to a guy like me (fitting the stereotypical 'beta' male). This has has since been disproven, even with experiences of an anglo women. I met this girl who was the 'type' the MGTOW brigade said would never be interested in a guy like me (e.g. pretty, long hair, nice, feminine), at the time living at home and unemployed. When I met her she actually asked if I had her number. When I told her I was living at home, she said she was happy I had family, and regarding the job situation at the time, she was in the same boat herself. No, it doesn't apply that the more 'hot' someone is, the more unforgiving they are.

Yes, I had a great chance for a relationship. I will acknowledge that the only thing I didn't do, was tell her that I liked (boy did I have the hots) her or make the same moves back that she made to me. That's it, that's all that there was too it. It's a lesson learned. Classic nice guy situation.

Now, what makes me very angry about MGTOW and the manosphere in general is how people encourage men to reflect on experiences similar to mine in not so healthy ways. They try to make men conclude that the only reason that they didn't succeed was because they're complete pussies, that they need to change the very fabric of who they are as a person; e.g. that they should become a domineering moron rather than become genuinely happy in expressing who they really are.

I know from my experience, that all I failed to do was to simply convey the fact that I liked her, THAT'S IT! I learn from that. The MGTOW community and the manosphere in general would conclude that someone in my position wasn't forward enough but, they would take it to extremes. They would say that you should have treated them mean. No, I should have simply told her I like her, move in for the kiss, that's all.Their views of what's expressing your romantic interest is what concerns me. Advocating beating women up and playing the treating them mean persona in the hope that they'd fall for you. This is basket case nice-guy-ism and non-genuineness. Dude, if that's not you and if the woman you're with isn't attracted to that sort of rubbish, isn't that selling out yourself?

What MGTOW and the manosphere don't do is they don't teach men how to address and overcome the specific fears about how to tell someone you like them, or what's stoppin you from moving in for the kiss. The do a terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE job of addressing such barriers.

I am angry because prior to those experiences, those messages I was receiving from the net personally made me very depressed and de-motivated to meet new people at one point. Although I see through it for the BS that it is, I am very angry at that and I know that many others are negatively affected in the same way.

Peace.
I mean, how do you KNOW you would have been successful, despite your monumental shortcomings, if you would have "just told her you liked her". I mean, come on man. No offense, but do you know how childish you sound right now?
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Re: Why MGTOW can be potentially dangerous to young men

Post by MrMan » May 21st, 2018, 8:44 am

mattyman wrote:
December 7th, 2017, 4:59 am
I know from my experience, that all I failed to do was to simply convey the fact that I liked her, THAT'S IT! I learn from that. The MGTOW community and the manosphere in general would conclude that someone in my position wasn't forward enough but, they would take it to extremes. They would say that you should have treated them mean. No, I should have simply told her I like her, move in for the kiss, that's all.Their views of what's expressing your romantic interest is what concerns me. Advocating beating women up and playing the treating them mean persona in the hope that they'd fall for you. This is basket case nice-guy-ism and non-genuineness. Dude, if that's not you and if the woman you're with isn't attracted to that sort of rubbish, isn't that selling out yourself?
If they were MGTOW, they might say you did the right thing by not needing a woman, or that you should have just used her for a one-off sex act. You seem to be describing the pick up artist types on the manosphere.

I think we need some clear definitions.
What MGTOW and the manosphere don't do is they don't teach men how to address and overcome the specific fears about how to tell someone you like them, or what's stoppin you from moving in for the kiss. The do a terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE job of addressing such barriers.
I suppose you can just be friendly and talk with lots of people until you learn to get more confident over time.
I am angry because prior to those experiences, those messages I was receiving from the net personally made me very depressed and de-motivated to meet new people at one point. Although I see through it for the BS that it is, I am very angry at that and I know that many others are negatively affected in the same way.
Yeah, when I was in my 20's, the Internet was just taking off and that wasn't an issue. But I can see how reading manosphere forums could discourage a young man. A lot of people on this forum are too extreme, too, saying that there are absolutely no American women who are worthy of dating or marriage. I agree that there are some toxic aspects to the culture, but there can be individual counter-cultural women who can make good spouses.

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Re: Why MGTOW can be potentially dangerous to young men

Post by GuyAbroad8293 » May 21st, 2018, 11:54 am

What women want? They want to be treated like shit.

Don't fall for the blue pill. The blue pill forums are what is full of negative people. Places like SlutHate and RooshV
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Re: Why MGTOW can be potentially dangerous to young men

Post by mattyman » May 25th, 2018, 4:20 am

^Sluthate, Rooshv, they are the same things dressed in different names. Same silly 'us and them' arguments, no attempts to understand the other side of the argument.

"A lot of people on this forum are too extreme, too, saying that there are absolutely no American women who are worthy of dating or marriage. I agree that there are some toxic aspects to the culture, but there can be individual counter-cultural women who can make good spouses."
This forum is moderate in that regard, I do value the things that are said about the dating scene. What Winston Wu writes about is highly relevant to my experiences. I don't consider this site to be manosphere in the sense that there isn't that much in the way of extreme views The very extreme opinions you see on MGTOW sites and Rooshv are the cause of concern that I bring-up in this thread.
I mean, how do you KNOW you would have been successful, despite your monumental shortcomings, if you would have "just told her you liked her". I mean, come on man. No offense, but do you know how childish you sound right now?
Thankyou sir, I'm more than happy to listen to you advice, but if you're going to use such shaming language I'd rather you start another thread. Can we keep this on topic.

I know for a fact that a lot of people who turn to MGTOW do so for the simple fact of the matter that they were in the situation similar to I was, rather than admitting what they could have done better, they decided to take the anger out on women as a whole. At least I've admitted what I could have done better, and what's more, I don't give a shit about negative criticism. If you had any good advice to share, I know it won't be phrased in that way. The way it was phrased tells me more about you than it does about me. If you like someone, tell them straight that you fancy them, that's all. We need to look at ourselves sometimes.

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