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Postby OzGuy » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:19 am

fuzzy_corleone wrote:I've heard about that but I guess it's something I should try and get used to. Personally I prefer owning a house than leasing it from someone else. I'd want to make modifications to the property (i.e.: perhaps have solar panels on the roof, etc.) and not worry about the owner kicking me out because he 'doesn't like my face' (I've had friends who were kicked out of a house they were renting for no good reason in the U.S.).

Can't I just build a house in a remote location (i.e.: perhaps up in the mountains away from any community) according to my specifications? I've seen property in Switzerland whose design is inconsistent with 'swiss' architecture.

Are the borders between Switzerland and France open? Can I just driver over to France without the authorities going psycho on me with the assumption that I'm some kind of terrorist? (sorry I've lived in the U.S. for far too long obviously)

Doesn't Switzerland have substantial 'stealth taxes' that eat away your income?


Personally, I think its a good thing that most people rent. In Australia people have an obsession with owning property, and you are seen as a "second class citizen" if you rent. Its just another thing to own in a materialistic anglo culture. People try and compete with each other to have the best and biggest house etc. Renting also gives you much more flexibility to move around. I also believe that tenants have a lot more rights here than they do in Australia and the US.

But yes, of course you are free to build your own house in a remote location if you wish. However i'm not sure on the laws regarding this, as I think you need to have a residency visa or something to own property.

Yes, all borders between neighboring countries are open. I regularly go over the border to Germany to do shopping because its about half the price of Switzerland. I take a suitcase on the train with me, and buy 1 months worth of food in Germany. You can save a lot by doing this and also get the VAT refund from Germany.

I'm not sure of these "stealth taxes" you speak of, but I do know that Switzerland has some of the lowest taxes in the world.
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Postby OzGuy » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:30 am

Andrewww wrote:Sounds boring to me. I guess it's because it reminds me of Canada: clean, neutral, quiet, full of boring people who only live to work and make money. The weather must be crap also.


If you are an extrovert, then yes perhaps you may find it too boring.

Switzerland is the opposite culture of Anglo countries - the majority of people here are introverted and intelligent. Their idea of fun is going hiking, skiing, adventure sports, instead of getting drunk and watching football like they do in the US/Australia.

If you are an introvert you will LOVE it here. So much natural beauty, lots of outdoor activities etc.

I hated the extroverted culture in Australia and never felt like I fit in. I feel like I belong here in Switzerland.

As for the weather, I used to live in a hot, humid climate in Australia, so I much prefer the cooler climate here. But yes, like most of Europe, you can expect to see cloudy weather for some time (especially in winter).
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I'd wish Black Men would...

Postby djfourmoney » Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:59 am

Hop on a plane and stop asking White men about your chances. They aren't Black they don't know, stop asking!

Swiss women will f**k you, is that what you want to know? But you can't be some Urban ghetto idiot or a bumbling kuntry bumpkin that won't work. Being a ghetto idiot may get you a girl just over 18 to drop the panties but her parents will be appalled.

There is stuff to see in Switzerland, especially this time of year. Learn to ski or snowboard.... A brother that can ski or snowboard well, you'll get a fair amount of attention and not confused with Africans.
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Re: I'd wish Black Men would...

Postby E_Irizarry » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:12 am

djfourmoney wrote:Hop on a plane and stop asking White men about your chances. They aren't Black they don't know, stop asking!

Swiss women will f**k you, is that what you want to know? But you can't be some Urban ghetto idiot or a bumbling kuntry bumpkin that won't work. Being a ghetto idiot may get you a girl just over 18 to drop the panties but her parents will be appalled.

There is stuff to see in Switzerland, especially this time of year. Learn to ski or snowboard.... A brother that can ski or snowboard well, you'll get a fair amount of attention and not confused with Africans.


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Re: I'd wish Black Men would...

Postby Contrarian Expatriate » Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:10 am

djfourmoney wrote:Hop on a plane and stop asking White men about your chances. They aren't Black they don't know, stop asking!

Swiss women will f**k you, is that what you want to know? But you can't be some Urban ghetto idiot or a bumbling kuntry bumpkin that won't work. Being a ghetto idiot may get you a girl just over 18 to drop the panties but her parents will be appalled.

Thank you for making that point. Most of the white guys are way off the mark about what suits black American men in a particular foreign country. Some of them do it unintentionally, but others intentionally try to dissuade BM from checking out a country.

Like you said, get on a friggin plane see for yourself because even other BM might have different concepts of what is good or bad for black men. No country in the world is good for all BM. Find your niche on your terms not somebody else's and just run with it.
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My experience

Postby publicduende » Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:30 am

Let's add one more colour to this topic palette. Besides those living in the Italian side, Swiss women are vastly the most sexually repressed, and depressed in Europe. I had 3 experiences with Swiss women, and they all pointed to the same conclusion, with an almost perfect overlap.

I had my first experience with a Swiss when I was 21 and leading up the news section of a local radio station. We had the "honour" of having some people over from the Zurich chapter of Radio RAI, the main Italian radio broadcaster, to run a feature about the beach culture of Apulia (now we know where Jersey Shore got the idea from! :) ). One of the hosts was Karen, this tall, dark blonde, not so good looking but somewhat "scruffy sexy" young woman. She was 27 at the time, if I remember well. She couldn't speak good Italian but we managed to get by with our English and spent 3 evenings together, both extremely eager to get as much honest insight as possible on each other culture, something that to each of us was fascinatingly unknown and apparently irreconcilable. It didn't take long for our conversations to become more intimate.

That's when Karen told me that I and my Italian friends had been treating her in a far better and warmer way than her 7-year boyfriend. Said boyfriend wouldn't even want to have any physical contact apart from a kiss on the cheek now and then. Despite living together, they would only communicate about practical daily stuff - what food to eat, bills to pay, etc. At some point she also confessed me she hadn't had sex for more than a year, and couldn't remember the last time she had an orgasm. I hugged her out of true sympathy, and that hug became a kiss. I brought her to my basement "entertainment room" (every Southern Italian home has one!) and duly provided some entertainment. I never told my radio mates about this...yet apart from the elusive pleasure with a girl I didn't even fancy that much, I got a hard imprinting about the social situation in Switzerland. That episode basically defined my opinion on Switzerland for the rest of my life, leading me to steer away of it, unless strictly required for business or tourism.

The second experience was with a Swiss-Polish girl living in Geneva, called Kasia, who I met when visiting my cousin who moved there for a ride on the Erasmus programme. She was much more attractive than Karen, albeit shorter. She was actually born in Switzerland, but due to her traditional family upbringing she felt much more aligned to her native culture than the Swiss one. Unfortunately (for me!) she had just found a boyfriend from Lugano, still very warm and interested in quenching my curiosity about another bout of Swiss horror stories. The daughter of a retired policeman and a housewife, she sat quite perfectly on the "upper working class" rung of society. And boy, wasn't she feeling all the pain of that. During all of our (two) conversations she kept her head down, speaking slowly as if nobody and nothing could ever change her status. Words like "margin, edge, rejected, outcast" were uttered too often to make her argument come across as a labour of fantasy. One episode struck me in particular: she once went out clubbing with some of her "friends", a group of at least 15 people. She mentioned how metro trains in Zurich are spotless clean, very cheap and run all night long. Then she told me that, at the gates of the club, she realised she was a few francs short of the entrance ticket, and no ATM were in sight. She obviously asked her friends to top up. Nobody chipped in a single franc. Not one "friend". She ended up waiting outside for an hour and then went back home. This happened a few months back, and involved young women and men in their mid twenties, not kids who never keep extra cash.

The third experience was with Erika, a young woman I met in Bali at the airport in November 2011. We were supposed to leave in the afternoon but, due to some diplomatic staff leaving Bali (after that famous ASEAN conference with Obama) on priority, a our flight and a few more were cancelled. We were all offered a hotel night somewhere in Bali and booked on another flight to Kuala Lumpur. We spent a few idling hours in KL airport, talking and eating together. She had just quit her well paid but boring job at PWC in Geneva and was just back from a 4 month trip of Thailand, Indonesia, Cambodia, and Vietnam. Most of our conversation revolved around her waxing lyrical about her new Cambodian boyfriend: how intelligent, smart and good looking he was, how she finally felt taken care of and enjoying sex. The curious thing is, I saw this boyfriend on photo and he looked short and pretty plain, while she was quite cute, white blond blue eyes and nice big breasts. She was also worried that her half-German parents would never accept a poor Asian boyfriend who spoke no English and had no expendable skills in Switzerland. As she flooded my ears with words, two recurrent thoughts crossed my mind: fondling her big jugs (again, not relevant :) ) and how desperate for any form of genuine human contact she might have been, to basically fall in love with her Cambodian tour guide a mere 2 days into her trip! It might have well been real love, who knows, yet I couldn't help noticing how "emotionally starved" she sounded like. It occurred to me that thats, after all, the destiny of Swiss men and women alike - a life trapped in a lattice of efficient, formal and ice-cold human interactions. Luckily for her, her Asian trip and boyfriend manage to disconnect her from that matrix and give her a refreshing bite of human nature hooked to real feelings and what matters the most.
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Re: My experience

Postby eurobrat » Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:11 pm

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Postby djfourmoney » Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:57 pm

I am just tried of that sort of babbling that happens online. Be a Black Adventurer. Go seek b***y and treasure. These people no matter how helpful they believe they are, just doing you a disservice. Its almost like they don't see the media, law enforcement, the justice system or anything else for what it is. How Anglos feel about men of color should not be entered into the debate, Europeans by and large view you differently.

Just don't get group in with Africans... No diss to Africans but they know what I am talking about.
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Re: My experience

Postby E_Irizarry » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:42 pm

publicduende wrote:Let's add one more colour to this topic palette. Besides those living in the Italian side, Swiss women are vastly the most sexually repressed, and depressed in Europe. I had 3 experiences with Swiss women, and they all pointed to the same conclusion, with an almost perfect overlap.

I had my first experience with a Swiss when I was 21 and leading up the news section of a local radio station. We had the "honour" of having some people over from the Zurich chapter of Radio RAI, the main Italian radio broadcaster, to run a feature about the beach culture of Apulia (now we know where Jersey Shore got the idea from! :) ). One of the hosts was Karen, this tall, dark blonde, not so good looking but somewhat "scruffy sexy" young woman. She was 27 at the time, if I remember well. She couldn't speak good Italian but we managed to get by with our English and spent 3 evenings together, both extremely eager to get as much honest insight as possible on each other culture, something that to each of us was fascinatingly unknown and apparently irreconcilable. It didn't take long for our conversations to become more intimate.

That's when Karen told me that I and my Italian friends had been treating her in a far better and warmer way than her 7-year boyfriend. Said boyfriend wouldn't even want to have any physical contact apart from a kiss on the cheek now and then. Despite living together, they would only communicate about practical daily stuff - what food to eat, bills to pay, etc. At some point she also confessed me she hadn't had sex for more than a year, and couldn't remember the last time she had an or***m. I hugged her out of true sympathy, and that hug became a kiss. I brought her to my basement "entertainment room" (every Southern Italian home has one!) and duly provided some entertainment. I never told my radio mates about this...yet apart from the elusive pleasure with a girl I didn't even fancy that much, I got a hard imprinting about the social situation in Switzerland. That episode basically defined my opinion on Switzerland for the rest of my life, leading me to steer away of it, unless strictly required for business or tourism.

The second experience was with a Swiss-Polish girl living in Geneva, called Kasia, who I met when visiting my cousin who moved there for a ride on the Erasmus programme. She was much more attractive than Karen, albeit shorter. She was actually born in Switzerland, but due to her traditional family upbringing she felt much more aligned to her native culture than the Swiss one. Unfortunately (for me!) she had just found a boyfriend from Lugano, still very warm and interested in quenching my curiosity about another bout of Swiss horror stories. The daughter of a retired policeman and a housewife, she sat quite perfectly on the "upper working class" rung of society. And boy, wasn't she feeling all the pain of that. During all of our (two) conversations she kept her head down, speaking slowly as if nobody and nothing could ever change her status. Words like "margin, edge, rejected, outcast" were uttered too often to make her argument come across as a labour of fantasy. One episode struck me in particular: she once went out clubbing with some of her "friends", a group of at least 15 people. She mentioned how metro trains in Zurich are spotless clean, very cheap and run all night long. Then she told me that, at the gates of the club, she realised she was a few francs short of the entrance ticket, and no ATM were in sight. She obviously asked her friends to top up. Nobody chipped in a single franc. Not one "friend". She ended up waiting outside for an hour and then went back home. This happened a few months back, and involved young women and men in their mid twenties, not kids who never keep extra cash.

The third experience was with Erika, a young woman I met in Bali at the airport in November 2011. We were supposed to leave in the afternoon but, due to some diplomatic staff leaving Bali (after that famous ASEAN conference with Obama) on priority, a our flight and a few more were cancelled. We were all offered a hotel night somewhere in Bali and booked on another flight to Kuala Lumpur. We spent a few idling hours in KL airport, talking and eating together. She had just quit her well paid but boring job at PWC in Geneva and was just back from a 4 month trip of Thailand, Indonesia, Cambodia, and Vietnam. Most of our conversation revolved around her waxing lyrical about her new Cambodian boyfriend: how intelligent, smart and good looking he was, how she finally felt taken care of and enjoying sex. The curious thing is, I saw this boyfriend on photo and he looked short and pretty plain, while she was quite cute, white blond blue eyes and nice big breasts. She was also worried that her half-German parents would never accept a poor Asian boyfriend who spoke no English and had no expendable skills in Switzerland. As she flooded my ears with words, two recurrent thoughts crossed my mind: fondling her big jugs (again, not relevant :) ) and how desperate for any form of genuine human contact she might have been, to basically fall in love with her Cambodian tour guide a mere 2 days into her trip! It might have well been real love, who knows, yet I couldn't help noticing how "emotionally starved" she sounded like. It occurred to me that thats, after all, the destiny of Swiss men and women alike - a life trapped in a lattice of efficient, formal and ice-cold human interactions. Luckily for her, her Asian trip and boyfriend manage to disconnect her from that matrix and give her a refreshing bite of human nature hooked to real feelings and what matters the most.


I never knew that Swiss women were so prudish like that. T/hanks for the heads-up.
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Re: My experience

Postby eurobrat » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:00 am

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Re: My experience

Postby publicduende » Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:55 am

eurobrat wrote:Those are some great stories. I always got the feeling that Swiss women are just itching for attention the first time I went through Switzerland when I was 19. Also mention they are not flirtatious at all unlike Italian/Spanish women, so it's up to you to make the first move.


I have just remembered somebody (probably Peter Andrew Nolan) a while ago was mentioning that German women don't get much affection from their partners, so they hear Xmas bells ringing every time somebody engages them in a deep or intimate conversation, or show them that they care. Perhaps it's a similar situation in Switzerland. Which means people with an Italian-like mindset like you will crack fireworks there :) This obviously doesn't apply to the Italian side of Switzerland, where men and women are pretty much the same as in Northern Italy.
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Postby OzGuy » Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:10 am

As I mentioned, you don't go to switzerland to meet Swiss women (often prudish), you go there to meet all the other foreign women, including Russians (there are many Russian women here)

Or pop over the border and find yourself a German girl (my gf is German). German women are more open than Swiss women and are more interested in sex.

The quality of life here is probably the best in the world, so why move to Ukraine or Russia (poor quality of life) when you can find a foreign woman in Switzerland and also live the good life here?
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Postby publicduende » Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:36 am

OzGuy wrote:As I mentioned, you don't go to switzerland to meet Swiss women (often prudish), you go there to meet all the other foreign women, including Russians (there are many Russian women here)

Or pop over the border and find yourself a German girl (my gf is German). German women are more open than Swiss women and are more interested in sex.

The quality of life here is probably the best in the world, so why move to Ukraine or Russia (poor quality of life) when you can find a foreign woman in Switzerland and also live the good life here?


Clear enough. Just out of curiosity, are you a high earner in Switzerland?
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