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The Roma in Eastern Europe

Postby BellaRuth » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:25 pm

One of the main things that puts me off visiting Eastern Europe for any real length of time is the tension regarding the Roma.

Is it as bad as it's made out to be? Or is it mostly confined to the more prejudiced people, rather than the population at large? Any countries that are more racist than others?

And any ideas as to what would dissolve the situation, if anything? Curious.
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Postby Winston » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:59 pm

What's the Roma problem about?
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Postby Adama » Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:11 pm

My understanding is that many of the whites there hate the Roma cause the Roma commit the majority of the crimes. There's no politically correct thinking there just yet.
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Postby BellaRuth » Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:26 pm

J.Adama wrote:My understanding is that many of the whites there hate the Roma cause the Roma commit the majority of the crimes. There's no politically correct thinking there just yet.


Why do you think that is?

It's not about political correctness as such- it's a personal issue for me.

Winston- there's a lot of tension between the 'gypsies' and the Eastern Europeans.
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Postby Jackal » Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:10 pm

J.Adama wrote:My understanding is that many of the whites there hate the Roma cause the Roma commit the majority of the crimes. There's no politically correct thinking there just yet.

But where did those statistics come from? The police, governments, and news agencies are highly biased against the Roma in those countries. If an independent agency confirmed those statistics, I'd have more confidence in them.

I have lived in Hungary for almost two years, and I have never had a problem with the Roma. The only person who ever tried to pickpocket me here was a tall, skinny, blonde teenager at a crosswalk. I'm not saying that many Roma are not criminals, but there are are nice ones, too. Some of the really poor ones who go through dumpsters for food do smell bad, though. I had sex with a very sweet Roma girl last year who did not steal anything from me.

Eastern Europeans just freak out when they see anyone who is darker than an Italian. They're just not used to darker-skinned people. Yet at the same time, they find some black American actors and musicians attractive.

Romas just have the lowest social status here, so they get no respect.

The tension between white people and Roma is not usually visible in Hungary, but when white people are alone they often tell jokes about Roma or say things like "There were so many gypsies at the tram stop this morning. It was terrible!"

Although I think that if a white Hungarian had to spend a year in a violent black or latino neighborhood outside a major American city, he would be begging to be around Roma instead!

Also, most Eastern European countries are quite poor, so unemployed white locals get angry if they hear about any government programs to help the Roma.

Could anything improve the problem? Hmm, if there was less unemployment among the white locals, they would probably be a bit less bitter and angry about Roma. But prejudices in Europe are often deep-seated and go back centuries. Nothing will change overnight here.

Perhaps also having more examples of respectable, successful Roma in the media might help.
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Postby momopi » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:26 pm

I don't know about Gypsies in Eastern Europe, but here in OC, CA many of the fortune teller places are operated by extended Gypsy families, and if you want to open a palm reading shop, they'd come and extort $ from you ("rent" in their turf) unless if you closed shop. They have a poor reputation for exploiting naive people who believes in fortune telling.


http://www.ocregister.com/articles/stev ... karen.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22118242/ <--- highly recommended article

"Gypsies — also known as Romany — began arriving in the U.S. from Romania toward the end of the 19th century. Experts believe there are now about 1 million in America, one-fifth of them in California, where they dominate the fortunetelling and psychic shops in funky beach communities and other neighborhoods."
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Postby Adama » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:03 pm

To be honest I dont know much. I correspond online with a couple of Hungarian girls. That's about all I know about it. No official stats.
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Postby stravelcostia » Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:11 am

Rome is a great place........
u don't need 2 get tensed......

Thanks........
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Postby Jackal » Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:09 pm

stravelcostia wrote:Rome is a great place........
u don't need 2 get tensed......

Thanks........

I think you are confused. "Roma" in this thread is the more respectful name for the people who are more commonly known as "gypsies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_%28Romani_subgroup%29

Also, this thread is about Eastern Europe. Italy is in Southern Europe.

However, lots of people do get confused about the differences between Roma, Roman, Romani, Romanian, Romansh, etc.
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Postby Adama » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:18 am

Jackal wrote:
stravelcostia wrote:Rome is a great place........
u don't need 2 get tensed......

Thanks........

I think you are confused. "Roma" in this thread is the more respectful name for the people who are more commonly known as "gypsies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_%28Romani_subgroup%29

Also, this thread is about Eastern Europe. Italy is in Southern Europe.

However, lots of people do get confused about the differences between Roma, Roman, Romani, Romanian, Romansh, etc.


I met a Swiss girl a couple of years ago and she said the proportion of Romansh people there is so small that no one really worries about them.
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Postby Jackal » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:25 pm

J.Adama wrote:I met a Swiss girl a couple of years ago and she said the proportion of Romansh people there is so small that no one really worries about them.

Yeah, but that's a different issue. Romansh is a Romance language which descended from Latin, so I don't think that Roma (gypsies) speak it. The Roma people originally came from India. The Romansh people came from somewhere within the former Roman Empire (they're basically ethnic Europeans).

The gypsy language is Romani, and there are many different dialects of it across Europe with different names.

Like I said, all these differences can be confusing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romansh_people
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people
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Postby Jackal » Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:35 pm

Here's something that happened recently:

One of the Hungarian teachers at my school is a gypsy or at least part-gypsy. She said "Hello" to a woman who is one of the white Hungarian teachers at my school. The white teacher just replied, "I didn't greet you."

Man, that was pretty cold...

I feel bad for a lot of the gypsies here. I've never had a problem with them.
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Postby Think Different » Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:49 pm

Jackal wrote:Here's something that happened recently:

One of the Hungarian teachers at my school is a gypsy or at least part-gypsy. She said "Hello" to a woman who is one of the white Hungarian teachers at my school. The white teacher just replied, "I didn't greet you."

Man, that was pretty cold...

I feel bad for a lot of the gypsies here. I've never had a problem with them.


I came into contact with a lot of Roma in the Czech Republic, and the Czechs were just foul and cruel to them, at the same time insulting them as thieves and horrible people. The only ones I saw with horrible behavior towards another, were the Czechs towards the Roma. I've always been one to stand up for the underdog and it's gotten me in trouble. When the Czechs told me that I was crazy for doing so, I told them that their prejudice was not part of my history and that in America "gypsies" are considered exotic and "cool", they thought I was totally full of shit and an idiot.
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Postby Jackal » Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:53 am

Although I've never had a problem with the gypsies in Hungary, one gypsy man did try to cut my pockets with a razor blade in Prague once in a subway station. So some are definitely criminals, but not all of them.
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Postby Think Different » Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:57 pm

This kid is a jazz guitar genius. He's a Hungarian Roma from Slovakia. All I can say is, this kid's got an amazing gift if he can play like that at that age. So much for the hatred towards gypsies! I think it's clear now who is and isn't the ignoramus in the Eastern European vs. Gypsy battle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYUkEiH1Daw
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