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8 Alternatives to Working a Regular Job You Don't Like

Post by Winston » October 16th, 2012, 5:49 pm

Check out my new article about alternatives to having to work a regular job you don't like. You guys will love option #7. :)

http://blog.happierabroad.com/2012/10/a ... r-job.html

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8 Alternatives to Working a Regular Job You Don't Like
By Winston Wu


In America and Asia, we are conditioned to "live to work". But unless you have a job that you love and are proud of, having to go to a job everyday can feel like a prison. It becomes a mind numbing routine where your life is controlled and in submission, while your mind is indoctrinated to "live for the company" you work for rather than for your heart.

The result of this is that your life and mind are stripped of freedom and you live an inauthentic life, like a robot or automaton. You are supposed to love to work and love your job of course, but not everyone is fortunate enough to do something they love. Many have to work solely to pay their bills, and their heart is not in it.

This workaholic culture (which is at its most extreme in America and Asia) is especially bad in Asia, where employers are allowed to make their employees work long hours, sometimes even requiring them to work 6 or 7 days a week, on a fixed monthly salary. (Ironically, Chinese bosses and workers forget that ancient Chinese wisdom says that extremes are never good, and that everything must be in moderation. But of course, money is more important than wisdom in the insanity of modern society.)

Some are able to tolerate this, but those who are freespirits, nonconformists, Bohemians, artists and creative types tend to be unable to endure this for long. They become restless and feel trapped, like they are not living true to themselves. They begin getting up late everyday and subconsciously sabotaging their work in order to get themselves fired, because deep down, they want out. It is for these types that this article is written for.

If you can't find a good job that you love, or do not like the enslaving routine of a 9 to 5 regular job, here are some alternative options and choices to consider:

1. Self-employment doing what you love, such as making money online with a website or blog. Consider working for yourself doing something you love by starting some type of business. This is not an easy route and not everyone can make it, but some people can, and so it's an option to consider. The best and most mobile scenario is to have an online business, where little to no investment capital is required, and hence not much risk involved. (This is what I do)

A mentor of mine named Walt Goodridge wrote a great book on how to make a living in self-employment doing what you love, called "Turn Your Passion into Profit". I highly recommend it as it is very empowering, awakening and informative. You can get it at his website: http://www.passionprofit.com

He and I recommend a portable type of business, such as an online business you can work from home or while traveling, rather than a traditional "brick and mortar" business which requires investment capital and risk, along with a high failure rate which could result in you losing money. I've also written a basic overview guide on making money online at: http://blog.happierabroad.com/2012/01/h ... th-vs.html

If you don't have any web design skills, you can consider using SBI to build, launch, promote and manage your web business. They handle all the complicated technical aspects for you. All you need to do is work hard in promoting your passion. Check out their Passion page (http://passion.sitesell.com/happierabroad.html) or their easy-to-understand Video Tour (http://videotour.sitesell.com/happierabroad.html) that explains how they can help you and what they can do for you.

Steve Pavlina has some good advice about making money from your website or blog and building traffic for it at the links below:
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/0 ... e-or-blog/
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/0 ... your-blog/
http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/1 ... out-a-job/

2. Adopt a more minimalist lifestyle focused more on spirituality, interpersonal relationships, frugality and richness of experiences, rather than on materialism and status. What this means is that you stop buying useless junk and trying to acquire luxury items that you don't need. Stop judging your life and others by materialistic standards. Adopt a more spiritual perspective rather than a materialistic one. Be satisfied with having what you need, without having to attain a nice car and house, which requires work and debt to pay off. This will allow you to be more debt free and so you can focus on higher aspirations.

Here are some tips:

- Stop wasteful spending and buying useless junk you don't need to show off or fill your emptiness. Try to fill your emptiness with more wholesome things that enrich your soul and spirit, rather than leave you flat. Material things cannot fill your void. The rich are not happier than everyone else. Experienced travelers will tell you that the happiest people in the world are not those who have too little or too much, but just enough.

- Evaluate your life based on the richness of your experiences, rather than material acquisition and career status. In this way, life becomes more conscious, meaningful and authentic. The happiest people learn how to do this.

- Live more frugally and economically. There are many ways to live frugally so that you spend a lot less to meet your needs. There are many books and websites with tips and tricks on living more frugally. (Google "frugal living" to see a list) You'd be surprised of all the ways you can cut costs and live more economically. It's easier than you think. This way, you reduce your expenses and hence your dependence on money so that you can live more freely and seeking higher purposes of your true calling.

- Minimize your attachments. Try to sever unnecessary attachments to people and things you don't really need or don't serve your life purpose, that are causing a drain on you. Remember that the more attachments you have, the more expenses and burden you will bear, which will impede your freedom and make you more dependent on money. Keep only the attachments that are necessary or special that you deem are of worthy value and quality. (What this means of course, is that it's better not to have children, if your goal is to be less dependent on money, since raising children requires big long term expenses. But of course, that's a personal decision that only you (and your partner) can make.)

- Eject people who are a bad influence on your life. People who try to bring you down, cause stress and conflict, and drain you like energy vampires, will only impede you. You are better off without them. Instead, cultivate quality interpersonal relationships with those you have real synergy with.

- Consider relocating to areas with a lower cost of living which will allow you to live on less. For example, Oregon, Nevada and New Mexico have lower costs of living compared to states such as California or New York. In such areas, one can live on less, amidst more beautiful and naturesque surroundings which are more conducive to relaxation and stress-free living. (Relocating overseas is another option with great benefits, which I will cover later below.)

- Consider selling your home and live in a trailer in the desert, forest or mountains. There are plenty of trailer parks available that are very cheap to live in. Or you can travel around the country in an RV, with all the necessities of living inside, which allows you mobility as well as the ability to camp in a trailer park or RV park whenever you like. (Contrary to the stereotype, not all people who live in trailer parks are "trailer trash". Some are very friendly, down to earth and talkative, and not as snobby as people in suburban neighborhoods. But it depends on the area of course.)

If you do all this well, you can greatly reduce your dependence on money and survive by working less, even part time, or on small self-employment income doing something you love, as suggested in option #1. Making these changes may make you look poorer, but being poor and free and living stress free and having more free time is better than looking well off but having no freedom, lots of stress and no free time. You just have to learn to not care what others think, if you truly want to be free.

Remember this important lesson: Making less money while having more peace of mind, more free time, and less stress is BETTER than making more money but with more stress, less free time and less peace of mind. There's simply no comparison. Don't let the materialistic values of your culture fool you. Remember that old saying, "No one on their death bed wishes they had spent more time at the office."

3. Find a rich partner to date or marry. Well I guess that's an option that some people may pursue, especially women of course, but I'm not here to give advice on it. :P There are dating sites for finding sugar daddies and sugar babies though, such as: http://www.seekingarrangement.com

4. Live with your parents. This is another option of course, but it carries a negative loser stigma in Western society. In Asia, it is the norm though, as one usually lives with their parents, even in adulthood, until they are married or have an occupation that requires relocation. Regardless though, there are many adults in America who live with their parents, more than you might think, but they don't draw public attention to it.

In any case, living with your parents definitely saves you money, and as long as you have a good relationship with your folks and are doing something productive with your life, it shouldn't matter what other people think. You do not have to conform to other people's standards. They don't own you and you don't owe them anything. As long as you are not hurting anyone, it's none of other people's business.

5. Live and work in in an eco-village or organic farm. There are eco-minded communities, aka "intentional communities", which live and work on organic farms and settlements that promote environmentally conscious living. Joining one costs little or nothing and requires commitment to working on the farm or other community projects. Although this is work, it is "happy work" which gives you a sense of belonging and fellowship with others that humans had in ancient times, which was lost by the regimentation and isolationism of modern society. If you this might be your thing, here is more information.

Global EcoVillage Network
http://gen.ecovillage.org/

Directory of EcoVillages
http://directory.ic.org/records/ecovillages.php

Wikipedia Resources
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecovillage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_communities

You can also work on organic farms around the world in exchange for room, board and food. Such programs are called WWOOF - World Wide Opportunities on Organic Farms. For more info about them, see these links:

http://www.wwoof.net
http://wwoofinternational.org/
http://woofing.info/all-you-need-to-kno ... uirements/

6. Travel by hitchhiking and using free accommodation websites. You might think it's impossible to travel with little or no money, but some have done exactly that. I knew a woman once who traveled the world with her partner for 5 years, starting with only 600 dollars, by using hitchhiking and free accommodation clubs like Servas (http://www.servas.org). She went by the name "Kinga Freespirit" and was well known in hitchhiking circles, though sadly she passed away in Africa of cerebral malaria. Her website still stands though, as a tribute to her inspiring journeys around the world: http://www.hitchhiketheworld.com

I also know a guy named Charles DiBella, a cycling enthusiast, who has traveled around Asia in areas such as Thailand and Cambodia on little or no money, by simplying cycling around. He says it is one of life's greatest experiences. In doing so, he has made friends with local villagers and monks in Buddhist monasteries, who give him free accommodation in exchange for English lessons and his volunteer work in helping poor kids in the community acquire skills and education. His website is at: http://www.bikepaths.org

There are also popular free accommodation websites with many members from every country, such as http://www.hospitalityclub.org and http://www.couchsurfing.org . You can join them and find warm hosts who will accommodate you when you travel, which saves you from big hotel expenses. However, this is not just a free hotel, but more of like a "culture exchange" between open minded people. So you have to be a real people person in order to participate, as staying in stranger's homes requires a very open mind. It is very safe though, as these sites have feedback and references for each member from other members.

If you don't like staying in stranger's homes, you can stay in backpacking hostels. There are plenty of hostels in every country and region, which start as low as $20 a night. But these are dorm rooms which require sharing with other backpackers. Private rooms are available, but they cost more. You can find a directory listing of hostels at: http://www.hostels.com

Fortunately, food expenses are controllable in that there are always cheap and expensive options for eating everywhere you go. You may not always be able to eat well if you are on a tight budget, but you can always eat cheap at least.

7. Consider living overseas in a country where cost of living is lower. Now this might be a more taboo and unconventional option, but it makes sense and many expats are happy doing it. The truth is, in most countries outside the USA, cost of living is much less, so your money is worth more, which gives you more freedom and free time in addition to buying power. Great hot spots for lower cost of living include Eastern Europe, Central Europe, Ukraine, Russia, Southeast Asia, China, Latin America and many small lesser known islands such as Saipan.

There are 200 countries in the world, and you do not have to limit yourself to one. US citizens (and those of first world countries) are allowed to immigrate to most foreign countries, as long as they meet the visa requirements and laws of that country. This is one of the biggest secrets not considered by the mainstream, simply because it runs against our belief that America is the best place in the world with the greatest lifestyle and opportunity.

But the truth is, many facts make this a viable option to the high cost of living in America. These facts are an advantage to the expat that transcend any notion of patriotism or pride. Here is a list of some of the major advantages and benefits of living overseas:

a) Lower cost of living in most foreign countries. In most foreign countries, living expenses are lower than in America. Healthcare is also much more affordable and reasonable, not outrageous like in the US. But this doesn't mean that you have to live in a third world shithole in unsafe and unsanitary conditions. You can always find a middle ground. For example, Poland and Hungary are clean and modernized, yet the cost of living there costs less than in the US, and healthcare is much more affordable too. There are many options between the most expensive countries (USA, UK, Western Europe, Japan, etc.) and the poorest countries.

The important thing is that the majority of foreign countries do have a lower cost of living than in America. That is a real fact to consider. What this means is that you can work less, live on less money, or live on self-employment more easily, than you can in the US. English teaching jobs are also always available in most countries.

b) Healthy living. Food is more natural with less chemicals and artificial ingredients. In Europe for example, one does not need to go to an organic health food store to eat healthy. Mainstream food there, even in restaurants, is mostly natural and organic already. You also don't need a car in Europe, where public transportation is much more available and convenient. And walking gives you more exercise than driving everyday, which is one reason why people in other countries are much more slim and less obese than in America.

c) Dating and relationships. This is especially good news for males, and even for females too. American males who live overseas usually report that foreign females usually treat them better and are more feminine. They also are not as hateful or defensive toward men. Instead, they seem to have an innocence and naturalness that is long gone in the US. American females also report that men overseas seem different in that they don't have the inferiority complexes, dysfunctional personalities, and need for bragging that males in the US tend to have. All of this is more conducive to natural wholesome relationships, for both genders (based on my experiences and those of many that I know).

Of course, foreign countries have their downsides as well, depending on the country. Every culture has its pros and cons, so you have to find a combination of pros and cons that work best for you. The point is, as a US citizen (or first world citizen), you have OPTIONS and are not limited to only living in 1 out of 200 countries. You don't have to ignore or neglect the advantages other countries offer. Don't let patriotic pride get in the way of your happiness.

There are many expat websites with info and advice on relocating overseas. I have compiled a list of them here: http://www.happierabroad.com/travelexpat.htm

If you can't or don't want to live overseas, you can consider relocating to other US states where cost of living is lower, sell your home and live in a trailer park out in nature, or buy an RV to travel around in, as explained earlier in option #2.

8. Extra work in films and promotional gigs through talent agencies

If you are near a major city, you can be an extra in films, TV shows, commercials and corporate videos. This kind of work is easy to get. No experience is necessary. You just have to show up, follow directions and bring several sets of clothes. The pay is minimum wage, but it's fun and easy. I know from personal experience since I used to work for a talent agency in Reno, NV.

Most of the time as an extra is spent waiting in the lounge with the other extras. They feed you meals, provide snacks in the waiting lounge, and call you when they are ready to shoot the scene. The people who show up as extras are usually very social and friendly with each other. They tend to be wannabe actors who don't like working regular jobs. For some reason, those types are very social with strangers. You can make a lot of friends talking to other extras in the waiting area. Even the girls there are friendly and will talk to you, though that doesn't mean they will go out with you.

Local talent agencies cast for extra work. It is easy to get. Just call all the talent agencies in your local yellow pages, or find them online via Google. Then call them or email them for submission procedures. When I did this in the 1990's, I called all the ones in the phone book. Nowadays you can just contact them online or apply online probably. There are even online agencies nowadays. Just Google "Talent agencies in *your city*" or "Extra work in films in *your city*". There is probably a national website that handles it all nowadays.

If you are reliable, they will tend to give you more extra work, or ask you to call an extras hotline for directions to the next gig. They also seem to like casting minorities for some reason, especially Asians, probably to give the video a multicultural look. There are not many Asians in acting or trying to get extra work, so any Asian that comes along will be perceived as extra valuable. (I know this from personal experience since I'm Asian) Some people even work as regular extras everyday in TV series.

If you are lucky, sometimes the director will bump up an extra to a speaking role, which means big bucks and makes you eligible to join SAG (Screen Actors Guild) if you work three days in a speaking role. This happens rarely, but it did happen to a hot Asian chick on Nash Bridges one time, with Don Johnson.

The easiest extra work to get is for blockbuster movies, small budget local commercials, and corporate videos, aka industrial videos. For example, in Seattle or Redmond WA, Microsoft casts for corporate videos regularly through talent agencies and casting agencies. It's easy work. You just sit in the background and do what they say, and they give you a hundred dollar bill in an envelope afterward.

Talent agencies also assign promotional work as well. Companies are always trying to promote new products. So they contract with marketing agencies, who in turn contract with talent agencies to find actors and models to do temporary promotional work. In these gigs, they have you stand in public streets or malls and pass out flyers or give out samples of a company's new product. It's easy work with no pressure. You don't have to sell anything. You just have to approach people and put flyers in their hands or get them to sample the product you're promoting.

You don't have to look like a model though. They can't always get models to do this kind of work, so they will often just settle for an average looking person. They gave me tons of this kind of work after all. I was really good at it because I enjoyed approaching women every minute, and this gave me a legitimate excuse to do so. :)

These promotional gigs pay about $10 an hour and are very easy. I did it for years. As long as you're reliable and do your job cheerfully, they will always have promotional gigs for you because companies are always trying to promote new products. So the work can be very regular, if you want to work regularly that is. Summer, when people are outdoors, is the peak season for this kind of work. It's also fun in that you promote a different product every week and get to stand outside and enjoy the sun.

This is all independent contractor work with no commitment. You can quit anytime. But if you are reliable they will give you regular work. I did lots of extra work and promotion gigs through talent agencies. Call all the ones you in your area and ask how to apply. Or email them if they have a website. It's easy and fun.

I did this kind of work a lot in San Francisco and Seattle, so if any of you are in that area, I can tell you who to contact. I also worked for a talent agency in Reno, NV, so I can tell you who to call for that area too.

Warning: Beware of talent agencies who quickly try to sell you expensive acting classes. Many of them do this. When you come in, they tell you that you have a lot of potential and all you need is some training, so they try to sweet talk you into paying $900 for their acting classes or modeling classes. Or they will require you to get new headshots from only their photographer.

These are considered scams by the industry, but many lower end agencies profit mainly from this kind of thing, so they don't have much choice. Some of these lower end agencies who try to sell you classes do give you real work. But you should try to see if they will give you work without paying for their classes or paying for new headshots from their photographer. Be firm about it and see if they will give in. You should also ask around to see which agencies are more legit, or try to Google their reputation.

To learn more about becoming an extra in films, see the links below:
http://www.wikihow.com/Become-an-Extra-in-a-Movie
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... extra.html
http://www.entertainmentcareers.net/res ... -an-extra/
http://beinamovie.com/extra/index.php

To see a list of national casting calls for extras, check here:
https://www.backstage.com/casting/open- ... s-casting/

Conclusion

Thanks for reading. Hope these above options will give you alternatives to consider. Of course, you can do a combination of the above options too. Always remember, "where there's a will, there's a way." And most importantly, remember to always live TRUE to yourself and live authentically. So I recommend this book by Walt Goodridge: http://www.livingtruetoyourself.com

Thanks for reading.

Sincerely,
Winston Wu

See also:
How to Make Money Online So You Can Live and Travel Freely
How to be Free and Conscious in a Society of Enslavement and Fear

Recommended:
http://postmasculine.com/kill-your-day-job
http://postmasculine.com/minimalism
http://postmasculine.com/wealth
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Post by djfourmoney » October 19th, 2012, 4:47 am

Why do you think Pat Flynn's income reports are fraudulent?

More than a few people I have seen are generating some decent income off Blue Host for example. On top of that, if they have started a blog based on his advice or a podcast based on Cliff's advice then I can see them both getting paid very well by Blue Host.

I would also say in his niche which is how to make money online, I can see why his eBooks would be more popular than yours since leaving America or thinking the problem is society and not you being a man is the reasons why you're single or unhappy goes against almost everything people are told, which is explain why most people will never leave and complain instead.

Just wondering...

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Post by Winston » October 19th, 2012, 8:16 am

djfourmoney wrote:Why do you think Pat Flynn's income reports are fraudulent?

More than a few people I have seen are generating some decent income off Blue Host for example. On top of that, if they have started a blog based on his advice or a podcast based on Cliff's advice then I can see them both getting paid very well by Blue Host.

I would also say in his niche which is how to make money online, I can see why his eBooks would be more popular than yours since leaving America or thinking the problem is society and not you being a man is the reasons why you're single or unhappy goes against almost everything people are told, which is explain why most people will never leave and complain instead.

Just wondering...
What does that have to do with the topic of this thread? There is another thread about Pat Flynn here in the forum. You should have posted your comment there instead. Try to be more organized and relevant in your posts.

My reasons are explained in great detail here:

http://intellectualexpat.blogspot.com/2 ... ncome.html

Didn't you see them? Why are you asking? Why do you think his claims must be true? If everyone were honest and accurate simply because they "said" they were honest and accurate, then no liars or BSers would exist in this world. Is that what you believe?

Dude, he doesn't sell ebooks about making money online. He sold ebooks about passing an architect exam on his site greenacademyexam.com. He claims that in his first month, he made $8,000 from ebook sales alone. It's highly improbable.

Dude, you can't just follow someone's advice or formula and succeed. Reality doesn't work that way. Let me give you a lesson in reality:

There's no such thing as a formula for success. It doesn't work that way. You can't just emulate a successful person by doing what he/she did and get the same results, at least not in business.

If you don't have the passion, talent and timing, it's not going to work for you, even if you follow some alleged formula. Do you think you can just copy everything Bill Gates did and get the same results he did, especially since he beat you to it and is already at the top of the pyramid and has dominated the market? lol

If you could succeed by just following a formula, then every business would succeed. All they would have to do is follow a formula. Duh. Yeah right. But most small businesses fail within the first year.

Let me give you another example. Can you ask an Olympic Gold Medalist to teach you how to win a gold medal? Can you just do everything he/she did and win a gold medal yourself? Nope. It doesn't work that way, because there are many other factors that caused the athlete to win a gold medal, and formulas are not it. Besides hard work, talent, luck, timing, karma, divine will, genetics, etc. also affect the outcome. Some people are also good and talented at a certain niche.

Timing is also crucial. You have to be the first person in the niche or category to establish a base. If you are not, then it's much harder for you to compete. But if you are the first one to start something unique that works, then you have a much better chance. For example, if you had started an online auction before Ebay, you would have had the chance to make it big in a new market. But you can't start an online auction now and compete with Ebay. No way.

Therefore, to make it, you have to start something that's not been done before, or improve on an existing niche or specialty, which others have not before.

So you see, it's not that simple as following a formula. What you gotta do is this: Figure out what you do best and capitalize on that. Look for innovative ideas that fulfill what people want. And never quit. That's what you gotta do.

Hope that makes sense to you.
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Post by djfourmoney » October 20th, 2012, 7:48 am

I understand and at first I was looking at your reply as condensing but its not at least not at the end of it.

There is no formula I get that and I know about his other sites and the one site he doesn't disclose what it is but post the earnings from.

I agree its sort of doesn't add up at times. He did buy a $2K Canon DSLR so I know he's making SOME money. His dream car is a Audi R8 which is just about $100K, if he wanted one and is generating 50K a month between his web sites, even after taxes he should be able to put a sizable down payment on one and either do a short lease or short payment plan.

I have seen the other Pat Flynn thread but I asked the question here since you made the point to question his income, I was wondering what prompted that.

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Post by Winston » October 20th, 2012, 7:57 am

djfourmoney wrote:I understand and at first I was looking at your reply as condensing but its not at least not at the end of it.

There is no formula I get that and I know about his other sites and the one site he doesn't disclose what it is but post the earnings from.

I agree its sort of doesn't add up at times. He did buy a $2K Canon DSLR so I know he's making SOME money. His dream car is a Audi R8 which is just about $100K, if he wanted one and is generating 50K a month between his web sites, even after taxes he should be able to put a sizable down payment on one and either do a short lease or short payment plan.

I have seen the other Pat Flynn thread but I asked the question here since you made the point to question his income, I was wondering what prompted that.
I did not question his income in this thread though. Look above. I wrote:

"As to making money online, a good resource with a lot of valuable advice can be found at: http://www.smartpassiveincome.com I've also written a basic overview guide on making money online at: http://intellectualexpat.blogspot.com/2 ... th-vs.html "

I recommended his site because it has a lot of good advice on making money online and starting a website. I didn't question his income above. You are getting the other thread mixed up with this one.

Yes I can be condescending sometimes, but that's part of my personality.

I didn't say he wasn't making any money. He obviously is since his smart passive income blog is ranked very high and estimated to be worth a lot by other site analysts. But he is making money by teaching other people how to make money, which is in a borderline gray area of shadiness.

What I questioned was his claim that he made $8,000 in his first month from the sale of one ebook about taking an architect exam. You don't start with $8,000 a month in online income. Online businesses accrue earnings slowly, starting with little or nothing. He did send me a screen shot to prove these earnings, but of course, screen shots can easily be faked. You can fake a webpage by altering its html too.

I'm not saying I know for sure that he's lying. But some of his claims are suspicious.
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Post by djfourmoney » October 20th, 2012, 9:15 am

Okay point taken. You disclosed you were making a few hundred on Google Ad Sense when you created the NSFW forum because Google was knocking you for us (including me) posting information about prostitution.

That proved to me, as well that with the content I am going to create for my blog(s), that generating even that amount I would be happy but I am of course looking to generate more than that.

I know the key to most of this is backlinking which now Pat employs VA's to do the majority of this work.

Like I mention in the other thread (the link you posted in the first reply) the ideas I have are niche and in one case extremely niche, I might even say too narrow.

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Post by Winston » October 20th, 2012, 10:45 am

djfourmoney wrote:Okay point taken. You disclosed you were making a few hundred on Google Ad Sense when you created the NSFW forum because Google was knocking you for us (including me) posting information about p4p.

That proved to me, as well that with the content I am going to create for my blog(s), that generating even that amount I would be happy but I am of course looking to generate more than that.

I know the key to most of this is backlinking which now Pat employs VA's to do the majority of this work.

Like I mention in the other thread (the link you posted in the first reply) the ideas I have are niche and in one case extremely niche, I might even say too narrow.
Yeah but Adsense is one of my streams of income. I have about a dozen of them. My friend told me that Adsense gives you even lower earnings if you run other ads on the same page. He was making $400 a day from Adsense, but as soon as he put another ad on the same page, it dropped to $300 a day and never recovered after that, even when he removed the other ad. It's strange how such penalties don't get removed. You might want to keep that in mind. Thus I might be making more from Adsense if I had only Adsense. However, Google considers user generated content on forums to be lower quality, so that might be why the earnings here from Adsense aren't as high. Plus, forum users tend to be focused on reading and writing, not on ads.

Anyway, in any niche, there's only so much room at the top of the pyramid. Not everyone can be at the top. So it's highly competitive and you'd better offer something new. That's why most people who follow Pat Flynn can't become successful, even if they do everything he says.

How do you employ VA's to do backlinks for you? If they do it wrong, Google will penalize you.

How did you find out about Pat Flynn? From my posts?
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Post by xiongmao » October 20th, 2012, 12:03 pm

My AdSense earnings are way, way, down, and so are Google's! CPC's have plunged in the last few months. Google also smashed a load of sites (including mine) last month and they've effectively cut off their own hands. Hence their share price tanking 10%. Plus every Android phone they sell means less search revenue for them. With mobile they're cutting off their own head.

Forums generally have low earnings, but Winston should do more to recommend stuff for us to buy! Reputation sells.

I've stuck a forum on my dating site, and I've opened one in another niche. Forums are hard work though. As you can see my forum has a bit of a shortage of members. It's gonna be hard work to recruit some members. I've also had huge problems with hackers. Plus installing mods is quite complex.

I'd not recommend anyone try to make money online - I've lost around 75% of my online income in the last month. Even my 10yo business software site is now dead.

Thank goodness I have some new plans :).
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Post by romparoo » October 20th, 2012, 1:27 pm

7 Alternatives to Having to Work a Regular Job

How about ...

7 ways of making a gorgeous girl falls on your feet
7 ways of dating a male model
7 ways of getting a six figure salary with just high school education
7 ways of becoming a millionaire by age 30
7 ways of losing weight without losing a sweat
7 ways of getting that six packs you have always wanted but no worries it will only take you 15 minutes per week

the list goes on in this format:
[x] ways of [achieving something difficult] by [not doing what matters most]

No offence, this is a very typical American mindset, and the dangerous part is that this mindset is being rapidly exported to every corner of the world.

To be honest, a lot of problems, be they career, financial, relationship etc stems from people who aren't realistic and just want the easy way out. We all know the outcome ultimately, don't we?

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Post by Winston » October 20th, 2012, 3:45 pm

romparoo wrote:7 Alternatives to Having to Work a Regular Job

How about ...

7 ways of making a gorgeous girl falls on your feet
7 ways of dating a male model
7 ways of getting a six figure salary with just high school education
7 ways of becoming a millionaire by age 30
7 ways of losing weight without losing a sweat
7 ways of getting that six packs you have always wanted but no worries it will only take you 15 minutes per week

the list goes on in this format:
[x] ways of [achieving something difficult] by [not doing what matters most]

No offence, this is a very typical American mindset, and the dangerous part is that this mindset is being rapidly exported to every corner of the world.

To be honest, a lot of problems, be they career, financial, relationship etc stems from people who aren't realistic and just want the easy way out. We all know the outcome ultimately, don't we?
What do you mean? What is your point? If you have a better idea for an alternative, why don't you list it?

The stuff I listed does help and reduce one's dependence on money. They are practical and logical. I don't see you giving any better suggestions. If you have nothing helpful or useful to offer, then why do you bother posting such a cynical post that offers nothing?

What do you expect people to do? Many situations do not have an easy solution or win-win scenario. But cutting crap and BS from society does help simplify your life a lot.
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Post by romparoo » October 20th, 2012, 4:15 pm

Winston wrote: What do you mean? What is your point? If you have a better idea for an alternative, why don't you list it?

The stuff I listed does help and reduce one's dependence on money. They are practical and logical. I don't see you giving any better suggestions. If you have nothing helpful or useful to offer, then why do you bother posting such a cynical post that offers nothing?

What do you expect people to do? Many situations do not have an easy solution or win-win scenario. But cutting crap and BS from society does help simplify your life a lot.
There are essentially 2 camps and you have picked the one like you have said, "reduce one's dependence on money". I am from the other camp, much like "increasing one's money making potential through traditional means", which is why it seems like I haven't add anything to the discussion, because I didn't add any input on how to reduce dependence on money. I am all in for making more money using time tested methods, instead of taking frugality to a whole new level.

I am not saying which camp is right or wrong. It all boils down to choice. But I am sure, given everything equal, a woman will find the man with a yatch more attractive as compared to a man who's living in a trailer park. Cutting crap and BS from society? Too bad, women practically determine what a society is. You gotta cut off the women too.

Btw, I do agree with some of the things you said, but not those related to money. Living abroad is a very bad idea especially if:
1) You are of young working age,
2) You move from 1st world to 3rd world,
3) You move to 3rd world just so you can get a women but ruining your career at the same time.

I don't see my job as society's BS. It's a mean of earning what is rightfully mine, and I am proud of it. Granted I wouldn't want to work my ass off until I'm 60. Gonna call it off long before I reach that age and travel around the world with my women.

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Post by romparoo » October 20th, 2012, 4:27 pm

I think I haven't really clarified on my 'cynical' post. What I mean is, as men, we face some difficult choices and we can't have it both ways. If we want women, then we gonna need to earn money. And if we want gorgeous women, then we will need to earn significantly more. Cutting corners doesn't work.

I am posting those examples to highlight the suggestion that men shouldn't think like Anglo women. Anglo women like to have it both ways. They want a centrespread male model, but herself isn't that hot. She wants a rich man, but she is a slob who doesn't even want to do housework. She wants a nice man, yet she doesn't behave nice. And the list goes on. You want a hot women, yet you want to cut corners by saying, instead of making myself a good earner, I choose to cut down on many aspects of my life so I can sort of fit in without earning well.

This is why I say this is American mentality. Americans' obsession with easy ways also resulted in rapidly expanding waistline :P

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Post by publicduende » October 20th, 2012, 5:13 pm

I am still amazed how many people, even intelligent ones, fall into the myth of a "passive income" that will free them from the slavery of a daily job as an employee of some description. Now you tell me if this is not a mental short circuit: those who claim to be able to make a lot of money online are the people who hope to make money by selling advice (seminars, eBooks, website access) on how to make money online to other hopeful, or deluded, people. A few of them will go on and try to make money the same way. Obviously each of them will need an audience, and lots of hard work, and nothing is granted. These are the same arguments behind MLM and pyramid schemes, which have the only real effect to (eventually) afford wealth to the few people at the beginning of the chain.

I wouldn't want to confuse this kind of passive income with that which comes from having an original idea and pour years of hard work (at significant personal risk) to see it growing into something profitable. I'm an IT pro like Xiongmao and I sampled on my own skin how hard and risky is to invest time and effort on an idea that, however "awesome" and "innovative" might seem to the originator, has far less chance to grow into a self-sustainable and profitable business than, say, a Burger King franchise or a motorised coffee kiosk. I have actually met an Italian guy who had an idea to mount a mini coffee kiosk on the back of a Piaggio Apecar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaggio_Ape) and sell it to the good people of the City. His net inflows every day? £2,000. A day. Net, with little more operating costs than time, petrol. and a few bags of gourmet coffee. He doesn't even need a license for a kiosk, as he will sell for a couple of hours and move to a different spot.

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Post by Winston » October 20th, 2012, 10:37 pm

romparoo wrote:I think I haven't really clarified on my 'cynical' post. What I mean is, as men, we face some difficult choices and we can't have it both ways. If we want women, then we gonna need to earn money. And if we want gorgeous women, then we will need to earn significantly more. Cutting corners doesn't work.

I am posting those examples to highlight the suggestion that men shouldn't think like Anglo women. Anglo women like to have it both ways. They want a centrespread male model, but herself isn't that hot. She wants a rich man, but she is a slob who doesn't even want to do housework. She wants a nice man, yet she doesn't behave nice. And the list goes on. You want a hot women, yet you want to cut corners by saying, instead of making myself a good earner, I choose to cut down on many aspects of my life so I can sort of fit in without earning well.

This is why I say this is American mentality. Americans' obsession with easy ways also resulted in rapidly expanding waistline :P
I see your point. But my article wasn't written for those seeking gorgeous women. It was written for those seeking more freedom, for those who value freedom over security, and time over money, and to give some alternatives to having to work a job one doesn't like.

Not everyone gets to do something they love. Sure young people can work traditional jobs and save up money. Nothing wrong with that. But it takes away their freedom and leads to unhappiness. I mean, if a young guy had a great social life and a gorgeous girlfriend and was happy, he could get up everyday and go to work, than he could if he had nothing in the USA.

I'm just saying that other than your traditional route, there are alternative routes. One must do what makes them happy, not conform to what society says. Doing what someone else says doesn't bring you happiness, if it's not what you want.

So what you are saying sounds kind of narrow and doesn't see the big picture. But not everyone is broad minded.

Many men are happy with 6's or 7's. Not all men need gorgeous women. Hippie women are fine with frugal living too, but they tend to be unattractive. But relationships based on money are never good and don't usually last long. The best people you meet are those you meet while following your heart, for they will be in line with your purpose.

Not everyone is cut out to be a wage slave working for someone else. Some people just can't stand it. It's not them. For them, what alternative do you offer? Nothing?

My friend Walt has great advice for such people in his book: http://www.passionprofit.com

You are giving bad advice if you are asking people to be something they are not, or to conform to something against their wishes. We are born with sovereignty and inalienable rights. The US Constitution doesn't give us our rights. It merely validates them. One should not be required to conform to what others say. You must look at the big picture.

Also, your advice about making more money in order to spend more, is buying into materialism and the cyclical consumption that is undermining the planet's resources. Not good. Your view appears to be very narrow and doesn't look at the deeper and broader aspect of it all.
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Post by Excalibur » October 21st, 2012, 4:46 pm

This article is spot-on. I also resent the prevailing consumerism-based workaholic and status culture in America, which teaches everyone from the early childhood that in order to be happy and respected as an individual by society, one has to be wealthy and own a big house, fancy car, luxurious furniture and other expensive goods. Many people blindly aspire this ideal without realizing that they will be submitting themselves to a mechanical system that operated by greed and cold-heartedness. Many end up working 60 or more hours a week in a hostile atmosphere just to acquire the means to relish in the envy of people to whom they show their wealth. But one day, deep in their hearts, they may realize that they are yet miserable because they have no time for friends or hobbies, and that they are respected at their workplace only as long as they deliver the expected performance which is pushed higher and higher, therefore creating even more stress.

And if you look at it from the economic perspective, it's pure nonsense: You work so much that you have no time to actually enjoy your house, your car, your furniture... or showing your possessions to your friends... while you are still paying off your loans. So the return to investment is only marginal.

I for one know that this would not make me happy. I better have only a part-time job that doesn't pay so much, and I have no problem at all living a frugal lifestyle without all the unnecessary goodies, but I get much more pleasure if I elevate my spirit by reading a book, playing an adventurous computer game or travel to an interesting place.

However, I have a comment on suggestion #7. Living cost is lower overseas, but have you considered that wages are lower, too? And that there are other factors like language barriers that make it difficult to start a life overseas? The differential in living cost is not as high any longer as many people tend to think. I have been to Ukraine, and groceries in the supermarket are not much less expensive than in America. Price for housing and electricity is obviously low, but you have to take into account that a monthly wage of $200 is considered standard.

For those who prefer time and freedom to working their ass off, I would rather suggest either to reduce the spending on material things to a minimum while working the demanding job for a few more years in order to cushion up sizeable savings, which allows a decent life abroad even with a low-paying job. Or you stay in your country (the United States) and work a part-time job while you sacrifice the unnecessary and expensive junk, but enjoy your leisure. So the easy advice of moving abroad has to be taken with a grain of salt.

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