Is spanking children effective and necessary?

[jamesbond]

Well I think homosexuality is genetic, not learned.

genuine homosexuals, are either the result of genetics (i suppose it's possible ), or more likely, a developmental disorder. they should consist of 1, maybe 5% of the population

the vast majority of homosexuals learned that behaviour. humans can be manipulated to do anything.
about 50% of young american women now believe they are bi-sexual, if not lesbian all together. if you say you're bisexual you might as well scream I'M BRAINWASHED. the gay agenda is very real. it's a bigger danger to us than any other goal of the 'new world order'.

Numerous studies have shown that homosexuality is NOT genetic, it is the result of bad parenting (abscent father, or domineering mother). I have a degree in psychology and in college I read a great deal of studies done on what causes homosexuality. Genetics have NOTHING to do with it! Only 1 to 2% of the population is gay.

Gay rights activists will tell you 10% of the population is gay, that is completely FALSE! I have read numerous case studies done where people went through counseling and relived some of their childhood pain (usually the pain from being abused by mom or dad) and after a year or so, they had no more homosexual thoughts or desires. A lot of them got married and had children.

You can google case studies regarding the fact that homosexuality is learned behavior and is a way to try to get the love from the same sex parent, that you didn't get as a child.

[swincor]

Well I think homosexuality is genetic, not learned.

genuine homosexuals, are either the result of genetics (i suppose it's possible ), or more likely, a developmental disorder. they should consist of 1, maybe 5% of the population

the vast majority of homosexuals learned that behaviour. humans can be manipulated to do anything.
about 50% of young american women now believe they are bi-sexual, if not lesbian all together. if you say you're bisexual you might as well scream I'M BRAINWASHED. the gay agenda is very real. it's a bigger danger to us than any other goal of the 'new world order'.

Numerous studies have shown that homosexuality is NOT genetic, it is the result of bad parenting (abscent father, or domineering mother). I have a degree in psychology and in college I read a great deal of studies done on what causes homosexuality. Genetics have NOTHING to do with it! Only 1 to 2% of the population is gay.

Gay rights activists will tell you 10% of the population is gay, that is completely FALSE! I have read numerous case studies done where people went through counseling and relived some of their childhood pain (usually the pain from being abused by mom or dad) and after a year or so, they had no more homosexual thoughts or desires. A lot of them got married and had children.

You can google case studies regarding the fact that homosexuality is learned behavior and is a way to try to get the love from the same sex parent, that you didn't get as a child.

Homosexuality is a disease of the soul. It colors a person's entire outlook of himself and the world.

It is, as Linux rightly points out, a developmental disorder.

Yes, the gay agenda is very real. The liberal establishment, the government, and the media would have you believe that homosexuals are essentially normal people who just happen to have a different sexual orientation.

The truth is that homosexuality is an abomination, and should be seen as such by every spiritually healthy person. There is NO such thing as a "normal" homosexual person.

[The_Hero_of_Men]

Well I think homosexuality is genetic, not learned.

genuine homosexuals, are either the result of genetics (i suppose it's possible ), or more likely, a developmental disorder. they should consist of 1, maybe 5% of the population

the vast majority of homosexuals learned that behaviour. humans can be manipulated to do anything.
about 50% of young american women now believe they are bi-sexual, if not lesbian all together. if you say you're bisexual you might as well scream I'M BRAINWASHED. the gay agenda is very real. it's a bigger danger to us than any other goal of the 'new world order'.

Numerous studies have shown that homosexuality is NOT genetic, it is the result of bad parenting (abscent father, or domineering mother). I have a degree in psychology and in college I read a great deal of studies done on what causes homosexuality. Genetics have NOTHING to do with it! Only 1 to 2% of the population is gay.

Gay rights activists will tell you 10% of the population is gay, that is completely FALSE! I have read numerous case studies done where people went through counseling and relived some of their childhood pain (usually the pain from being abused by mom or dad) and after a year or so, they had no more homosexual thoughts or desires. A lot of them got married and had children.

You can google case studies regarding the fact that homosexuality is learned behavior and is a way to try to get the love from the same sex parent, that you didn't get as a child.

Homosexuality is a disease of the soul. It colors a person's entire outlook of himself and the world.

It is, as Linux rightly points out, a developmental disorder.

Yes, the gay agenda is very real. The liberal establishment, the government, and the media would have you believe that homosexuals are essentially normal people who just happen to have a different sexual orientation.

The truth is that homosexuality is an abomination, and should be seen as such by every spiritually healthy person. There is NO such thing as a "normal" homosexual person.

You probably do not believe in the Bible, but let me point something out: God SPECIFICALLY singles out homosexuality as an abomination (Leviticus 18:22). Why does God specifically target Homosexuality? Why not target murder, thievery, adultery, idolatry, etc. as an abomination?

I do agree with you though.

[fschmidt]

You probably do not believe in the Bible, but let me point something out: God SPECIFICALLY singles out homosexuality as an abomination (Leviticus 18:22). Why does God specifically target Homosexuality? Why not target murder, thievery, adultery, idolatry, etc. as an abomination?

I'm an atheist, but now that I am reading the Bible, I realize that most religious people have no understanding of their own religion. The hysteria against homosexuality is a great example. Having read over the half the Bible, I have seen just one mention of homosexuality, Leviticus 18:22 as mentioned. So avoiding homosexuality is up there in importance with avoiding pork and shellfish. On the other hand, murder, thievery, adultery, idolatry, etc. are repeatedly discussed in the Bible. These are things that the Bible stresses as things to be avoided.

[The_Hero_of_Men]

You probably do not believe in the Bible, but let me point something out: God SPECIFICALLY singles out homosexuality as an abomination (Leviticus 18:22). Why does God specifically target Homosexuality? Why not target murder, thievery, adultery, idolatry, etc. as an abomination?

I'm an atheist, but now that I am reading the Bible, I realize that most religious people have no understanding of their own religion. The hysteria against homosexuality is a great example. Having read over the half the Bible, I have seen just one mention of homosexuality, Leviticus 18:22 as mentioned. So avoiding homosexuality is up there in importance with avoiding pork and shellfish. On the other hand, murder, thievery, adultery, idolatry, etc. are repeatedly discussed in the Bible. These are things that the Bible stresses as things to be avoided.

You are correct on that issue. Even if I were not a believer, I would still be anti-gay, simply because IT IS NOT NATURAL. Regardless of what the gay rights movement says, homosexuality is not natural. If homosexuality were natural, then it would be a part of our primal instincts.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to throw gays on a desert island and napalm them to death; I am just anti-gay. However, I have no problem with gay PEOPLE, just their lifestyle.

[Mr S]

Well I think homosexuality is genetic, not learned. But speaking of that, ever since he's seen me and Dianne make love and also seen me masturbate, my son has gotten horny and fascinated by "humping" too. He now humps people, including me, and seems to get a kick out of it for some reason. Very odd. Dianne even says that he's seen Angelo get a hard on. It's unusual for a 3 year old toddler to get horny isn't it?

Ummm, does anyone else here find this statement odd? Why would you let your kid watch you doing that stuff? It's going to mess with their subconscious and they will act out.

If you think about it, it's no different then letting you kid watch porn.

I found my father's playboy's and porno tapes at a young age (around 8 i think) and I think it messed up my sexual interests and ability to have a normal relationship with a woman when I matured.

You may think the kid doesn't know, understand or remember what you are doing but everything he sees and experiences is being logged into his brain and creating his persona in little ways overtly and covertly...

[swincor]

Well I think homosexuality is genetic, not learned. But speaking of that, ever since he's seen me and Dianne make love and also seen me masturbate, my son has gotten horny and fascinated by "humping" too. He now humps people, including me, and seems to get a kick out of it for some reason. Very odd. Dianne even says that he's seen Angelo get a hard on. It's unusual for a 3 year old toddler to get horny isn't it?

Ummm, does anyone else here find this statement odd? Why would you let your kid watch you doing that stuff? It's going to mess with their subconscious and they will act out.

If you think about it, it's no different then letting you kid watch porn.

I found my father's playboy's and porno tapes at a young age (around 8 i think) and I think it messed up my sexual interests and ability to have a normal relationship with a woman when I matured.

You may think the kid doesn't know, understand or remember what you are doing but everything he sees and experiences is being logged into his brain and creating his persona in little ways overtly and covertly...

Yes, it was very, VERY odd what he said. I noticed, and I was actually was about to post something, but since I don't have kids, I didn't feel it was my place to give him parenting advice.

I also knew there were other posters here who are fathers, so I was expecting they'd say something about it. To my surprise, none of them has. I'm not sure why, since I would think they wouldn't do that sort of thing to their own kids. But I could be wrong.

[keius]

Well I think homosexuality is genetic, not learned. But speaking of that, ever since he's seen me and Dianne make love and also seen me masturbate, my son has gotten horny and fascinated by "humping" too. He now humps people, including me, and seems to get a kick out of it for some reason. Very odd. Dianne even says that he's seen Angelo get a hard on. It's unusual for a 3 year old toddler to get horny isn't it?

Ummm, does anyone else here find this statement odd? Why would you let your kid watch you doing that stuff? It's going to mess with their subconscious and they will act out.

If you think about it, it's no different then letting you kid watch porn.

I found my father's playboy's and porno tapes at a young age (around 8 i think) and I think it messed up my sexual interests and ability to have a normal relationship with a woman when I matured.

You may think the kid doesn't know, understand or remember what you are doing but everything he sees and experiences is being logged into his brain and creating his persona in little ways overtly and covertly...

Yes, it was very, VERY odd what he said. I noticed, and I was actually was about to post something, but since I don't have kids, I didn't feel it was my place to give him parenting advice.

I also knew there were other posters here who are fathers, so I was expecting they'd say something about it. To my surprise, none of them has. I'm not sure why, since I would think they wouldn't do that sort of thing to their own kids. But I could be wrong.

Honestly, having sex in front of your kid is just....wierd. When my son was still an infant and couldn't even sit up much less stand up, it wasn't a big deal to mess around a bit with him watching. Although, I did have problems getting it up, with him watching or even being in the same room. Like i said, it was wierd. When he became more self aware...around 1 yr (give or take), we made sure not to do shit like that in front of him. They learn incredibly fast and adopt many of the parents behaviors. Not to mention, having your kid possibly climb on you while your going at it, just is....not right.

Anyway, Mr S already said something, which was why i didn't bother posting myself

BTW, Angelo's learned behavior isn't sexual in any way. He doesn't understand what sex even means. It's just behavior he's adopted from watching Winston & Diane. For him, it's just play. The problem is, it looks really messed up or even perverted to everyone else. Not the impression you want your kid to make. It makes an even worse impression for the parents of such a kid. Seems like common sense to me...yaknow.

[Truthville]

I find the idea of a child watching/be present while his/her parents are having sex to be repugnant to the highest degree.

I mean, you two just couldn't wait until the child is asleep or not present or stop when he appeared?

I find the idea of a child watching an adult masterbate to be very very close to sexual child abuse.

Once again, just couldn't wait until he wasn't there, or stop when he appeared?

I find the idea that Winston has done both, sadly, not surprising at all.

For these reasons, and many others Winston has "shared," I pity that poor boy and the dismal future in store for him.

I, in normal circumstances would never advocate this, but Winston should really just leave. He will be better off without him IMHO!

TruthVille

[odbo]

oh ya? you probably think she's a bad parent too!



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ever since he's seen me and Dianne make love and also seen me masturbate, my son has gotten horny and fascinated by "humping" too

on the bright side at least he's not being exposed to sexual programming via disney films and the trash on pbs

[Winston]

I think you'll find half are for spanking and the other half are not. I personally think that children behave better if they know there is a fear of a spanking if they act out of line or disrespect their parents. ***However, if you ever DO spank your child it's imperative to come back half an hour after the punishment and have a one on one with the child to discuss why they were spanked and how in the future they can avoid a spanking. The kids learn boundries and they view the spanking as a life lesson. In the end it allows parent and child to bond.

Well Dianne has found another effective solution. She found that locking Angelo in the guestroom for a few minutes while he screams and yells to get out, is also an effective deterrent.

As to homosexuality, well how come so many gays claim that they tried to fight their homosexuality but it took over them like a "biological drive" that they couldn't resist?

Why would anyone just wake up one day and decide to be gay? It makes no sense. That's why I believe their claims of it not being by choice. Aren't you guys being a little religious about this? A lot of our behavior is genetic. I was born with an overwhelming fear of heights for example. It was not conditioned. I am also a lot more sensitive than most people are. That was not conditioned by my culture or environment. A lot of what we are is inherent.

As for our son watching us have sex, well we've been doing that ever since he was a newborn. At that time, it didn't affect him. Since then, we saw no reason for change as he became a toddler. I still see him as a baby. Besides, we don't have sex that often anyway. And when he's here it is hard to have any privacy from him.

Btw, behavior is not all learned. I don't understand why most westerners are BIASED toward that view. It doesn't makes sense and doesn't explain a lot of things.

Angelo does not necessarily just see sex as playing. Ever since he was an infant, he's stared at women's legs with fascination and wonder, as if he were fantasizing about them. I guess some people appreciate such things earlier in life than others. lol. I too have a leg fetish, so perhaps he inherited that from me. lol

Also, Dianne says that she's seen Angelo have an erection as well. She was serious about it. I didn't know you could have an erection at 3 years old. I remember having one when I was 8 though. Btw, I've been masturbating since I was 8 cause I discovered that I was horny and full of lust, even at that age, so I guess some do get desires earlier than others.

But anyway guys, you are acting like paranoid Westerners who always assume the worst. Stop assuming the worst about everything. That is illogical. In reality, the worst rarely happens. Therefore, expecting it all the time is not logical. That is one of the fundamental flaws of the American mentality - seeing the worst in everything.

[keius]

Erections are perfectly normal for kids, toddlers, and sometimes infants. Think about your morning hardons, especially when you need to take a piss. This applies to children as well. Getting erections also means that they are developing and growing....blood flow, circulation, etc. My kid has erections all the time, since he was an infant. Kids always go through a phase where they like to play with their penis, especially during baths.

I would be concerned if the erection lasted a couple hours though. That's abnormal and you should see a pediatrician. If your son has never had an erection, i'd be concerned as well.

[odbo]

winston that last post makes it seem like either you're revealing yourself to be a complete fraud, or you're in the midst of a horrendous denial.

the way you're raising your son is beyond pathetic. you can take your story to lithuania, russia, taiwan, and anywhere else you have been.. and they'd all think you're a scumbag. it's not some american bias, in fact most modern americans raise their kids better!

also, your opinion about gays is premature and closed minded. it doesn't matter what you think you think if it's not true. wouldn't you agree? at least contemplate the possibility that homosexuality is learned behavior. it's like you're denying this so you can blaim whatever your son turns out on "genetics". what part of the word manipulation don't you understand? oh i'm sorry some faggots told you a biological drive came over them. and here i thought there was a large population of people just pretending ... to con society. since when are people able to tell the difference between biological vs cultural lust!!

for someone who spends so much of his time seeking the truth, reading conspiracies and even making a money off of this, you're hopelessly oblivious to social engineering and it's most common form, aka the "gay agenda" !?

when i was a child i noticed literally every single thing on tv was gay. the cartoons had gay innuendo, the films, the music videos, everything. not just top gun and a few others where they made it over the top obvious.

without sodomy there is none of this jehovian, zionist power struggle, there is no new world order!

please watch this documentary, it'll show you what's actually happening, instead of some bullshit about reptilians.
http://geofftop.com/VIDEOS_VIEW.php?VID_ID=337

But anyway guys, you are acting like paranoid Westerners who always assume the worst. Stop assuming the worst about everything. That is illogical. In reality, the worst rarely happens. Therefore, expecting it all the time is not logical. That is one of the fundamental flaws of the American mentality - seeing the worst in everything.

this is my favorite line. i know most people want the best for their son. but winston's logic is "the worst rarely happens" so why bother.
it's usually do as i say, not as i do, with you. but in this case it's what i say is even worse than what i do? (i'm hoping) otherwise he's better off being a feral child raised by wolves

[Winston]

LinuxOnly, F u. Who are you to tell me how to raise my kid? My friend John Benneth nearly got his ass kicked by his own friend in Virginia City when he commented on how that friend should raise his own daughter.

FYI, my son is well fed and happy and healthy. That's all that matters. Who are you to nitpick and make me out to be some terrible person when I'm not? f**k you dickhead!

Oh and regarding gays, you gotta give me some good reasons why homosexuality is learned behavior. Just because you are biased against gays is not proof that the behavior is learned. You gotta give some logical reasons that make sense. Don't you have any standards? Sheesh. What kind of a debater are you when you assert your biases as facts without reasons?

Oh and Truthville, you misunderstood something. When I say that my son has seen me masturbate, I meant UNDER bedsheets with my clothes on (like I have since I was , not naked with hand rubbing up and down your dick like other guys masturbate. I don't masturbate the same way as other guys do. I merely cup my hand and apply pressure while I'm doing it. So all my son sees when I do it is that I'm wiggling under the bedsheets.

And besides, I do not purposely masturbate in front of my son, you dickweed. I masturbate when I am alone in the room, but he often walks in and out of the bedroom and sees it. If I lock it, he will yell and scream. It's not like it always happens anyway. But when I'm horny or have a fantasy, I like to masturbate as a release and it's hard for me to wait hours later. There is not much privacy when he's around anyway, so I don't have much choice. It's inevitable for him to walk in sometimes. Does that satisfy your piece of shit judgmental head?

What's the big deal about that? Stop being a f***ing asshole about a little thing. Sheesh. What the f**k is your problem? f**k man!

You guys appear to have issues if you get warped out by this. My son is not experiencing sexual problems. He just throws temper tantrums and is beginning to know how to assert himself. So what? He is well fed, happy, and healthy. The only misery is in you guys' heads. So f**k you!

Look, I support my son and keep him fed and clothed. That's already great and other people say that that puts me above other guys. But according to you guys, despite all that, I'm suddenly "a bad horrible despicable father" simply cause my son walks in while I'm jerking off? Big f***ing deal! You guys are f***ing sick!

[swincor]

And besides, I do not purposely masturbate in front of my son, you dickweed. I masturbate when I am alone in the room, but he often walks in and out of the bedroom and sees it. If I lock it, he will yell and scream. It's not like it always happens anyway. But when I'm horny or have a fantasy, I like to masturbate as a release and it's hard for me to wait hours later.

Putting aside the weirdness of describing your technique, what are you even doing playing Choke the Chicken when you're smack in the middle of the sex Disneyland of the world? I would think you would just go the bars nearby. I mean, there are tons of girls there who are pretty much yours for the asking. That's why you went to the Philippines in the first place, isn't it?