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Re: College Degrees in the U.S. are Worthless

Post by Adama » March 15th, 2017, 10:23 pm

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jamesbond wrote:What are the benefits and risks of going to college in modern America? Have we actually reached the point where a college education is far more of a negative than a positive to graduates entering the job market?

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Going to college just guarantees student loan debt. It doesn't guarantee you a job or a career. It only really makes sense if you want to be a doctor or some other professional which requires such a degree.

Lots of people who've gone to college are in dire straits. I wouldn't believe every statistic posed to me. Everyone has an agenda, especially some who want to keep the system going, despite it's obviously breaking down in front of everyone's eyes. Remember feminists lie about statistics all the time. Anyone can when they have an agenda.

Besides that, most people don't want to believe the truth because their egos are involved in holding onto those lies.
Don't go to school for useless degrees, go to inexpensive state schools, problem solved.
Yes, most degrees are worthless. Thank you for saying that. Only a few types of degrees are worth something.

This is one of the only forms of debt that can't be discharged. They pumped up this "go to college to enter the middle/upper class" myth, and everyone bought it for generations. Then in the end, since they've been funneling everyone that way, they force schools to raise prices every year to be eligible for government benefits, and they remove the ability to discharge it as any other debt.

And for some fields, a bachelors is not enough. They want a masters. Then they raise the requirement to a PhD level. This has happened in such fields as PT and NP to PhD of nursing.

Also, not everyone is going to be a doctor of anything. Not everyone wants to become a civil engineer. The thing is, almost for any type of job, they're demanding a college degree, because they've turned it into the equivalent of a high school diploma.

Schools just churn out people with worthless degrees. It is a money making racket like any other. How could it not be? Avarice and an inordinate greedy desire for wealth has overcome this society.




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Re: College Degrees in the U.S. are Worthless

Post by retiredfrank » March 16th, 2017, 8:19 am

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retiredfrank wrote:If you are an exceptionally ambitious self-starter entrepreneur type, then college is a bad idea. Learn some blue-collar skills and start your own company, eventually employing a bunch of cheap immigrants to do the dirty work while you manage. For example, by the time HouseMD finishes residency, and long before he finishes paying off his student loans, you could be pulling in an MD's salary as owner of an HVAC company or similar that services hospital facilities. Indeed under good conditions, you could be retired and living happily abroad while Doc is still pulling residency night shifts. Obviously, this path is only for a few, but this is where the argument against college rings true.
96% of businesses fail within ten years in America. 99% of doctors are making 200k+ they're working full time. And I plan to employ numerous physician assistants, NPs, and therapists, so my income will likely be in the 7 figures in my 40s, a tough number to hit in any small business.
I would imagine 96% of kids aged 16 who look at the income potential of MDs and say to themselves "I think I'll become a doctor" never make it. I did write exceptional.

We all know doctors cash in big in their 40s and especially 50s, but some know at age 16 that they have to retire no later than 40 in order to stay sane and they know they have the exceptional entrepreneurial abilities required to get rich quick. For this small group, medicine is not the best option.

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Re: College Degrees in the U.S. are Worthless

Post by Kradmelder » March 16th, 2017, 9:42 am

retiredfrank wrote:
HouseMD wrote:
retiredfrank wrote:If you are an exceptionally ambitious self-starter entrepreneur type, then college is a bad idea. Learn some blue-collar skills and start your own company, eventually employing a bunch of cheap immigrants to do the dirty work while you manage. For example, by the time HouseMD finishes residency, and long before he finishes paying off his student loans, you could be pulling in an MD's salary as owner of an HVAC company or similar that services hospital facilities. Indeed under good conditions, you could be retired and living happily abroad while Doc is still pulling residency night shifts. Obviously, this path is only for a few, but this is where the argument against college rings true.
96% of businesses fail within ten years in America. 99% of doctors are making 200k+ they're working full time. And I plan to employ numerous physician assistants, NPs, and therapists, so my income will likely be in the 7 figures in my 40s, a tough number to hit in any small business.
I would imagine 96% of kids aged 16 who look at the income potential of MDs and say to themselves "I think I'll become a doctor" never make it. I did write exceptional.

We all know doctors cash in big in their 40s and especially 50s, but some know at age 16 that they have to retire no later than 40 in order to stay sane and they know they have the exceptional entrepreneurial abilities required to get rich quick. For this small group, medicine is not the best option.
I have been involved with a doctor for a few months. Does specialised surgery. They dont make as much as most people think. They do if their practice is very successful or if they are specialists. That is many more years of study after the first 7. .But a normal employed doctor does not. And their personal malpractice insurance with is like R250 k per year, each. Engineers we pay that for the firm not per person. The charge out rate of an engineer is about the same as a doctor, with less costs for insurance, equipment etc. So when compared to other registered professionals they don't earn all that much, especially considering the risks, responsibilities and long hours. But they enjoy their work. Yes compared to the average man on the street it is a very good salary and seems like a fortune, but not excessive compared to other registered professionals. As interns they earn little. They start making real money in their 40s if they are good. Like any other profession. They worked hard to get there, so why begrudge them the income they deserve for it? They also have to constantly keep abreast of the latest developments. Certainly they didn't sit on their arse and moan about how crappy their salary and life is because they didn't invest in themselves and skills. If people don't like it, they have a choice to not go to a doctor. Go to a quack herbalist or witch or whatever.

The Dept of labour statistics are averaged for ALL degrees, whether medical or liberal arts. Even if 80% of degrees are basket weaving, on average degreed people earn 4 times what those without HS earn. Unless you believe the US Dept of labour is filled with liars and is involved in a conspiracy. To me that means if your degree is arts you wage will be below the degreed average, If technical, far above. So the technical professions are probably 10x the average. I dont know about the USA and the income differences and wage gaps, but in SA mine would be at least 10x what an unskilled person earns, simply because skills are in short supply and unskilled uneducated labour is plentiful. I am sure a degreed professional in the USA is more than 5 times the average wage. A degreed liberal arts maybe twice???? Or maybe some are flipping burgers and earning minimum wage. But on average they do better. Stats are medians, averages and deciles, ja maybe 1% or so of uneducated people can make fortunes, but on average they do not and end up poor and oppressed. If they chose not to get a skill, well what did they expect? Money to just be given to them?

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Re: College Degrees in the U.S. are Worthless

Post by Cornfed » March 16th, 2017, 10:07 am

Kradmelder wrote:The Dept of labour statistics are averaged for ALL degrees, whether medical or liberal arts. Even if 80% of degrees are basket weaving, on average degreed people earn 4 times what those without HS earn. Unless you believe the US Dept of labour is filled with liars and is involved in a conspiracy. To me that means if your degree is arts you wage will be below the degreed average, If technical, far above. So the technical professions are probably 10x the average.
All I can say is that I have examined the situation where I am for years, and it is simply not true for here or most of the West. I don't want young men to make an even worse mistake than I did by getting a good technical education. Your SA advice is not helpful for young Western men and probably not helpful for young SA men.

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Re: College Degrees in the U.S. are Worthless

Post by yick » March 16th, 2017, 11:18 am

I am coming from a background of my early working life having no qualifications apart from basic trade qualifications picked up in the army.

Now in middle age - sitting on a BA and MA degree, never been unemployed or struggled to find work since then.

It's always better to take on education than to sit in ignorance and poverty. Academia isn't a cure all or a magic wand, once you have the qualifications, you still have to be proactive and prove yourself - you have to start at the bottom and take in shit money, sometimes work in places that make you shudder, sometimes you have to work 'pro bono' as long as you understand that then education isn't a 'waste of time' you have to work at what you have and make your way forward slowly.

The problem with trades is that you aren't a young, strong fit man all your life, by the time you reach 50 - you can't run up ladders or move bathrooms up and down stairs of terraced houses, plaster walls - plastering walls is hard going at 21 - at 50 - if you've been plastering for 30 years, you're are more or less physically f***ed. These are the things you have to think about when you choose your career - sure, you can bypass academia and take a trade - but you don't see many 60 year old brickies and plumbers.

The way forward in this day and age if you are capable and are that way inclined are languages, especially if you can learn Korean, Chinese, Arabic or Russian - there will never be enough English-Mandarin Chinese speakers at a very high level who are western. Of course, there are lots of Chinese people who can speak both English and Mandarin. This young lady saw a gap in the market in Korean-English translation and learned Korean off her own bat and now she is reaping in the rewards. (Cue Cornfed calling her a lesbian and a whore and taking a man's place, save it you mental midget... :roll:)

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But there is also the philisophical aspect of learning and gaining knowledge, you should want to acquire knowledge, you should want to be enlightened on a daily basis, you should want to learn more, expand your horizons.

You aren't hamstrung to colleges in the US, go to China, go to South Africa, go to anywhere in Western Europe, even the UK paying international fees is cheaper than America, if you want us to all agree on one thing and that's American graduate education is a rip off then I don't think anyone would disagree but remember one thing - there are millions sitting around the trailer bemoaning their sorry lot whilst drinking white cider and smoking weed, one more or yer aint going to make a damn bit of difference.

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Post by Cornfed » March 16th, 2017, 11:29 am

yick wrote:Academia isn't a cure all or a magic wand, once you have the qualifications, you still have to be proactive and prove yourself - you have to start at the bottom
This is obvious. The trouble is that there is generally no bottom to start at now. Teenaged boys might be reading this. You really should check out the situation before misleading them.

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Re: College Degrees in the U.S. are Worthless

Post by HouseMD » March 16th, 2017, 12:26 pm

retiredfrank wrote:
HouseMD wrote:
retiredfrank wrote:If you are an exceptionally ambitious self-starter entrepreneur type, then college is a bad idea. Learn some blue-collar skills and start your own company, eventually employing a bunch of cheap immigrants to do the dirty work while you manage. For example, by the time HouseMD finishes residency, and long before he finishes paying off his student loans, you could be pulling in an MD's salary as owner of an HVAC company or similar that services hospital facilities. Indeed under good conditions, you could be retired and living happily abroad while Doc is still pulling residency night shifts. Obviously, this path is only for a few, but this is where the argument against college rings true.
96% of businesses fail within ten years in America. 99% of doctors are making 200k+ they're working full time. And I plan to employ numerous physician assistants, NPs, and therapists, so my income will likely be in the 7 figures in my 40s, a tough number to hit in any small business.
I would imagine 96% of kids aged 16 who look at the income potential of MDs and say to themselves "I think I'll become a doctor" never make it. I did write exceptional.

We all know doctors cash in big in their 40s and especially 50s, but some know at age 16 that they have to retire no later than 40 in order to stay sane and they know they have the exceptional entrepreneurial abilities required to get rich quick. For this small group, medicine is not the best option.
Depends. If you go straight through, you can be board certified in IM or FM by 29. Even working employed jobs, you can clear 300k doing hospitalist work doing 7 on/7 off, and many of the places that pay that well also offer student loan repayment, and extra shifts at $160/hr. That gives you a minimum total income of $3.3m by 40. unless you can average well over 100k/year per year from 18-40, you can't beat that. And then, when you want to leave the US, getting a job overseas as a device rep, pharma researcher, CDC medical director, or whatever is easy, allowing you to pull high 5 and low 6 figure salaries while living in places like Vietnam or the PI.

But yeah, most people fail getting here. They're probably the same people that would fail starting their own business. Takes a lot of hard work, intelligence, determination, and creativity.

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Post by HouseMD » March 16th, 2017, 12:35 pm

Cornfed wrote:
yick wrote:Academia isn't a cure all or a magic wand, once you have the qualifications, you still have to be proactive and prove yourself - you have to start at the bottom
This is obvious. The trouble is that there is generally no bottom to start at now. Teenaged boys might be reading this. You really should check out the situation before misleading them.
Incorrect. My youngest sibling just secured a position in aerospace raking 80k as a fresh intern with no connections.

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Post by yick » March 16th, 2017, 12:44 pm

Cornfed wrote:
yick wrote:Academia isn't a cure all or a magic wand, once you have the qualifications, you still have to be proactive and prove yourself - you have to start at the bottom
This is obvious. The trouble is that there is generally no bottom to start at now. Teenaged boys might be reading this. You really should check out the situation before misleading them.
Nonsense!

Teenaged boys might be reading your shite, mind you, they'll have your measure for sure.

What's your degree in cornfed? What has stopped you getting ahead over there in New Zeelund... :lol:

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HouseMD wrote:
Cornfed wrote:
yick wrote:Academia isn't a cure all or a magic wand, once you have the qualifications, you still have to be proactive and prove yourself - you have to start at the bottom
This is obvious. The trouble is that there is generally no bottom to start at now. Teenaged boys might be reading this. You really should check out the situation before misleading them.
Incorrect. My youngest sibling just secured a position in aerospace raking 80k as a fresh intern with no connections.
Congrats to your sibling. Made a good choice and worked at his career instead of whining. Good move.

Young engineers starting with us are offered jobs while still in university. They start off at 3 times the pay people with no degree have.

The whining about education is people who chose not to get one, now are bitter and stuck in low pay jobs, if they work at all, or those that don't have the discipline or work ethic to get an education. they prefer to sit back and blame jews, conspiracies, economic collapse or whatever. The only only they see is their own future because of their choices. Yes they are right. Society is collapsing: their society as unqualified unemployable lay abouts.

So if you are a young white teenager and read this. affirmative action and mechanisation will eliminate you from a future unless you start working on a skill and strive to be good at it. You can work towards that, or sit back with no proper income and blame jews or space aliens. The choice is yours.

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Post by Kradmelder » March 16th, 2017, 12:49 pm

yick wrote:
Cornfed wrote:
yick wrote:Academia isn't a cure all or a magic wand, once you have the qualifications, you still have to be proactive and prove yourself - you have to start at the bottom
This is obvious. The trouble is that there is generally no bottom to start at now. Teenaged boys might be reading this. You really should check out the situation before misleading them.
Nonsense!

Teenaged boys might be reading your shite, mind you, they'll have your measure for sure.

What's your degree in cornfed? What has stopped you getting ahead over there in New Zeelund... :lol:
Jews holding a gun to his head, women taking his job, daily 0800 meetings between jews, women, feminists, aliens, educated whites, all sitting together and plotting how to keep white men like him down and women away. He is the victim you know. He didnt do anything wrong and is so wise he has all the answers for success and happiness, cant you tell? So it must be the fault of all the conspiracies.

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Post by HouseMD » March 16th, 2017, 12:57 pm

Kradmelder wrote:
yick wrote:
Cornfed wrote:
yick wrote:Academia isn't a cure all or a magic wand, once you have the qualifications, you still have to be proactive and prove yourself - you have to start at the bottom
This is obvious. The trouble is that there is generally no bottom to start at now. Teenaged boys might be reading this. You really should check out the situation before misleading them.
Nonsense!

Teenaged boys might be reading your shite, mind you, they'll have your measure for sure.

What's your degree in cornfed? What has stopped you getting ahead over there in New Zeelund... :lol:
Jews holding a gun to his head, women taking his job, daily 0800 meetings between jews, women, feminists, aliens, educated whites, all sitting together and plotting how to keep white men like him down and women away. He is the victim you know. He didnt do anything wrong and is so wise he has all the answers for success and happiness, cant you tell? So it must be the fault of all the conspiracies.
He just dreams of the days when merely being a working white man was enough to get everything he wanted, despite the fact that those days never really existed. It is quite amusing that he hates feminists so much, given that he has so much in common with them (entitlement, victim complex).

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Post by Cornfed » March 16th, 2017, 12:57 pm

So if we can point to people who have won the lottery, that must mean that spending all your money on lottery tickets is good? But the majority of people with technical quals not getting careers? They are just not good enough right? But isn't that by definition what their technical quals are supposed to guarantee - that they are good enough.You people really should be ashamed of yourselves for being bitches of the Jews etc. and deluding young men instead of trying to build a system that helps them.

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Post by HouseMD » March 16th, 2017, 12:59 pm

Cornfed wrote:So if we can point to people who have won the lottery, that must mean that spending all your money on lottery tickets is good? But the majority of people with technical quals not getting careers? They are just not good enough right? But isn't that by definition what their technical quals are supposed to guarantee - that they are good enough.You people really should be ashamed of yourselves for being bitches of the Jews etc. and deluding young men instead of trying to build a system that helps them.
I don't know a single unemployed engineer. Not one. Not of any age.

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Post by Kradmelder » March 16th, 2017, 1:02 pm

The unemployment rate of people with technical qualifications is far lower than those with no qualifications. The number of white men with skills and qualifications is very small. So who excatly are these hordes of white men with qualifications who can't make careers? Maybe those that except $1 million per year starting, or don't want to work past for, or not travel?

The white wen i know AAed out of a job and who cant find one all have no qualifications. Wow, what a wise choice they made when young.

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